Henry Kissinger: China Won't Be Next Superpower

Henry Kissinger

First Posted: 06/18/11 12:58 PM ET Updated: 08/18/11 06:12 AM ET

THE CANADIAN PRESS -- Though rapidly gaining influence on the world stage, China will be far too preoccupied with "enormous problems internally" in the coming years to become a so-called superpower, former U.S. secretary of state Henry Kissinger said in his first public debate.

"I believe the next decade will see China wrestling with the problem of how to bring its political institutions in line with its economic development," he said Friday evening in a sold-out debate in Toronto.

"I doubt that a country that will be so preoccupied with this fundamental change will also have time to concentrate on dominating the world."

China's economic, political and geopolitical power were at the heart of the two-hour debate that saw Kissinger and Time magazine's editor-at-large Fareed Zakaria team up to contest the proposition that China could become the No. 1 country in the world.

They faced off against historian and author Niall Ferguson and David Li of the Tsinghua University School of Economics and Management in Beijing, who argued the country will grow more assertive as its economy continues to flourish.

In a spirited and teasing debate — one that often saw the debaters pulling quotes from their opponents' books — the four set out to answer the question: Will the 21st century belong to China?

Preliminary results posted on the Munk Debates website from an audience poll showed Kissinger and Zakaria won, with 62% of those who turned in their ballots at the end of the night saying they supported the con side and 38% siding with Ferguson and Li.

A similar poll before the debate put the audience of 2,700 at 40% con, 39% pro and 21% undecided, suggesting Kissinger and Zakaria managed to sway nearly a quarter of the audience.

Kissinger, a Nobel Peace Prize winner who helped orchestrate the forging of relations between the U.S. and China in the 1970s, said the real challenge will be for the two countries to adjust to a new world order in which neither fully has the upper hand.

"We have to understand that China will get stronger," and must stop interpreting its every move as an act of aggression, he said.
"But China has to learn some self-limitation in the way it vindicates its interests around the world" or risk alienating — or worse, provoking — other governments, he added.

However, Ferguson, who is currently writing a biography of Kissinger, said the West is no longer in a position to put pressure on China since it relies so heavily on Chinese investments to bolster its flagging economy.

"First comes economic power, then geopolitical power," he said.

The country won't be held back by internal struggles with environmental issues, a growing income divide as well as social and political unrest, Ferguson said, dismissing his opponents' main argument.

"It is precisely when nations are struggling with problems of internal political reform and challenges from below that they are most likely to pursue a more assertive and aggressive foreign policy," he said.

"That is one reason why I think it is precisely at this time of political stress that we are likely to see a more nationalistic and more assertive China."

The host of CNN's foreign affairs program "Fareed Zakaria GPS" said China's staggering growth isn't sustainable and will likely peter out in the coming decades.

"Nothing goes up in a straight line forever," Zakaria said in his opening statement.

Japan was once predicted to become the next global superpower, but never lived up to the expectations, he said, adding China will likely follow the same pattern.

But Li countered that his homeland's eagerness for change, largely powered by youth increasingly exposed to foreign ideas and experiences, will continue to propel it forward.

"We still have gas in our gas tank," he quipped in his closing arguments.

The discussion drew a number of questions from notable members of the audience, including former U.S. secretary of defense William Cohen, who served under then-president Bill Clinton.

The Munk debates take place twice a year in Toronto. The events bring together some of the world's foremost policy-makers and commentators to discuss current and often controversial global issues.

Past debates have focused on the value of religion and the safety of the world under a Republican U.S. president.

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LeaderofMen
Bilingual former US Marine.
11:33 AM on 06/25/2011
Superpowers end up exporting their language, too.

Chinese will NOT be a language of the majority of the population of the planet. The non-Asian world is not going to stand for replacing their alphabets with Kanjis.
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jdbond
08:20 AM on 06/20/2011
Interesting..debate.
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wernerholm
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04:24 PM on 06/19/2011
"China won't be next superpower"

Why? Planning to have a war with them? Or just release the superbug?
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LawTalkingGuy
Rational human male.
01:04 PM on 06/19/2011
Have to say that Kissinger is right.

China needs to move about 500 million people from subsistence poverty to working class financial independence. This is a task that will take at least a generation. While they may rattle more sabres in the South China Sea, there is simply no way they can compete militarily or economically with the US until that transformation is complete.
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Adrian31
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12:21 PM on 06/19/2011
"The country won't be held back by internal struggles with environmental issues, a growing income divide as well as social and political unrest, Ferguson said, dismissing his opponents' main argument."

Really? I believe there are a number of countries at the moment being "held back by internal struggles...social and political unrest". Either I've been reading fictional news (and that's not the case) or China plans on cracking down Syrian-style on those who oppose their will.
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CarlyQ
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11:52 AM on 06/19/2011
I think it's wishful thinking on Kissinger's part. China is already well on it's way to being a superpower and has done a very good job of adapting to the rapid economic and global changes over the past thirty years.

Then again, that's the Chinese hallmark, isn't it: adaptation. An amazing people, really.
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Adrian31
60% of the time, it works everytime...
12:24 PM on 06/19/2011
I thought their hallmark was espionnage? Haha! I, too, believe it's wishful thinking.
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jdbond
08:19 AM on 06/20/2011
Well they surely can copy, many times illegally.
10:56 AM on 06/19/2011
Ole Kiss has one foot down under so spare me his imperialistic guff.
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Dr JAY Veeoh
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06:32 AM on 06/19/2011
Old Henry is a war criminal and ought to be prosecuted in The Hague.
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wernerholm
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04:22 PM on 06/19/2011
or Gitmo!
05:57 AM on 06/19/2011
Have not all great empires fallen since the beginning of time, foretold, written and in history books?
01:58 AM on 06/19/2011
Come on people. I am no fan of Kissinger and I am not going to ask you to support him but this debate was highly educational.
This is exactly the type of arrogance and ignorance that is going to destroy the west. Listen first and then deduce a reasonable argument. Even a clock is right at least twice in the day.
Seriously I usually complain of conservatives being ignorant but more and more liberals are catching up because they feel like they know everything. Learn humility and stay classy. Always know there is a learning opportunity in every moment. Be more objective. Huffingtonpost is fast catching up to fox news with its over hyped headlines and its shallow comments
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canuckhoser
Don't mind the man behind the curtain
11:12 AM on 06/19/2011
This is an interesting post. You take a swipe at "liberals" and HP for what exactly again? Not taking the opinion seriously of a fake intellectual who stands in the company of some the most blood thirsty tyrants in history...and you want objectivity and for us to be "educated" by this traitor to humanity...?

pffft
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LawTalkingGuy
Rational human male.
01:00 PM on 06/19/2011
"Seriously I usually complain of conservati­ves being ignorant but more and more liberals are catching up because they feel like they know everything­."

Seriously, what are you talking about? When you tar a group of people as "liberals" as if that defines them (and defines them negatively) you're not adding anything to the debate, either the debate on China OR the debate about conservativism.
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frameofmind
12:35 AM on 06/19/2011
Shouldn't this guy be in jail for war crimes or something.
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wernerholm
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04:23 PM on 06/19/2011
or at least have advanced sylphis?
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
09:07 PM on 06/18/2011
I remember reading the book "Sideshow: Kissinger, Nixon and the Destruction of Cambodia". Those two orchestrated the destruction of a country whose greatest crime was to be small and weak. US military action against Cambodia acted as a powerful force of genesis for the Khmer Rouge, bringing on the holocaust for Cambodia graphically portrayed in the movie "The Killing Fields".

He may be right about China or he may be wrong. He will never live down his vile legacy or atone for the millions of lives squandered as a result of his foreign policy 'brilliance'.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
08:56 PM on 06/18/2011
Whoever controls the dough will be the Superpower and the U.S. is on the verge of losing control.
07:15 PM on 06/18/2011
Excellent!
06:48 PM on 06/18/2011
"Japan was once predicted to become the next global superpower, but never lived up to the expectations, he said, adding China will likely follow the same pattern."

That statement is incorrect. Japan has all the capability to become a superpower, but they don't want to. I believe it's in their constitution.
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LawTalkingGuy
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01:01 PM on 06/19/2011
I don't think you understand Japan or its constitution.

That said, the two countries are as different as chalk and cheese, and the comparison is silly in the first place.