Elections And The Premiers: Why Dalton McGuinty Is Worse Off Now Than Four Years Ago

Mcguinty Selinger

The Huffington Post Canada   First Posted: 07/08/11 09:16 AM ET Updated: 09/07/11 06:12 AM ET

Ontario and Manitoba are setting up for some closely contested elections in October.

But the last elections in the two provinces in 2007 were also supposed to go down to the wire, and in the end the incumbent governments beat their rivals by 10 points. Will the same thing happen in the fall?

Four months prior to the October 2007 election in Ontario, two polls by Ipsos-Reid and Environics indicated a neck-and-neck race between the Liberals and the Progressive Conservatives, with about 40 per cent of Ontarians intending to vote for the governing Liberals and about 38 per cent expecting to vote for John Tory's PCs.

But on election night, the Liberals bumped up their support to 42 per cent while that of the Progressive Conservatives tanked to only 32 per cent. Part of that swing was attributed to Tory's disastrous campaign pledge to extend public funding to faith-based schools, a promise he had to back away from amid widespread opposition.

This election may be different. In order for Dalton McGuinty to win his third election, he will need an even more dramatic shift in support during the campaign.

The last polls by Forum Research and Ipsos-Reid put the PCs in the lead with about 41 per cent, well ahead of the Liberals at 30 per cent and the NDP at 21 per cent. If the same kind of change in voting intentions occurs over the summer as it did in 2007, the Liberals will have an outside chance of pulling off a victory.

The situation in Manitoba, however, is far rosier for the incumbent. In March 2007, two months before the May election, the PCs and the governing New Democrats were tied at 40 per cent apiece in a Probe Research poll. But during the campaign, the NDP roared ahead to finish with 48 per cent support, outpacing the Progressive Conservatives by 10 points.

The most recent poll paints a similar picture: the NDP and PCs are tied at 44 per cent, with the Liberals at only nine per cent. Premier Greg Selinger is in the same position that his predecessor, Gary Doer, was four years ago. If the cards fall this year as they did then, Selinger should be able to win his first election as NDP leader.

Saskatchewan, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador are also having elections in the fall, but their outcomes are not in doubt.

In Saskatchewan, Premier Brad Wall is expected to win in a landslide. The latest poll from the province, conducted back in November, put his Saskatchewan Party at 57 per cent support, with the NDP at 29 per cent.

A poll taken in October 2006, one year before the last election, but the Saskatchewan Party ahead of the NDP by 44 per cent to 31 per cent. On election night in 2007, Wall's party took 51 per cent of the vote and the NDP 37 per cent, the provincial Liberals falling by the wayside. If a similar shift takes place this November, Wall could virtually sweep the province.

In Newfoundland & Labrador, polls taken five months before the October 2007 election were little different from the results of the vote, boding well for Kathy Dunderdale's Progressive Conservatives who held a 35-point lead in the last poll in the province.

In P.E.I., however, Robert Ghiz's Liberals were trailing in a poll taken three months before the May 2007 election, in which he trounced the Progressive Conservatives by 12 points. As the last poll put his party ahead of the PCs by 16 points, his re-election is a safe bet.

Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls and electoral projections.

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Ontario and Manitoba are setting up for some closely contested elections in October. But the last elections in the two provinces in 2007 were also supposed to go down to the wire, and in the end th...
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haselcheck
Had enuff...Get active....
01:27 PM on 07/10/2011
McGuinty doesn't care about the Health of Ontario Citizens.....They moved to introduce toxic CFL bulbs too fast....when they should have been banned....

Dr. Magda Havas, Associate Professor,
Environmental & Resource Studies, Trent University
Peterborough, ON, Canada, K9J 7B8

The word about CFLs is finally getting out.


There should be an enquiry about how governments around the world allowed the lighting industry to get them to insist their citizens use only CFL (since LEDs are still too expensive) light bulbs.

Governments didn’t do their homework on these lights. They should be banned rather than promoted.


http://www.cflimpact.com/?p=541
10:41 AM on 07/10/2011
hazelcheck, two below par ,thomas jefferson----

when they stand around together its called a dope ring
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01:23 PM on 07/10/2011
Is this supposed to show your wit ? -----------------> FAIL !!!!
05:44 PM on 07/09/2011
@Tomas Jefferson

What do you mean immigrants are social conservatives? I am a first generation immigrant and I am extremely liberal on all social issues. I do not know of any immigrant who is a social conservative and I live in a very diverse part of Toronto.
10:49 AM on 07/09/2011
Reading the comments section on this site was always one of the things I looked forward to most when reading an article. Tomas Jefferson has somehow managed to milk most of that enjoyment away. I don't mind people posting a differing opinion, but someone badgering each persons individual comment wastes my time reading it, and degrades the thread of ideas that I usually look to find in the comment section. Not to mention it shows that he has way to much time on his hands.
BritishColumbian
American/Canadian liberal
02:44 PM on 07/10/2011
Fan'd and Fav'd.
09:58 AM on 07/09/2011
I want Dalton McGuinty to be in jail.

How can WE THE PEOPLE get the Police to investigate E-Health? A thousand million given to who? Who got that hard earned taxpayers dollars for nothing?

How do we do it as a people?
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09:08 AM on 07/09/2011
Support the Ontario Liberals "War Against Affordable Energy".....
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
06:38 AM on 07/09/2011
Over 200 broken promises and lies. BILLION DOLLARS ehealth lost. HST. Hello
02:46 AM on 07/09/2011
Funding for faith based schooling can save money.

E.G. a student costs $8K per student, give a voucher for $4K, province saves $4K per student, better education, some competition and everyone is better off.
02:41 AM on 07/09/2011
Title should be
Why is Ontario Is Worse Off Now Than Four Years Ago
08:44 PM on 07/08/2011
thomaas jefferson-------plumber says he goes to tea party meetings ---------need to know any more???
08:16 AM on 07/09/2011
"thomaas jefferson-­------plum­ber says he goes to tea party meetings ---------n­eed to know any more??? "

I certainly don't.
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09:10 AM on 07/09/2011
Northstar -11 you know nothing !
10:57 AM on 07/09/2011
any time you want to match wits let me know ---

but it would not be a fair fight------ you are unarmed
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The Right Is So Wrong
07:47 PM on 07/08/2011
it's going to be horrific having Ford as Mayor of Toronto, Harper as Prime Minister and Hudak as Premier of Ontario but McGinty has got to go.
sometimes i think that 'one man, one vote' ain't all it's cracked up to be.
09:06 AM on 07/09/2011
"it's going to be horrific having Ford as Mayor of Toronto, Harper as Prime Minister and Hudak as Premier of Ontario"

Heroin, Cocaine, Methamphetamine.

Layton, Horvath and some NDP mayor would be better?

ALL YOU WATER CARRIERS NEED TO START THINKING FOR YOURSELVES.

The political parties are using YOU as "cheerleaders". That's all your good for.

Behind closed doors, Harper and Layton attend the rub and tugs together.
07:39 PM on 07/08/2011
Why does Ontario continue to discriminate by funding Catholic schools? A travesty.
09:09 AM on 07/09/2011
"Why does Ontario continue to discrimina­te by funding Catholic schools? A travesty."

GOOD CALL.

But why does the Federal Government continued to DISCRIMINATE by only funding a leftist CBC?

Same thing,no?
07:14 PM on 07/08/2011
Tim Hudak is Michelle Bachmann in a dress
09:10 AM on 07/09/2011
"Tim Hudak is Michelle Bachmann in a dress "

Jack Layton is like Larry Craig in a men's washroom.
02:48 PM on 07/08/2011
the alternative to mcguinty is CHAIN GANG HUDAK ------

kill the green energy act HUDAK

if those are examples of the wisdom he will bring to ontario -------he is sorely lacking

the question is will ontario buy the penny wise--dollar foolish conservative program
mike harris ----edsel ford-------- and now tim whodat ---not to mention 2 billion dollar harper and alberta tories ------oil rich deep in debt
03:25 PM on 07/08/2011
"kill the green energy act HUDAK"

What does the green Energy Act do for the average Ontario citizen, like myself.

We know how the fat contracts and criminal behavior benefits McGuinty and his friends, but tell me how I and the rest of us cattle benefit.
04:00 PM on 07/08/2011
yeah we've seen how much Stephen Harper (federal) and Rob Ford (municipal) care for the average citizen... not!

at least with liberals in the mix there will be some balance to the neocon machine...
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08:41 AM on 07/09/2011
Here's how Ontario benefits from the Fake Green Energy Act....or as we like to call it..."The Ontario Liberals War Against Affordable Energy"....

TORONTO - Subsidies mean every job created under the Liberals’ Green Energy Act will cost $179,000, forcing every Ontario household to pony up an additional $310 a year in electricity costs, the C.D Howe Institute says.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/31/green-energy-to-cost-310-more-per-house-report
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04:51 PM on 07/08/2011
Way to go "Chain gangs" for criminals, we can start with the politicos and I've forgot, how much debt is Ontario in? You have to admit Mcguinty is one hell of a politician, Lies through his teeth, every idea costs tax payers more and 9 times out 10 don't even work and the cost of living has gone through the roof and hears the kicker he got in twice.....all with a grin on his face. Do you think my boss would renew my contract if I did the same? I would never make a good politician. My problem is I'm not a good liar........perhaps if I smile!!!!!
05:07 PM on 07/08/2011
"Way to go "Chain gangs" for criminals, we can start with the politicos and I've forgot, how much debt is Ontario in?"

I'll keep em in line with my AR-14.

I'm telling you. If we had the American Justice System looking at the politicians in Canada, they would all be locked up for corruption and taking bribes. Every one.
02:20 PM on 07/08/2011
I suspect you could have answered the question in the headline in a single sentence: "He's worse off now than before because he is still Dalton McGuinty." But in longer form...oh, never mind, he IS still Dalton McGuinty. He never was any good.
02:27 PM on 07/08/2011
"I suspect you could have answered the question in the headline in a single sentence: "He's worse off now than before because he is still Dalton McGuinty." But in longer form...oh, never mind, he IS still Dalton McGuinty. He never was any good. "

LET THE AMERICAN JUSTICE DEPARTMENT GO THROUGH HIS FILES AND RECORDS.

HE WOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR LIFE.

HE IS A COMMON CRIMINAL.
04:03 PM on 07/08/2011
tomasjefferson > libertarian > american > tea party sockpuppet?