If Ottawa Scraps Long-Gun Registry, Quebec May Create Its Own

First Posted: 07/10/11 05:12 PM ET Updated: 09/09/11 06:12 AM ET

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THE CANADIAN PRESS -- QUEBEC - Quebec is considering the idea of having its own long-gun registry if the federal government scraps the current version.

Public Security Minister Robert Dutil told The Canadian Press that civil servants are considering a so-called "plan B" -- a provincial registry -- if the Conservatives deliver on their promise to ditch the federal one.

"Certainly the people in the department have been told to look at all possibilities and to see how we could react to any number of circumstances," Dutil said in an interview.

But the priority remains convincing the Tories that the registry should be kept alive, Dutil said. Keeping the pressure on Ottawa is a task that lies with Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Pierre Moreau.

The federal government reiterated in its throne speech last month that it wants to kill the 16-year-old registry.

"For the moment, there is still a (federal) law, no bill has been tabled, so we haven't seen the contents," Dutil said. "But we think we have good arguments for keeping the long-gun registry."

The Quebec government has long supported the registry. During the 2008 federal election campaign, Premier Jean Charest urged the parties to maintain it and reinforce gun-control regulations.

Quebecers have been solidly behind the registry, which was introduced by the federal Liberals in 1995. Dutil said the Quebec government's position hasn't changed.

But what has changed is the balance of power in Ottawa.

Last September, with a Conservative minority government in power, MPs voted 153 to 151 against a private member's bill aimed at axing the registry.

A Conservative majority would have no problem eliminating it.

"It's a big change and we have to be realistic and consider this possibility," Dutil said.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper said during the recent federal election campaign that the money spent to keep the registry running is unjustified and that it punishes law-abiding gun owners.

The Conservatives argue the database carries incomplete and unreliable information.

But supporters counter that it is an essential tool for law enforcement and contend that it saves lives.

Dutil said several questions must be considered: Does the registry have a positive effect on reducing crime? Reducing suicides? Do police use the registry? Is the registry used in solving a wide range of crimes?

"The answers are yes,'' he said.

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Cameron Hodge
"Liberal Elitist" ;)
07:18 PM on 07/13/2011
I'm still baffled that the Conservatives think we would all be better off if James Rozsko's accomplices had never been brought to justice.

If they really wanted to save us money and stop crime, they wouldn't be doing their best to copy every facet of the woefully failed system employed by our neighbors to the south.

But what's reality and common sense when you have sanctimonious rural voters to pander to?
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Steve Karmazenuk
Author, Freelance Journalist, Curmudgeon
01:45 PM on 07/11/2011
Quebec creating another going-it-alone bureaucracy to further complicate the lives of its citizens and suckle even more Federal transfer payments out of the Canadian teat?

Unfathomable!
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AC Fraser
bend before you break
01:00 PM on 07/11/2011
Relax all you non-Cons. Rifles and shotguns can only kill deer - not people!
12:37 PM on 07/11/2011
Registering guns makes sense; the chiefs of police agree, the majority of the population also agrees, only the Harper gang disagrees.
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dread
01:12 PM on 07/11/2011
Actually the majority of Canadians DO NOT agree with spending billions of dollars to register hunting rifles.
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canuckhoser
Don't mind the man behind the curtain
07:38 PM on 07/12/2011
Actually get your facts right...It's not "billions" and even the MOST conservative estimates reach under 1 billion while collecting well over 100m in service fees...and what were the cost overruns...cons and gun freaks freaking out suing the government....administrative costs the DOJ had no experience or man power to handle...public complains about government spending while costing the government millions...the irony is RICH

And yet, it provides a federal service to our men in uniform. Allowing them to have the complete picture on approaching a house or person who has a registered firearm...and when it comes to their safety, this is priceless.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
08:58 AM on 07/11/2011
Everything is about Quebec.
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
02:47 AM on 07/11/2011
Quebec is kicking some serious @ss this year!
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Ascoli
05:58 AM on 07/11/2011
Good for them.
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
12:10 PM on 07/11/2011
Agreed.
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Steve Karmazenuk
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01:46 PM on 07/11/2011
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12:41 AM on 07/11/2011
Quebec passing an opportunity to grab another Tax and to create another bureaucracy to waste it never!
Rantibus
Cogito, Ergo Rant
11:27 PM on 07/10/2011
I think we need to understand that the long gun registry is simply a tax grab. The shibboleth that the police access the registry 78,000 times a year is due to the fact that every time a cop accesses his vehicle's computer for anything, the gun registry automatically comes up. The last gun bill is also antithetical to the Bill of Rights and Freedoms as it is the first time in the history of Common Law since the Interregnum under Cromwell that officers of the court have the right to enter your house without a warrant for the sole reason that you have a license to purchase a firearm, even if you don't own one.
This is an absurd law that does nothing to reduce crime. Yet it spends money that could be used to do just that.
10:07 PM on 07/10/2011
Every Province registers their autos separately, so why not their rifles.
10:04 PM on 07/10/2011
Will be interesting, anyone with a brain, knows its a waste of money and useless. This will fragment Quebec even more, Quebec farmers are a very strong lobby group and DO NOT SUPPORT the gun registry.
When will we hear where the NDP stand? We wont, as some do and some dont, they have campaigned on both yes and no
09:19 PM on 07/10/2011
Quebec was fine when the Liberal Party they controlled, was The majority Government in Canada. They had no problem accepting the laws they passed. Such as the NEP(National Energy Program)which demanded that we sell our oil to them,way below the going price; because they were Canadians with no oil; so they should not have to pay what other nations were paying for it'
But now that we have a truly Canadian Government, that represents Canada as a WHOLE;;and they find it impossible to accept any law passed by the Democratically, elected, majority government of Canada

Please do the ROC(rest of Canada) a favor and leave . We will gladlly forgive the hundreds of billions of dollars you stold from Western Canada !
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tnanimation
10:17 PM on 07/10/2011
As a twenty year resident of BC (came from Ontario) I have had to listen to this repugnant anti-Quebec vitriol from so many BC/Alberta types. This is exactly what a Harper/Alberta style government breeds and promotes. Everything from wanting Quebec to separate to the insane notion of 'Cascadia' is repeated again and again. When asked, most westerners I've spoken to about this reveal that they have never been west of Saskatchewan, let alone visited Ontario or Quebec. The level of ignorance about their own country is truly astounding.
Your assertion about 'a truly Canadian' government I find laughable. The Harper/Alberta federal government exists by keeping Canadians divide during a time of political upheaval. As with most political cycles, this too will fall by the wayside, and Mr. Harper will share the same respect afforded to another former PM who counted on the narrow minded political system prevalent in Alberta; Brian Mulroney. True, all you cowboys will have your day in the sun, and we must endure this for now. Rest assured, Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes will soon come around once Harper's true agenda is revealed.
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
02:49 AM on 07/11/2011
I'd rather have Western Canada leave than Quebec.
Love, a proud Ontarian.
07:40 PM on 07/11/2011
Yeah; and who will you get to bail-out your auto industry; next time -CHINA ? How about France? No, Europe doesn't have any money left either. I guess that only leaves the good old United States. But wait; don't you hate them also ?
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tokenblackman
09:13 PM on 07/10/2011
Thank you Quebec for being the only sensible province left!
09:40 PM on 07/10/2011
Why is it only the mental patient who thinks all the doctor's are insane ?
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tnanimation
10:18 PM on 07/10/2011
Why do those who truly have no idea what they are talking about always resort to name calling?
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tokenblackman
10:34 PM on 07/10/2011
Thanks for the flacid attempt at a put down but right at the end of the article where Dutil said

"several questions must be considered: Does the registry have a positive effect on reducing crime? Reducing suicides? Do police use the registry? Is the registry used in solving a wide range of crimes?

"The answers are yes,'' he said."

That pretty much clears it up for me. You can come up with or latch on to whatever reason or feeling that you want to justify your comment but the fact remains...

Does the registry have a positive effect on reducing crime? Reducing suicides? Do police use the registry? Is the registry used in solving a wide range of crimes?

"The answers are yes,'' he said."
09:07 PM on 07/10/2011
Let Quebec do what ever they want, but make sure the Federal Tax Payers aren't paying for the cost of it. Make sure the people of Quebec pay for it.

The registry doesn't prevent crime what so ever.

The registry does not save lives either.

The registry is a total waste of Canadian tax payers money.

All the registry does is collect information on farmers, hunters, target shooters and gun collectors.

It DOES NOT collect information on the criminals with the illegal handguns, which are brought in from the US everyday and never get registered.
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tnanimation
10:19 PM on 07/10/2011
And you got this information where? SunTV
10:47 PM on 07/10/2011
It's common knowledge. Handgun info is not stored on the long gun registry. Its for hunting weapons. How often are homicides committed with hunting weapons. not often. they are committed mainly with illegally imported weapons. These illegal weapons are not registered.
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
02:50 AM on 07/11/2011
To be fair, nobody watches Sun TV.
08:36 PM on 07/10/2011
The Gun registry is such a waste of money.

You need a FAC to legally get a gun in the first place.

All the cop needs to know is if you own guns legally or not.

What kind doesn't matter ?

They have the information from the FAC program.

And we already have a program for collectors of guns with heavy duty fire power (maybe WW2) that require a special permit.

Be efficient about it, the information is already there.

The Gun Registry is just another tax on The Peoples freedom.

Most right wing Gun Owners support and respect the Police anyway.
08:16 PM on 07/10/2011
"I would like to reiterate to people that 9/10 gun crimes are committed with handguns which are not legal in Canada under any circumstan­ces."

Handguns are allowed in Ontario for target practice.
10:11 PM on 07/10/2011
Isnt that curious. The last 10 RCMP officers killed by violence (ie not an accident) in the line of duty were shot with long-guns. I guess then, they must be exceptionally unlucky if so many actual CRIMINALS use handguns And yet, if so many criminals have hand guns, and law abiding citizens have long-guns, why are Const. Allen Giesbrecht, RCMP Const. Jurgen Seewald ,Const. Dennis Strongquill, Peter Schiemann, Anthony Gordon, Lionide Johnston, Brock Myrol, Const. Robin Cameron, and Const. Marc Bourdage, Douglas Scott, and Const. Vu Pham dead by long-gun?
12:59 AM on 07/11/2011
canfemlib - you really shouldn't bring up facts. Facts are just annoying.