Canada's F-35 Purchase: Are We Buying Jets That Can't Fly?

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The Huffington Post Canada   First Posted: 08/05/11 11:26 AM ET Updated: 01/20/12 02:18 PM ET

It seems that the F-35, the fighter jets that Canada is planning on buying to replace our aging F-18s, are running into more trouble.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that the plane's power systems are failing in ground tests forcing the entire fleet to be grounded. The story also points out that the planes have had two other serious delays in the last year.

In 2010, the government announced that it would be buying about 65 planes at a cost of about $9-billion. The cost could rise to $18-billion once a maintenance contract was included. But earlier this year, the parliamentary budget officer estimated that the cost of the planes would likely be much higher, closer to $30-billion. Canada's purchase of the F-35 became a major issue in the last federal election, with then-Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff vowing to scrap the deal and hold a competition.

Critics have condemned the Canadian government for rushing into a contract for the jets without knowing the final cost.

"Like your [the Canadian] government's proposed purchase of F-35s before all testing is complete and all costs are known, the United States has been rushing to "buy" before we "fly" for decades. It has been a disaster." wrote Winslow T. Wheeler in Embassy magazine.

In the U.S. the plane's skyrocketing costs, estimates say it'll cost the U.S. government around $1-trillion or comparable to the annual GDP of Australia, have made the plane controversial. The plane was also touted as a one-size-fits-all replacement for the Army, Navy and Marines. In the end, it may have just doomed the plane to cost-overruns and reduced its performance.

"The F-35's critics have long argued that its performance is compromised by having to fulfil too many roles and that an over-complicated design lashed to an over-optimistic schedule was asking for trouble. In the past 18 months, as delays have mounted and costs escalated, even some of the plane's ardent fans have become alarmed," the Economist wrote.

In May, the Atlantic wrote about how engineers scrambled to develop a second alternate engine for the plane, a move that could actually cost more money in the long run.

"What's remarkable about this is that the Pentagon doesn't event want a second engine, having already contracted one from Pratt & Whitney. In 2006, the Pentagon decided to stop funding the development of the second engine for the aircraft, citing a spiraling price tag. For the next five years Congress overrode the DOD's wishes and spent billions of dollars on this extra engine anyway," Joshua Foust and August Cole wrote on the magazine's website.

There's also some question as to whether the planes are even necessary. Whether it's worth the expense to build an expensive stealth-fighter when the days of the Cold War are long gone and threats like terrorism, piracy and failed states are more common.

"The world has changed. The odds of great power war have declined dramatically. We still need a deterrent capacity against China and Russia, but how much is enough? In a decade's time, the United States plans to have 15 times as many modern fighters as China, and 20 times as many as Russia," writes the Atlantic's Dominic Tierney.

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It seems that the F-35, the fighter jets that Canada is planning on buying to replace our aging F-18s, are running into more trouble. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that the plane's power sy...
It seems that the F-35, the fighter jets that Canada is planning on buying to replace our aging F-18s, are running into more trouble. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports that the plane's power sy...
 
 
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
08:19 PM on 08/22/2011
Peter Mckay says the plane will never have an engine failure. My money is on failure who wants to bet???? Harper says the cost for Canada is secure and lower than everyone else - the US says they want to talk to whomever (the salesman) Steven talked to because they can`t even get that deal and they are buying hundreds of more units than Canada`s mere 65 planes??????
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PortlandZoo
Wait... what?
03:50 PM on 08/09/2011
the planes might not be air-worthy, but I bet the kickbacks are flying high. Mulroney-Schreiber comes to mind...
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
09:31 PM on 08/22/2011
I bet they even don't use envelopes anymore...more in your face wire transactions that Harper didn't want taxed.
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Transitteer
and another thing . . .
05:18 AM on 08/09/2011
The only thing about the F-35 thats soaring is the price tag. And it can't fly! The Eurofighter is in the air! I think that says it all . . . . .
09:46 PM on 08/22/2011
The F-22 will wax them all.

I agree that the F-35 is a waste of money.

Its not even cheaper than the F-22 which was its entire reason to exist (that and export sales).

The USA should outsource making a carrier version of the F-22 to IAI.
The conversion kit will cost less than the ejection seat on the aircraft.
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Kris Dubuque
Proudly Progressive
03:57 PM on 08/08/2011
What a colossal waste of MY MONEY. Thanks Harper, I'll paying for these pieces of sh** for the rest of my life.
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BCSLAVE
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08:20 PM on 08/22/2011
Probably be old and grey when you get to see it actually fly!
01:01 AM on 08/07/2011
What was everyone thinking to vote this man into a majority, now he will just keep paying his defense buddies in the US more taxpayer money and slash services for good canadians.
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Howzat
Eliminate Poverty
11:39 PM on 08/06/2011
Why dont we defend ourselves with Harper's Hot Air Balloon
of a mouth that speaks out of both sides of his butt.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
05:35 PM on 08/06/2011
This issue is DISGUSTING!
Harper is trying to bring American Military Industrial Complex to Canada, and he's succeeding... This is going to destroy our government fiscally.. Just like in the states.. This has to stop!

Progressives Unite!! We ARE The Majority of Voters! Stop the Bickering!!

Read More Here: http://liberallibra.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/liberals-the-ndp/
03:52 PM on 08/06/2011
I wrote about this issue at the Globalresearch site: "The F-35A Joint Strike Fighter," Centre for Research on Globalization (27 April 2011), http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24519.

Harper's being 'stealthy' over the initial price, which will come to about twice the $75-million per plane that he claims--and he avoids mentioning the lifetime cost (according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer, about $450-million per plane).

There are serious problems with the F-35's engine: all 12 of the test planes had to be grounded this spring following an in-flight failure of both electrical generators in one of the Pratt & Whitney engines. That should raise unhappy memories for former Canadian fighter pilots. Our last single-engine fighter was the Lockheed CF-104, known by its pilots as the 'Lawn Dart' or 'Widow-Maker'. Canada had a fleet of 200 CF-104s--fully 110 of which were lost in accidents, many of them engine flame-outs. There are reasons, if you're flying out of bases like Cold Lake, Alberta, for having two-engine aircraft.

Finally, the F-35 has been described as "a gigantic performance disappointment." In a recent wargame simulation run in Australia (another potential F-35 purchaser), F-35s were matched against the new fifth-generation Russian fighters--that would be the Sukhoi 35S and the T50 PAK SA. It appears that the F-35s were outmaneuvered, outclimbed, and outrun--as one report brutally put it, they were "clubbed like baby seals."
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01:13 PM on 08/06/2011
And that's what you get for voting for Harper. Hope you're happy now.
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canuckhoser
Don't mind the man behind the curtain
02:51 PM on 08/07/2011
the majority didn't...that's the problem. this is the most illegitimate majority in canadian history.

but if are to play the game to win, just like the reform/pc merge, progressive parties have to come together to stop this reactionary, fiscally irresponsible party. or another conservative party must run....instead of the game being fixed 3/1
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schrodster
veni vidi I'm outta here
10:42 AM on 08/06/2011
If these new jets won't fly maybe we can spend millions on them to convert them to submarines to replace the subs we bought from Britain that won't submerge.
01:17 PM on 08/06/2011
LOL,
It's pretty sad, itsn't it.
09:19 AM on 08/06/2011
A nation that doesn't design and produce its own weapon systems is undefended, to paraphrase Heinz Guderian. We will need the F/A-18E to fill the gap between our old CF-18s and F-35 being ready. The Canadian model isn't even being designed yet.
06:42 PM on 08/22/2011
The Canadian model was designed and built by Americans. At most we contributed some side panels and pylons for the F/A 18 from the plant in Toronto. The CF 18 was not a Canadian plane, it was merely a variant of the F 18 built by McDonnell Douglas/Boeing for the Canadian Forces.

The last time we took a kick at that can was the AVRO Arrow. That turned out well...
11:56 PM on 08/05/2011
The only peer competitors against the US are Russia and China neither of whom seek war with the US. It will be folly for the US to make war with these two countries as the vast distances and territories will exhaust and bankrupt the US. For every other possible combatant against NATO countries a F-18 is more than enough to keep the enemy air forces grounded. Canada does not need that lemon the F-35. But as her current fleet of F-18 are nearing the end of their lives why not just buy over the F-18 production line and produce the plane for ourselves. We already know everything there is top know about the F-18 not to need a whole new caboodle of parts, maintenance equipment and skillsets.There will be lots of other countries who will be only too glad to reequip with the superHornet. The UK can for example use such a plane to equip her new carriers on the cheap. So will the other navies with wannabe aircraft carriers. There is no way Canada will get into a scrap with Russia or China whether Uncle Sam twists our arms or not. We don't need the F-35.
12:25 AM on 08/06/2011
If the US gets into a scrap with Russia or China (which is what they would like if you look at their positioning all around those two countries), Stephen Harper would be all too glad to get into that war, with or without planes that can't fly.
07:31 AM on 08/06/2011
""""""The only peer competitor­s against the US are Russia and China neither of whom seek war with the US."""""

the cold war is over
06:53 PM on 08/22/2011
Well that Cold War is over... still plenty of stuff to bicker about, money to be made.

The Chinese just launched their first Aircraft carrier, a re-fitted old Soviet hulk, the Varyag. It was supposed to become a casino off Macao.

BBC - "The PLA has invested heavily in submarines. It is believed to be close to deploying the world's first "carrier-killer" ballistic missile, designed to sink aircraft carriers while they are manoeuvring at sea up to 1,500km (930 miles) offshore, and it is building its own stealth fighter aircraft along with advanced carrier-based aircraft built from Russian designs."

Maybe we could call it Cold War II or CWII for short, has a nice ring to it.

Russia is trying to bulk up a little as well since democracy hasn't worked out so well for them. Back to old Dictatorship.
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Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
11:55 PM on 08/05/2011
This makes Canadians wish we had the Avro Arrow flying. It was an advanced aircraft for it's time and would still be a competitive useful defensive weapon.
07:02 AM on 08/07/2011
The Arrow couldn't fly because they were unable to develop the metal it needed. That is a fact and nt fiction. Stop crying for an idea that wouldn't fly and that was beggaring Canada
06:55 PM on 08/22/2011
Skipping over the whole political debate for the mo'.

Wasn't it just a lack of a ready supply of titanium? The kind we're kind of tripping over now?
09:45 PM on 08/05/2011
"Are We Buying Jets That Can't Fly?"
No. You are buying jets (and other 'military' products) that require too much maintenance and expensive repairs for failures that occur on a regular basis.