U.S. Debt Downgrade Fallout: Toronto, World Markets, Commodities Nosedive, Gold Surges

Tsx Drops Debt Downgrade

First Posted: 08/08/11 11:48 AM ET Updated: 10/08/11 06:12 AM ET

OTTAWA - Fear gripped financial markets Monday as the fallout of a downgrade of America's credit worthiness crushed stocks and investors seeking safety sent gold to a record high.

The volatility was reminiscent of the turmoil leading up to the recesssion three years ago, but fears of a sputtering recovery also raised the prospect of stable or even falling interest rates well into 2012.

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Scotiabank economist Derek Holt said the financial turmoil will help prompt the Bank of Canada to keep interest rates on hold until the second quarter of next year at least.

The Canadian central bank had been widely expected to raise rates beginning this fall — making it riskier for consumers to finance high mortgages and other growing debt. But the economic storm clouds have made that unlikely.

"Any talk of the Bank of Canada hiking this year is just foolish in my opinion," Holt said from Toronto.

"The extent of the global shocks that we're going through combined with disappointing domestic growth and a very dovish recent inflation figure gives the bank an awful lot of wiggle room."

The Toronto stock market lost nearly 492 points Monday, leaving it at 11,670.42, down more than 1,100 points or nine per cent since last Wednesday and off about 18 per cent from its high for the year set in April.

Those losses wipe out well above $100 billion in share values — and likely much more — and affected Canadians' investments and pension plans, while undermining the "wealth effect" that drives consumer confidence and spending.

Meanwhile, the Dow Jones industrials average lost just under 635 points to close at 10,809.85, down more than 1,000 points or nine per cent from the middle of last week and about 16 per cent from its high in April.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper urged Canadians not to panic from the latest stocks plunge, and said the market turmoil "doesn't change our overall assessment" of Canada's economic recovery.

"Notwithstanding the fragility of the economy and the headwinds that are there, we believe that a gradual recovery can continue," he said during a trip to Brazil.

The drop in stocks came as gold closed at a record high of more than US$1,700 an ounce higher as investors looked for shelter in the rout that was sparked by Standard & Poor's first ever downgrade of America's credit rating.

The downgrade wasn't unexpected, but investors were already jittery about the weak U.S. economy, European debt problems and Japan's recovery from its March earthquake and tsunami.

G20 finance ministers and central bank governors said Monday they're ready to step in and ensure financial stability as the latest wave of global economic fear gripped investors.

The group issued a statement affirming their commitment "to take all necessary initiatives in a co-ordinated way to support financial stability and to foster stronger economic growth."

"We will remain in close contact throughout the coming weeks and co-operate as appropriate, ready to take action to ensure financial stability and liquidity in financial markets."

"Moreover, we will continue to work intensively to achieve concrete results in support of strong, sustainable and balanced growth in the context of the G20 Framework for Growth."

BMO chief economist Sherry Cooper agreed with Holt that the Bank of Canada would likely not raise rates this fall as some had predicted.

"No one is talking about that any longer," she said. "Right now the markets are building in a cut by the Bank of Canada."

And while Cooper said the U.S. debt downgrade may be dominating the headlines, the main problems are in Europe.

The debt woes in Greece are now also threatening to engulf Italy and Spain and have sharpened fears that a fragile global recovery could easily derail.

Cooper said the commodity-heavy Toronto market has underperformed in recent weeks and the bank stocks were also lower even though the institutions themselves remain strong.

"This is similar to what we saw during the financial crisis in 2008 which is very troubling given that our domestic situation is among the best in the world as we really are truly a triple-A economy," she said.

Cooper said she hoped the decline in gasoline and food prices would spur consumer spending in the U.S.

"If we don't get a rebound in the U.S. economy then we could well see a significant slowdown in Canada," Cooper said.

Gold gained $61.80, or more than three per cent, to close at US$1,713.20, after peaking earlier at a record high of $1,718.20, while the Canadian dollar tumbled nearly a full cent as nervous investors piled into U.S. Treasurys and precious metals. The loonie fell 1.25 cents to 100.92 cents U.S.

On energy markets, fears of an economic slowdown caused by the debt crisis dragged the price of oil down $5.57 to US$81.31 a barrel after falling $8 last week.

The Toronto Stock Exchange experienced wild fluctuations Monday morning, on its first day of trading after S&P downgraded the U.S. debt rating from AAA to AA-plus on Friday afternoon.

The Canadian dollar, now firmly established as a commodities currency, followed the price of oil sharply down, losing nearly a cent in early trading. Oil hit U.S. $83 per barrel, down more than $30 from its recent high in May.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty noted that Canada is not immune from the economic headwinds buffeting much of the world, but the Tory cabinet minister expressed confidence that the global financial markets won't melt down this week.

The Huffington Post's Daniel Tencer blogged earlier on events as they unfolded:

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"There's real fear that, given the mounting challenges facing the administration and the stand-off in Congress, [the credit downgrade] could really weaken U.S. influence and the U.S. role in the world," Simon Tilford, chief economist at the Centre for European Reform in London, tells NPR's Alan Greenblatt. "For most Europeans, that's not a prospect they welcome."

According to Greenblatt, the downgrade has shaken faith not so much in the U.S.'s ability to pay, as it has in everyone else's ability to pay. He quotes Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff of the German Marshall Fund: "The American downgrade has had an immediate effect on the Europeans."

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"France and Britain are most vulnerable within Europe to a rating review following the U.S. downgrade, with anemic growth and hefty borrowing placing them among the shakiest of the world's triple-A rated lenders," Reuters reports.

Both countries have stable rating outlooks, making a sudden downgrade unlikely and markets have been so impressed by Britain's debt-cutting strategy that they have pushed its bond yields to record lows.

But a surge in the cost of insuring French debt against default on Monday highlighted alarm sparked by Friday's U.S. rating cut as banks and brokerages warned that rating agencies could now have top-rated European lenders in their sights.

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President Obama sought to refocus attention from credit ratings to job creation in the second half of his speech Monday afternoon.

"There will always be economic factors that we can't control -- earthquakes, spikes in oil prices ... but how we respond to those ... that's entirely up to us," the president said, pushing job-creation projects such as infrastructure renewal.

These are ideas Republicans “have agreed to countless times in the past,” the president noted.

The U.S. president sought to lift the nation's spirits a little, declaring at one point that "no matter what some agency may say, we've always been and always will be a triple-A country."

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Speaking at the White House Monday afternoon, President Barack Obama said the U.S. can easily resolve its debt issues, but not in the current, bitterly partisan political environment.

The president said S&P downgraded U.S. credit because "after witnessing a month of wrangling over the debt ceiling they doubted our political system’s ability" to address financial problems. "The markets continue to believe our debt is triple A."

Washington cannot continue along a path "where the threat of default was used as a bargaining chip," the president added. "Our problems are eminently solvable, and we know what we need to do to solve them."

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper evidently agrees with U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, Nobel-winning economist Paul Krugman and many others in disagreeing with the S&P's decision to downgrade U.S. credit.

That's according to Brazilian President Dilma Rouseff, who met with Harper in Brasilia today and sealed a number of agreements with Canada. Despite tensions over issues such as currency and the aerospace industry, Canada and Brazil appear to be moving closer to one another economically, with understandings signed today on international aid and Olympic co-operation, among other things, as well as an agreement to create a forum where Brazilian and Canadian economic leaders would meet on the sidelines of international conferences.

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The U.S. has little hope of regaining its AAA credit rating as long as its political environment remains caustic and polarized, Standard & Poor's said in a conference call Monday.

"Given the nature of the debate currently in the country, with the polarization of views across the country right now, we don't see anything immediately on the horizon" that would allow the U.S. to return to AAA standing, David Beers, head of S&P's sovereign ratings, told the media.

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One business day after S&P downgraded the U.S.'s credit rating, the ratings agency has done the same to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the giant U.S. mortgage companies that many economists say played a big role in the U.S. housing collapse.

Fannie and Freddie, which started out as government entities in the 1930s, own or underwrite about half of U.S. mortgages. S&P said it downgraded the lenders' ratings because their credit-worthiness is linked to that of the U.S. government.

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U.S. President Barack Obama is to deliver a statement on the economy at 1 p.m. ET, various media outlets are reporting.

The statement comes as both the TSX and the Dow opened sharply down, mirroring the losses in European and Asian markets.

UPDATE: The televised conference has been delayed to 1:30 pm ET.

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Gold hit an all-time nominal record high Monday morning, as investors continued to flee stocks in favour of safer shores. Gold streaked past the U.S.$1,700 mark, nearly doubling in price since the start of 2009. But as the Canadian Press notes, gold still hasn't hit its inflation-adjusted all-time high of $850 in 1980, which in today's dollars would amount to $2,400.

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Fears of a second-dip recession are driving oil prices down this morning. Oil dropped to around $83 a barrel in early trading, representing a 20-dollar drop since last month, and a 32-dollar drop since it hit a high of $115 in May.

"A drastic weakening of sentiment has brought oil prices down sharply, with sovereign debt fears key in a mounting loss of faith in economic, and hence demand, prospects," Barclays Capital said in a report.

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The Canadian dollar fell nearly one cent U.S. in early trading Monday, following the path of oil prices, which also got crushed in the first full day of trading after the U.S.'s saw its credit rating downgraded. The loonie fell to 101.4 cents U.S. by mid-morning.

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02:21 AM on 08/09/2011
As long as there is profit there will be economic disorder. When the business of LENDING money derives a profit in the name of risk, it is a false offset. This has resulted in a major inequality. Those holding capital with financial stakes won’t see it that way I have no doubt. Well I’m telling you guys you are wrong and PROFIT just is NOT RIGHT!!!! Pay a man a fair wage but when his efforts derive further benefit that benefit needs to be equally shared. What is risk? Getting bailed out by the tax payer OR declaring bankruptcy and reorganising. Losing a "job" has more devastating effect on human tragedy and misery than a bankupcy reorganization. I know some folks who have declared bankruptcy 3 times. They pissed away YOUR earned value and call it risk to "them" as the holders of fiat values of your work.

BS if you cling to that philosophy. Not cool anymore when people are seeing the results of predatory capitalists push consumption (Madison Ave) which may be contrary to global resource priorities, but if it meets the needs and demands of the “shareholders” not the “stakeholders”. Not the same because that would include the real workers and their needs and the global community whose resources are being depleted and abused in the name of profit.

Until society can do a major RESET of attitude to switch from "Think and Grow Rich" to "For the good of All" AND "access" becomes the new "ownership",
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12:27 AM on 08/09/2011
Duh, bye low sell high. Look at Uncle Buffet and please elect Charlie.S. for President.
ProudNeoCon
helping people does not require government
12:04 AM on 08/09/2011
Hiking rates? The IR futures are pricing 100% chance that rates will be cut 25 bps in the next 9 months and 25% chance that there will be second cut
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Russg
09:23 PM on 08/08/2011
The bubble is deflating. In the long run, this is a good thing. In the short run, this could prove to be very painful.
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dread
07:00 PM on 08/08/2011
Oil prices are dropping and the pump prices for gas are going up. $ 1.39.9 / l in N. Ontario.
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CarlyQ
Without followers, evil cannot spread.
12:27 AM on 08/09/2011
They`re not even bothering to pretend they`re not gouging anymore.
04:34 PM on 08/08/2011
I pray everyday that as nutty as our politics can get, that we NEVER, EVER let a "tea party" take hold here in Canada...watching the meltdown in America because of these crazies, has me tossing and turning many a night in fear that they may migrate....GAWD FORBID!!!!
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Russg
09:25 PM on 08/08/2011
How have they caused the meltdown? They were the only group to propose a solution that would prevent such a meltdown and ensure long-term economic stability. Obama and Boehner's solution merely kicked the can further down the road. THAT is why the credit was downgraded and why the market lacks confidence.
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GreenCanadian
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11:52 PM on 08/08/2011
Not according to the S&P. The lack of additional revenues was cited, the lack of revenues that the Teapublicans pledged not to support. I am yet to hear an argument from a tea partier that recognizes the fact that the debt ceiling raise was to pay the bill on money that was already spent. They just repeat the same slogans over and over about "getting our house in order". It was Grover Norquist's pledge that the republicans signed that disabled their ability to make any compromise on raising taxes. It may not have been the tea party members, but it WAS their leader.
BritishColumbian
American/Canadian liberal
02:01 AM on 08/09/2011
Do you know anything about the solution that they proposed like Paul Ryan's budget? You should really do some research on your own without just blindly accepting what your "hear".
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07:05 AM on 08/09/2011
Many Americans would love to live in Canada now. The cities of Toronto, Montreal are a monument to the level of administration that Canada has the US so lacks. Even the smaller cities like Ottawa and Kingston have so much to offer.
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03:56 PM on 08/08/2011
'We Have Always Been, And Always Will Be A Triple-A Country' - US President Obama.

...except when it's not, like right now.
04:58 PM on 08/08/2011
What a sad president

Think he is is denial, like a junkie?
canuckjen
A life that is lived is a life of evolution.
05:50 PM on 08/08/2011
Many Americans seem to be in denial. That's what happens when "exceptionals" find out they're no longer truly considered "exceptional."
canuckjen
A life that is lived is a life of evolution.
05:42 PM on 08/08/2011
His words just feed the denial so many Americans are in right now. In their anger at what S&P did, they are completely ignoring the subtle warnings given to them by both Moody's and Fitch's agencies that their AAA rating is not permanent but still up for re-evaluation if things continue on the same path.
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05:48 PM on 08/08/2011
right, America just can't accept that it ain't #1 anymore.
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03:54 PM on 08/08/2011
'We Have Always Been, And Always Will Be A Triple-A Country' - US President Obama.

Hey, all us Canadians about 55 and over...all together now, 1...2...3...

"The sun will never set on the British Empire!"
schrodster
veni vidi I'm outta here
04:16 PM on 08/08/2011
British Empire?.....sure you're Cdn? Even the Brits have filed that one away.
canuckjen
A life that is lived is a life of evolution.
05:43 PM on 08/08/2011
It's still a pointed and timely reminder about the dangers of hybris.
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Greenkid
05:27 AM on 08/09/2011
i think you missed his point...
04:21 PM on 08/08/2011
Canada is in as bad a shape as anyone
They just didn't downgrade us yet.
It's coming.
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04:23 PM on 08/08/2011
No its not. We're the most stable - by far - of all of the G8 countries.
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SidelineBoy
04:28 PM on 08/08/2011
Are you crazy???? We will feel some effects - but we are in no debt trouble, have solid banks, and only 7.2 unemployment.
03:11 PM on 08/08/2011
Dear Canada,

I am so sorry if our country and our ignorant government has caused you and your people any difficulty. Really. I am not joking. I am truly sorry.

A US Citizen
04:23 PM on 08/08/2011
I'm sorry your president sucks.

but I guess you did that to yourself.

I would say the president owes the American people a big I'm Sorry.

It's the spending stupid
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06:46 PM on 08/08/2011
Presidents don't spend money. Congress controls the purse strings. You seem to have a lot to say with little knowledge and few facts to back it up.
07:04 PM on 08/08/2011
oh dear...it is not the spending stupid..it is the tea party stupid...also...you cannot continue to cut unless you increase revenue, whether it be by higher taxes or however. As for THEIR president, I would take him any day over Harper
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06:45 PM on 08/08/2011
Thank you for your kind sentiments. We always have a setback when America suffers . . . we'll overcome it.
03:01 PM on 08/08/2011
we r on our way to hellllllllllll
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
02:46 PM on 08/08/2011
>> "Mr. Martin slashed and burned federal departments..."

... and did so *in consultation with* Parliament, which was a far more agreeable bunch back then, one that saw the necessity of doing these things, as well as a whole roster of others that got Canada on sure financial footings. The TP simply wants to ravage, with no real thought beyond that. To associate Martin with that bunch is like saying Citizen Kane is the greatest Western ever made.
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Russg
02:29 PM on 08/08/2011
$83 a barrel? Why are we still paying the price at the pump that we were paying when oil was $140 a barrel a few years back??
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janetislight
Liberal/Progressive/Socialist. Deal with it.
03:30 PM on 08/08/2011
Because it's a manufactured increase. Let's just keep this oil companies tax free and richer than Croeces. I think the "Clampetts" are the TV version of the tea party,
01:01 PM on 08/08/2011
Monday, August 08, 2011

Canada claims founder of American Tea Party movement!

Yes, that's right former Canadian Prime Minister and Finance Minister Paul Martin - sorry neighbour!

Our argument. Recall the early 2000s when much like the United States today Canada was verging on bankruptcy so much so then Prime Minister Jean Chretien was forced to cancel a $5.8 billion contract for 43 new helicopters to replace the aging Sea Kings at a penalty cost to taxpayers of $500 million. Although never told the real reason at the time it was because the country was broke.

As Finance Minister (1993-2002) Mr. Martin slashed and burned federal departments, turned chronic budget deficits into surpluses over several successive years paving the way for significant national debt reduction which to this day has earned him the respect of the international financial community. Might this also help explain why Canada is so highly regarded as a member of the G8 and G20? Besides, in this latest recession Canada has yet to lose a financial institution.

Fast forward to today. So what are the tenets of The Tea Party? That's right cut budgets, generate federal surpluses reduce the national debt.

But that's not all we've given you. Ice hockey, great beer, Justin Bieber, Mounties, CNN's Ali Velshi, best salmon fishing in the world, actors Jim Carrey, Martin Short - and on and on it goes.

Something we wish we could give you but, unfortunately can't, is Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Sincerely,
Clare L. Pieuk
canuckjen
A life that is lived is a life of evolution.
02:21 PM on 08/08/2011
Total hyperbole. Why leave "raise taxes" off your list? The tenets of the tea party have nothing to do with Canadian policies or philosophies.

http://thestar.blogs.com/davidolive/2011/08/the-globe-and-mails-barrie-mckenna-makes-the-point-which-would-be-of-great-relief-to-americans-if-they-only-knew-that-unlik.html
02:52 PM on 08/08/2011
that's not all that got left off the list....
10:58 PM on 08/16/2011
Talking to Americans!

Good Day Neighbours:

In March of this year Forbes Magazine ranked Warren Buffett as the world's third richest person with a net worth of around $50 billion. Last night Charlie Rose devoted an entire show to "The Oracle of Omaha." His command of the numbers was nothing short of fascinating along with his his ideas on tax reform. How many of the super rich can you name who openly discuss their income tax return?

The extreme right wing of the Republican Party (The Tea Party) that vehemently opposes fiscal reform of the system as one option for getting the United States out of the current financial mess in which it finds itself should be tied up, gagged and forced to watcj this interview multiple times. Perhaps only then will it sink in expenditure reduction in and of itself is insufficient.

Sincerely,
Clare L. Pieuk

Economist/Media Citizen Journalist

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Russg
02:31 PM on 08/08/2011
Martin is hardly in step with tea party philosophy. Sure, he slashed and burned, which is something they would respect, but Martin still represents a type of big government that the tea party cannot tolerate. Simply slashing deficits does not a tea partier make.