Ontario Election: Tim Hudak's Hope For Majority Seen Slipping In New Polls

Tim Hudak Ontario Election Majority Poll

The Huffington Post Canada   First Posted: 09/02/11 10:10 AM ET Updated: 11/02/11 06:12 AM ET

Ontario’s election has become a three-way horse race in a matter of weeks, with frontrunner Tim Hudak’s hope for a majority government slipping away on the eve of the campaign’s official launch

Two recently released polls show that, while the Progressive Conservative leader still holds a lead over the governing Liberals, the race is tightening.

An Angus-Reid survey shows the Tories holding a seven-point edge over the Liberals (38 per cent to 31 per cent), but that is a far cry from the double-digit lead the PCs enjoyed as recently as July. The New Democrats, at 24 per cent, are also gaining ground.

A poll by Forum Research shows an even closer race, with the Tories leading the Liberals by 35 per cent to 30 per cent. That is a three point drop for the PCs since Forum’s last poll conducted in July, and a two point gain for the Liberals. While the shifts are not very statistically significant, this is the second consecutive poll reporting a narrowing gap between the two parties.

Forum Research also shows the NDP gaining support, with 26 per cent of respondents saying they plan to vote for Andrea Horwath’s party.

Perhaps most significant is that in neither poll do the PCs have enough support to win a majority government, according to ThreeHundredEight.com’s seat projection model.

The Angus-Reid numbers would result in a Tory minority with 52 seats, two short of the majority threshold. The Liberals would win 34 and the NDP 21. The only silver lining for Hudak is that this sort of spread would make it very difficult for Dalton McGuinty to hold on to power.

The Forum poll would result in a much more fractured legislature, with the PCs taking 44 seats to the Liberals’ 39. Hudak would be hard pressed to find enough support from either the Liberal or NDP caucuses (the latter numbering 24 MPPs) to govern. This sort of scenario would more likely result in an NDP-supported Liberal minority government.

In order to return to majority territory, the Progressive Conservatives will need to improve their numbers in Toronto. Both Angus-Reid and Forum Research show the Liberals holding a comfortable lead in Ontario’s largest city, though both also show the Tories ahead in the Greater Toronto Area’s suburban “905” area code. The two polls also agree that the PCs are ahead in southwestern and eastern Ontario.

Where the two polls disagree is on the northern part of the province, understandably considering the small sample sizes used to plot support in the region. Both show the north to be the NDP’s strongest region, and Horwath is likely to take a large swathe of seats from the Liberals in this part of the province.

But the worst bit of news in the polls for Hudak must be in the leadership numbers. McGuinty is now polling better than Hudak on the question of who would make the better premier, according to Forum Research, with McGuinty at 35 per cent to Hudak’s 34 per cent. A statistical tie, but this is the second consecutive poll showing McGuinty’s leadership numbers improving and Hudak’s declining. Not a positive trend for the Tory leader.

The poll by Angus-Reid was conducted for the Toronto Star between August 25 and 28, and surveyed 1,002 online panelists in Ontario. The margin of error of a random sample of that size is +/- 3.1%, 19 times out of 20. The poll by Forum Research was conducted for the National Post between August 29 and 30, and surveyed 2,310 Ontarians with an IVR telephone system. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 2.0%, 19 times out of 20.

Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls and electoral projections.

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Ontario’s election has become a three-way horse race in a matter of weeks, with frontrunner Tim Hudak’s hope for a majority government slipping away on the eve of the campaign’s official launch ...
Ontario’s election has become a three-way horse race in a matter of weeks, with frontrunner Tim Hudak’s hope for a majority government slipping away on the eve of the campaign’s official launch ...
 
 
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11:43 AM on 09/05/2011
My memories of the Harris government was trying to survive on temp job after temp job as the Construction industry in Toronto ground to a halt. I remember one winter when there were no cranes in downtown T.O.

A conservative Hat-Trick would be a disaster. McGuinty is correct in his assessment that he is not the most liked Premier of Ontario, but we could do a heck of a lot worse!
11:52 PM on 09/04/2011
I hope Ontarians are smart enough not to fall for Tim Hudak.
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haselcheck
Had enuff...Get active....
08:43 AM on 09/04/2011
Can't trust the polls....People will soon wake up and kick Mcguinty and the Liberals to the curb....Worst Government ever....FAKE Green Energy Act wastes $28 Billion for ZERO additional energy, ZERO reduction in pollution...and our rates will still quadruple.....McGuinty is planning to introduce TOU Meter taxes and Cap and Trade System.....Liberals always have new ways to kill jobs in Ontario....Ontario Debt approaches $250 Billion and we are still a have-not province because of McGuinty Tax and Spend policies....l
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02:33 AM on 09/05/2011
Do you think the PC's will do any better?
01:15 PM on 09/17/2011
First off, TOU is not a tax... Wanna talk about energy scandals??? How about the nuclear plants that have gone an average of 2.5 times over budget (= a lot more than 28 billion), where no fixed cost was guaranteed to consumers. At least they guarantee a rate on energy through the FIT contracts on wind, solar, biomass, hydro and now CHP, all of which (except for solar currently) are cheaper than nuclear power. Do your homework first before spreading your non-sense.
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03:08 AM on 09/04/2011
maybe the conservatives will get a minority government and the ontario liberals and ontario ndp will merge to get a majority and then 2 years from now it will happen on the federal level
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fromdnorth
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09:19 PM on 09/03/2011
Why not Hudack? Three words: 407
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haselcheck
Had enuff...Get active....
08:49 AM on 09/04/2011
Are you brain-dead ? Grammatical and spell idiot...haha
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
01:40 PM on 09/04/2011
Grammatica­l and spell idiot.
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You failed ESL I'll bet...
07:35 PM on 09/03/2011
People are getting a preview of what Tory rule would be like with the Toronto mayor.
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
05:24 PM on 09/03/2011
Don't be surprised when the green party of ontario gets a voice in the legislative assembly with this election. I'm campaigning for the green candidate here in Guelph and the early polling has our candidate in a four way dead heat. check out the green party platform gpo.ca
07:35 PM on 09/03/2011
Let's hope he doesn't split the vote and allow the tory to get in.
01:44 PM on 09/17/2011
The crux of the problem right there, even with just the NDP and Liberals dividing the left.
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Endogenous Light Nexus
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04:26 PM on 09/03/2011
"Progressive Conservative"? Sure sounds like an oxymoron to me.
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rickthaluddite
What noisy cats are we
09:07 PM on 09/10/2011
It does, but it didn't used to be like it is now. Ontario was great when I was a kid and Brampton Billy Davis was premier in a minority pc government for 15 years. I don't trust any of those young smartass conservative politicians-- Tim Hudak, John Baird, Jason Kenney (even the PM would consider that a compliment, but he's not so young any more) and their American doppelgangers Scott Walker, Rick Santorum et al.
aintnoliberalnow
Old,cranky and retired
05:05 PM on 09/02/2011
All things considered, a minority government with the NDP controlling the balance of power might not be a bad thing in the short run. After all, they have been in the forefront of demanding the HST be removed from Hydro and home enegery and the most outspoken on McGuilty's extravegant waste of tax dollars on the Liberal party's clones and cronies. Remember the Cricket fields in Toronto, the E-Health fiasco, the Ontario Lottery and Gaming commission, the secret orders to Toronto Police during the G 20 and the endless list goes on and on. When Hudac throws this election it will be because he and his party sat silently by while some one else did the job of the opposition.
03:45 PM on 09/02/2011
If the polls hold it looks like another case of the split vote between the Liberals and the NDP handing the Conservatives the election, maybe even a majority.
03:38 PM on 09/02/2011
If Ontario hasn't had enough of McGuinty, they deserve what's coming to them
03:46 PM on 09/02/2011
gee, go tell that to Albertans that have had the same PC majority for almost 50 years
03:51 PM on 09/02/2011
Ontario would be damn lucky to be in the shape Alberta is in
If it aint broke, why fix it?
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Sirlarek
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03:34 PM on 09/02/2011
Hudak's thinking is much like the American right. It is the last thing that this province needs.
cdnman
Still a free spirit...
05:25 AM on 09/05/2011
Agreed.
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Miller Time
03:24 PM on 09/02/2011
Mike Harris conducted many, many meetings to ask the people of Ontario what they wanted a government to do. Based on these meetings, the PCs produced their manifesto. They ran on that document and were elected. They immediately began to implement those measures and the nay-sayers said whoa, you are going too fast.

You mean you are objecting because we are doing what we said we were going to do.

I work for a charitable organization that was fully involved in workfare. It was a resounding success. Work was found by our management for a number of highly skilled people in their fields of expertise. Some participants were hired by our organization. Many years later, and only recently, those people have thanked our organization for allowing them to get their lives back in order.

As for teachers: they were being held accountable for their pupils' grades. Standards were set and expected to be met. McGuinty has since drastically lowered those standards to pander to the teacher unions. Then he boasts that we are meeting the standards at a much higher level than the Harris Government.

Finally. Mike Harris said what he was going to do and did it = honesty.

McGuinty signed a legal agreement with the Taxpayer's Federation that he would not raise taxes. He then had a court rule that a politician need not keep promises and his agreement with the TF was not legal and binding. Just how honourable is that?
03:49 PM on 09/02/2011
peter mckay signed a document that, if he were to become leader of the then PC party of Canada, he'd never allow a merger with Reform/Allicance

how'd that work out?
is he in jail?
did he get admonished?
did he get fired?

nope, he's a federal minister under the harpo regime
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Miller Time
09:34 PM on 09/02/2011
You are mixing apples and pears. Peter McKay was the leader of a private political party. Yes he made a deal and yes he broke it.

Dalton McGuinty is the Leader of the Government of Ontario. He made a promise to the people of Ontario that he wouldn't raise taxes. How many times has he done it in the past 8 years? And he went to court so that he could keep his ball and play with it.
02:41 PM on 09/02/2011
To put in perspective what a bad deal the Harris/Hudak 407 boondoggle was, Ontario drivers pay over $600 million per YEAR in tolls and other fees to the 407. In return they spend about about $21 million a year actually maintaining the highway. They spend about FOUR times that (about $80 million) maintaining their toll system, customer "service", etc. That's right- they spend four times more maintaining their toll system than they do maintaining the highway. (see their 2010 financial statements at sedar dot com) So the cost to maintain the toll system alone is about $800 million over 10 years. We could have funded a whole other highway with that money- and remembers that's JUST the administrative costs of the toll system itself. Ontarians have likely paid close to $5 BILLION in 407 tolls over the past 10 years- enough to build two highway 407's, or one really nice subway. That's the Hudak/Harris economic plan for you.
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
To decimate is to reduce by one tenth.
04:38 PM on 09/02/2011
F&F'd. Not to mention the fact that 407-generated revenue leaves the country. Shameful.
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haselcheck
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08:50 AM on 09/04/2011
Pay attention....407 over 50% by Canadian Companies...
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Miller Time
09:39 PM on 09/02/2011
The highway cost so much because Bob Rae insisted that it be a complete union project, up to and including what is known as the mud trades.

And let's get nostalgic and remember the "Rae Days". Are you listening union brothers?
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Maria Korovessis Sewell
To decimate is to reduce by one tenth.
11:08 PM on 09/02/2011
So why does it continue to cost Canadians so much? Or is that a good thing 'cuz a private concern overseas that is making all the money - as long as we're being scrod by a multinational, right? Surely can't still be the union bros fault?
10:13 AM on 09/04/2011
The cost of building the highway is not the issue. I was referring to the idiotic decision to sell it, which will end up costing more in tolls and toll administration costs than it would have cost to build several highways. Anyway your claim about the cost is bogus- in the first place there aren't enough non-union contractors to build a major project like this and secondly the cost diffference would have been negligible. It's funny you can be angry with a politician you don't like (Rae) for a relatively small amount yet you seem to be willing to look the other way when a politician you like (Harris/Hudak) does something so stunningly stupid that costs us billions of dollars.
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JackHoffman
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02:15 PM on 09/02/2011
The left must merge or we are doomed provincially and federally for some time to come.
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patrickwwalker
04:25 PM on 09/02/2011
Liberals are not "left" at all as evidenced by their years-long propping up of the Tories in Ottawa.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
10:42 PM on 09/03/2011
coalition is ok