Chief Of Defence Walter Natynczyk: No Need To Pay Back Taxpayers For Personal Jet Travel

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First Posted: 09/18/11 12:31 PM ET Updated: 11/18/11 05:12 AM ET

OTTAWA - The country's top military commander has dismissed a suggestion from the prime minister that he pay back taxpayers for his personal use of government jets.

Chief of Defence Staff Gen. Walter Natynczyk says he uses the air force's Challenger jets as part of his command-and-liaison role and sees no reason the public treasury needs to be reimbursed.

In an interview on CTV's Question Period today, Natynczyk suggested the planes should actually be used more often.

"The problem is the aircraft are not being used enough and so aircraft are flying around empty because we have to maintain the proficiency of the pilots and indeed of the crew," he said.

He blamed government cutbacks on usage of the jets for the wasted flights.

Access-to-information documents suggest Natynczyk has spent more than $1 million flying on the jets since 2008, including a trip to St. Maarten in 2010.

He told CTV that the trip to join his family was given the greenlight by the defence minister.

It came after he'd spent a second Christmas in Afghanistan and then cancelled a personal leave to attend the repatriation ceremonies for four soldiers and a Canadian journalist killed there, he said.

"I'm indebted to the minister for coming back and looking at the business case that the aircraft, again, many of them would have flown empty," he said.

"So in terms of the rates that people are using, they don't apply in this regard."

CTV said Thursday that the Challenger costs $10,105 a flying hour to operate, meaning the trip to St. Maarten and back cost $92,956.

According to 2011-12 public accounts records, the total annual cost per hour of flying the VIP jet is $9,379. That figure includes the operating cost and the long-term, amortized expense of ground infrastructure. The per-hour operating cost is $2,321.

The prime minister said last week that the use of government aircraft for private business is allowed, as long as the treasury is compensated.

"Our government has dramatically cut the use of government aircraft," Harper said during an event in Saskatoon.

"When government aircraft are used, as certainly I do on some occasions, when they are used for personal or private travel, we expect that travel at commercial rates to be reimbursed to the taxpayers. That's what I do and that's protocol I think should be respected across government."

There was no immediate comment from the prime minister's office as to whether they'd compel Natynczyk to pay back the public coffers.

Passenger logs, obtained by CTV News, show Natynczyk and some members of his family flew to Toronto from Ottawa for a Maple Leafs hockey game in appreciation of the military at a cost of $23,231.

Nearly $400,000 was spent going to six NHL games over three years and about $340,000 was spent going to CFL games.

A military spokesman said Friday that says each of those trips fell within the realm of the general's duty and were wedged in between other official business.

On Question Period, Natynczyk argued that in some cases they were more economical than taking a commercial flight even between cities like Toronto and Ottawa.

"In each case, no matter where I go, across the country, anywhere around the world, I and my team work to be the most efficient in the use of the taxpayer's dollar," he said.

Natynczyk characterized the story as an attack.

"I've been very transparent, I've been very ethical throughout my entire 36 years of service and I am today," he said.

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06:06 PM on 09/21/2011
Drop Wally and give me 100 push-ups,100 sit-ups and all the money back!
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
10:44 PM on 09/19/2011
Here's what I learned while serving in the US Navy...

In the first few years of my ten year enlistment, I used to cringe, every time I saw some sort of "waste fraud and abuse" occurring, In fact, I wrote more WFA claims then anybody I know. At sea we would do what is called an "Unrep" (underway replenishment) which happens to be one of the most dangerous operations next to carrier landings at sea. Basically, It entails two ships to moor (tie themselves together) and swap fuel, produce, repair items, and sometimes mail. The dangerous part can be an ship collision, due apart to the close proximity and lines tend to snap in rough seas, cutting people in half, (it happens more then people know).

Once, at zero dark thirty, (three o'clock in morning civilian time) the bridge blew a whistle for an emergency unrep, were we all went to our stations to do the deed. After a successful ops (thank gawd) we later found out, the unrep, was about the Admiral wanting to try our bakers cookies. Huh, wait a minute. The Admiral put ours lives on the line just so he can have some cookies? This is BS, this is worth a WFA claim, post haste to my congressmen (rep John Glen, D) I've got something to say.
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
10:45 PM on 09/19/2011
...con't

It turns out I was wrong, so my leading petty officer says, and he was right. Why? Because there's only one mandate for any military and that is BE ON THE READY, for which the admiral was testing us.

Here, the pilots and crew of the CC-144 Challenger fleet, need their flight hours to keep qualified
in order to BE ON THE READY. Well, you can't do that when your Priminster is cutting back and using you for political gain...

...And that's a shame
schrodster
veni vidi I'm outta here
03:53 PM on 09/19/2011
We have a government who basks in the glow of the military. Finds any excuse for cabinet ministers to travel for photo ops in Afghanistan. Changes the names of our military to reflect our proud heritage blah blah blah. Spends billions on fighter jets that may or may not fly. But in this case, without any investigation, our PM has no problem throwing the Gen under the bus to score a few cheap politcal points. Good job Steve,you never fail to disappoint.
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pleblian
One smart as meɪtər futūtor
11:49 PM on 09/19/2011
Dude!

You are so fanned
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:12 AM on 09/19/2011
All of a sudden I "stand on guard for thee" takes on a totally new meaning.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:12 AM on 09/19/2011
I like these do what you want, stand up guys.
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john frodo
armchair expert
08:54 AM on 09/19/2011
This is crazy, he should be flying commercial.
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elizlucinda
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
08:11 AM on 09/19/2011
If he had authorization to take these trips, he shouldn't be asked to pay them back. change the policy and make it clear.

If no authorization was given, he should pay for the trip.
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stanschurman
04:19 AM on 09/19/2011
If he has to reimburse for the equivalent commercial airfare will that be for 2 round trips, Ottawa to Calgary, or just the trips during which he was actually on the plane? Because that one trip to the Stampede required 2 round trips of the crew and plane.
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stanschurman
04:02 AM on 09/19/2011
So, if I'm a general or a member of cabinet and I'm caught using a government aircraft for personal use at 10s of thousands of taxpayer dollars, all I have to do is pony up whatever the commercial airfare would have been if I'd used a commercial flight? By that logic, if I take a joyride in a stolen Rolls Royce, all I should have to do is pay the owner the equivalent of whatever bus fare would have been incurred had I used that mode of transportation instead.
11:59 PM on 09/18/2011
He'll be looking for a new job...thank god we got Harper running Canada
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stanschurman
03:54 AM on 09/19/2011
Yeah, because if we didn't have Harper someone might spend $50 million on gazebos and toilets in a riding a couple of hundred kilometers from the border and claim it as a border security expense. Oh wait.....
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Jeffery Cuneo
11:38 AM on 09/19/2011
Harper's defence minister was the one who approved his use of the jet... just saying...
03:49 AM on 09/22/2011
Tripped over the computer cord and fell on my butt, that is the fault of Harper too.
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freddychef
Tue,4 Nov '14 Dems take House! & Majority Senate!!
11:02 PM on 09/18/2011
walt, expect to see a dishonourable discharge within this week.
10:40 PM on 09/18/2011
My God, what a group of skinflints we have posting today. The man is Chief of Defense staff, for Pete' sake. 6 hockey games over 3 years that were honouring our military. Leave the poor man alone.
10:17 PM on 09/18/2011
Okay, well, if he doesn't need to pay for it...then I'd like to book it for January to Maui, please?
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stanschurman
04:15 AM on 09/19/2011
Sorry, I already have it booked most of that month.
10:09 PM on 09/18/2011
He sees no reason for the public treasury to be reimbursed...well, maybe there should be no reason for the public treasury to pay his salary.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
10:04 PM on 09/18/2011
Do they even have a helmet large enough to contain his ego. As a Canadian taxpayer I resent him abusing flights to go to sporting events and holidays.