Greece Debt Crisis: Jim Flaherty Calls On Europe To 'Overwhelm' Crisis With Bailout Fund

Flaherty Greece Debt Crisis

First Posted: 09/23/11 12:13 PM ET Updated: 11/23/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Canada is urgently calling on Europe to "overwhelm" their problems with a massive bailout of their big banks as a necessary first step to prevent a new recession barely two years after the last one.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty ended the first of two days of meetings with his G20 counterparts in Washington devoted to the growing crisis, pretty much as he began them, expressing frustration with European leaders.

The European representatives at the international meetings have said they are prepared to go ahead with a June 21 emergency fund to deal with the debt crisis and are prepared to be "flexible" as to its size, but cautioned that not all in the 17-nation eurozone club have approved the proposal.

Flaherty said he shared the "frustration" with the slowness of the process, and urged Europe to get on with it.

He called on them to announce a facility similar to the near trillion dollar bailout Washington put in place at the end of 2008 to save their banks from going the way of Lehman Brothers.

"This problem in Europe needs to be overwhelmed as the Americans overwhelmed their problem," he told reporters.

"And they need to overwhelm the problem in order to get ahead of the markets. They have procedural concerns, that doesn't change the reality that the sooner the better, that uncertainty and delay are the enemies."

Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney added the problem is manageable "if it is managed."

"It is not a question of ability for the eurozone, it's a question of political will."

A crisis atmosphere has built around the two days of meetings as markets, expecting strong action, have expressed despair over doubts that leaders will seize the moment as they did in 2008.

Some ministers have given Europe six weeks to fix the problem. That would coincide with the next leaders summit of the large G20 nations, the pre-eminent decision making group in the world that played such a pivotal role in the October 2008 crisis.

The head of Europe's central bank, Jean-Claude Trichet, said leaders were "fighting hard" in Europe but that it takes time to get everyone on board.

And French finance minister François Baroin suggested Europe may be open to expanding the size of its $600-billion 21 emergency fund agreed to on June 21, but not as yet ratified.

But it's an open question whether financial markets are willing to wait that long.

On Friday, the Toronto stock market fell nearly 100 points, taking the index 7.5 per cent lower on the week and 20 per cent below its highs in early March.

New York fared a little better, gaining back about 38 points, slim consolation for the more than 700 points it lost the previous two days.

Flaherty and Carney both were grim faced at their news conference despite trying to make the case that Canada, while not wholly sheltered, still remained relatively well off.

The finance minister said he still expected modest growth going forward, but also stressed he was prepared to act if the worst came to pass.

"If the global situation deteriorates, we'll be pragmatic and we have the flexibility to adapt," he said.

Flexibility is code work for Canada's relatively strong fiscal position, which allows the government to introduce a second stimulus package without breaking the bank. As the IMF noted this week, Canada is one of the few big economies in the advanced world that can afford to stimulate the economy through higher spending.

The minister did not say whether his four-year plan to balance the budget is still on track, although that would fall by the boards if the economy continues to slide.

Much of that will depend on Europe, but other reforms are needed, Flaherty said. One of the most important is the need for indebted nations to carry through with austerity and big exporting nations such as China to allow their currency to appreciate.

On Thursday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper made it clear the stakes of dealing with the deepening crisis swirling around Europe's sovereign debt, headed by the growing possibility of a Greek default.

"We're now at a stage where the uncertainty in global markets is getting to extremely dangerous levels and simply more steps is not what is going to resolve the problem," he said.

"I know that the solutions will be extremely difficult but I think we're at the stage where the solutions and the outcomes that the market and people fear are far worse than what would actually occur if some final decisions were made."

British finance minister George Osborne said the eurozone must take action before the upcoming G20 leader's summit in November.

The concern is that if Greece cannot meet its interest payments, it will set off a chain reaction of contagion, first to European banks that hold Greek bonds and then around the world to financial institutions connected to Europe. That would freeze credit and hammer the real-world economy, much as happened in 2008 when Lehman Brothers' collapse led to a financial and then economic crisis.

"It's about making sure than banks can actually finance the economy," said International Monetary Fund manager Christine Lagarde.

Earlier in the day, Flaherty spoke as if leaders are looking beyond Greece itself to the impact it would have on European banks in an effort to prevent the contagion from spreading, as happened with the Lehman Brothers collapse in 2008.

Asked about newspaper reports that Greece is considering asking bondholders to accept a 50 per cent haircut on its debt obligations, Flaherty stressed that contagion was the bigger problem.

"I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Greece is in a very difficult position in terms of paying off its debts. The key is the knock-on effects on European banks and making sure that contagion is controlled," he responded.

G20 finance ministers pledged Thursday night that they are "committed to a strong and co-ordinated international response to address the renewed challenges facing the global economy."

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11:21 AM on 09/24/2011
If, when the inevitable Greek default occurs, it results in any banks becoming insolvent, that is the banks' problem as they are the ones who made the bad decision to lend money to Greece (or Italy, Portugal, Ireland, or Spain) . No taxpayer in any of the EU countries or elsewhere should be on the hook for the cost of risky decisions made by banks or any other corporation. The proper consequence is bankruptcy, that is what happens when businesses make too many bad decisions and become insolvent. Banks are are simply businesses. If they fail at their business, they should go bankrupt. Shareholder's value is wiped out, bondholders may take a hit, the lousy management is kicked out, the bad debts are written off, depositors are insured by the FDIC or CDIC, the remaining assets are sold and we have a new bank with a clean balance sheet.

There is absolutely no justification for politicians to be supporting failed businesses with taxpayer's money, or worse, money borrowed from those same failed businesses on behalf of taxpayers.
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10:37 PM on 09/23/2011
another propaganda tactic to hand over the people's hard earned money to the bankers. All this recession talk is completely fabricated for this very purpose, read up people. This is all a lie to get you to give out of your pocket until you have nothing to give anymore. The rich keep buying 8 million dollar homes and next week they're proclaiming hardship due to economic downturn, complete bs. This is a global problem an it won't stop unless we the people do something about it, there is enough wealth in this world to give every single human being on this earth a good life and then some.
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Kristopher Leang
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12:07 PM on 09/24/2011
id believe this although i dont know the extent of their shenanigans the fact ceos of bailed out companies were flying around on private jets company jets still for leisure i believe. this is a big economic problem that needs a drastic change. like the reagan era in america saw a shifting of policy and attitude. the rich are hoarding and playing by dangerous rules jeopardizing everyone. the banks should take the hit for this downturn, gov should maybe have a fund for poor and middle class peoples savings in that, but those rich can scrounge for themselves for once. if their skills are so valuable and warrant such a high pay they can earn it back
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03:22 PM on 09/24/2011
I'm sorry to say this but people of this side of the world are SOFT!!!! look at the middle east, they're throwing dictators with armies at their disposal off their ranks for godness sake, we can't even make citizen arrests on these no good doing bankers? with all our resources at our disposal? all the bankers who received bail out money bought homes worth 20 min, private jets and received bigger bonuses while the rest of us are all in debt just to pay for minimal purchases like a basic car, a basic home and such, how on earth is this possible?????? how can one person be afforded the luxury of living in a 20 million dollar home while most people are having hard time paying rent of 800/month, a hard time affording food etc.
they keep us entertained with dancing with the stars, star bucks coffee and nightclubs and most of us don't see the ground being taken under us. furthermore, they bombard us and keep us scared of people in the middle east while they are robbing all of us at home. wake up people wake up!
07:06 PM on 09/23/2011
another wrong headed conservative solution---------a bailout fund simply kicks the can down the road yet again--------in the past---the people demanded the government spend the money ---they also demanded lower taxes

the two demands are incompatible ----what is necessary is a politician who can say to the people you got the spending you wanted ----now pay for it ---we are raising yourt taxes -----closing every loophole and prosecuting the tax shelter users ---fat chance of that ------so the grandchildren pay for the excesses and greed of the current generation
02:35 PM on 09/23/2011
Helecopter Jim.. meet helicopter Ben.
So I guess we can read into this that when the storm hits the Canadian shores (as if it hasn't already) Good old Jim, along with Mark Carney, will fire up the printing presses here as well!)

Joy o bliss.
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Jeffery Cuneo
02:35 PM on 09/23/2011
This sure sounds like another massive transfer of public money into the hands of private banks. If one was smart and saw how on a global scale Governments are literally handing billions of dollars of our collective money to private bankers as well odd. How is this happening all over the globe. Our money, just... being GIVEN to them. It's an absolutely massive transfer of wealth - and what is weird is... why is this happening.

If it was just one country, okay sure, the economy is tough, blah blah, but globally, it's like the rats are fleeing the ship and taking as much as they can before it's too late.
01:15 PM on 09/23/2011
Staving off a collapse works only if you then act to modify the underlying systemic issues that caused the excess of risk that led to the collapse conditions. Since not one of our fearless leaders anywhere in the world is willing to do that, perhaps it is time to let the "too big to fail" concept fall aside. Yes, people will be hurt, but the choice here is not harm versus rescue, but harm now versus eventually much worse harm. To make lasting change you have to change the actual cause of these effects, not treat the symptoms.
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skbull44
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12:52 PM on 09/23/2011
...continued...

I pulled out of equities about a year ago and started buying physical gold and silver believing that the fiat currency system is based entirely on credit/debt and that there is little actual 'money' in the system. Holding this belief leads to a couple of actions that should be taken: reduce all of your debt ASAP, don't buy what you have to borrow for, live within your means at ALL times, and, start saving. Our economic growth 'paradigm' is no longer sustainable--we have to transition to zero growth as quickly as possible or we're screwed as a species!

Flaherty can go on all he wants about the stability of Canada, but when Europe falls apart the entire globe will be impacted, particularly the U.S. with whom Canada continues to have the bulk of its trade. The likelihood that China will continue to grow and purchase our natural resources is small given that Europe and the U.S. import $billions from them. Herein lies the problem with globalisation...

Canada, just as most G20 countries, has been 'growing' because of increasing debt, not because there is more money. The leaders want more liquidity in the market so that people will borrow more and keep the pyramid scheme afloat a bit longer...
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12:51 PM on 09/23/2011
It is not at all surprising that Jim Flaherty and his Canadian peers (politicians, policy-makers, corporate and banking CEOs) are coming out stating that Canada is fine and that Europe must deal with its problem to help everyone else.

Allowing Greece to default and recapitalising banks is wrong-headed. Placing billions of dollars/euros/whatever into the banks helps to prop up the elite more than the general masses.

The bankers continue to take risks with everyone's money; the bankers continue to receive hefty bonuses; the politicians continue to put good money after bad in the belief that governments can jumpstart the economy (FDR tried and failed during the 30s; reports say its costing the US treasury about $250,000 for each job it create); people continue to take on debt beyond what they can repay; and, we all kick the can a little further down the road thinking that economic growth is around the corner.

When are people going to wake up to the gathering evidence that our economic system, as currently practised, is a giant ponzi scheme that is beginning to unravel. I'm sure our elites realise this but can't say it as a run on the banks would certainly take place.

...to be continued...