Pollsters Question Influence Of Polls On Elections, Lambaste Media Coverage


First Posted: 09/25/2011 12:05 pm EDT Updated: 11/25/2011 4:12 am EST

OTTAWA - What if there had been no public opinion polls published during last spring's federal election campaign?

Would the NDP's orange wave have swept across the country if no one realized there was a wave to catch? Would support for the Liberals have collapsed so utterly? Would the Conservatives have captured their long-sought majority?

Such questions are not simply idle speculation.

Given the controversy swirling around the accuracy and methodological adequacy of polls, the professionalism of pollsters and the polling literacy of journalists who slavishly report them, questions about the influence of polls on election results are arguably key to the health of Canada's democracy.

The issue arose at a conference last week, where eight pollsters from the country's most prominent public opinion research firms discussed the lessons they've gleaned from last May's election.

"I do think this was an interesting election in that it's hard to deny that polls themselves had a major impact on the outcome of the election," said Derek Leebosh of Environics.

He said a CROP poll published shortly after the televised leaders' debate and showing the NDP had leapt into a commanding lead in Quebec was like "a depth charge" exploding in the campaign.

"Imagine if there had been no polling in the election campaign at all, nobody would have known that this phenomenon in Quebec was happening and the orange crush would never, may not, have spread into the rest of the country and even within Quebec people might not have thought the NDP was a realistic option."

Ekos Research's Frank Graves countered there's "strong evidence" the outcome wouldn't have changed much had there been no polls. Indeed, he argued there was no post-debate NDP surge, that his surveys showed NDP support "proceeding on a pretty placid, straight (upward) line" throughout the campaign.

Regardless, Graves maintained voters are "not that dumb;" even without polls they would've noticed the explosion of NDP lawn signs and anecdotal evidence of New Democrat popularity.

In any event, he said post-election polling found the vast majority of Canadians maintained they weren't influenced by the polls and, among those who were influenced, there was no clear pattern favouring one party over another.

Environics' Kevin Neuman was doubtful.

"People may say that (polls) don't influence, but it would influence the media and how the media cover the story and frame the story," he said, adding that the CROP poll "may have completely changed the media coverage."

While they disagreed about the impact of polls, there was consensus among pollsters at the conference that media coverage of them is often sorely wanting. Journalists, they agreed, are riveted on the bald horse race numbers, disregard issue-based surveys, misinterpret margins of error and make no distinction between proven and unproven polling methods.

The discussion was in many ways a polite echo of the rocket launched a couple weeks ago by Darrell Bricker and John Wright, top honchos at Canada's largest polling company, Ipsos Reid.

The duo penned an "open letter" to journalists covering the Ontario provincial election campaign, warning them that "some marginal pollsters" are counting on media ignorance and competitiveness to peddle "inferior" polls. They accused some unidentified pollsters of becoming "hucksters selling methodological snake oil" and some media outlets of publishing questionable polls simply because they support their editorial position.

"All of this MUST stop," the duo wrote. "We are distorting our democracy, confusing voters and destroying what should be a source of truth in election campaigns — the unbiased, truly scientific public opinion poll."

Graves pointed out that pollsters used to have stable relationships with specific media outlets that paid well for quality surveys. Today, he said, it's become a "sort of auction to the bottom," with pollsters giving their research to the media for free as a publicity tool. As a result, the quality of polls and the level of "methodological fluency" among journalists reporting on them have plunged.

It's not that pollsters are knowingly peddling "crappy" polls, he insisted. It's just that they can no longer afford to do surveys with the "level of depth and rigour that we'd really like to" because "polling budgets today are a fraction of what they used to be." And journalists don't seem to notice the difference.

"The understanding of basic issues — like what is a margin of error, or how do you create a good sample — is dramatically lower than it was back when they had really smart (media) guys ... who knew as much as the pollster."

Last winter, veteran pollster Allan Gregg publicly aired similar concerns in an interview with The Canadian Press — sparking an angry backlash from some fellow pollsters, including Bricker and Wright. At the time, Graves proposed the idea of a "blue-ribbon consortium" of public opinion researchers who could apply the highest standards to produce high quality political surveys "as a public service for the industry." No one took him up on it.

"The whole industry might come (out) ahead, much more so than this internecine thing that's emerged in the last year or two," he said.

That internecine squabbling has revolved largely around the different methodologies employed as pollsters grapple with how best to achieve a random sample of the entire population in an age when people vet their phone calls or, in many cases, use only cell phones. Some have moved to online polls, which involve self-selected respondents who sign up to be polled, or, like Ekos, now use automated phone surveys or "robo calling."

Bricker and Wright maintained in their letter that both robo-calling and online polls produce skewed results. But at the conference, most participants agreed that traditional phone and online polls in last May's election produced similar, relatively accurate results. Ekos underestimated Conservative support but, Graves argued, that wasn't a methodological problem so much as it was an inability to anticipate the disproportionate turn-out of Tory voters.

Whatever the drawbacks of the alternatives, it would seem traditional phone surveys are going the way of the dodo bird.

Ipsos representative Mike Colledge argued that no single method can produce a sample that reflects 100 per cent of the population and suggested that mixed polling methods are the way of the future. Leger pollster Richard Hobbs predicted that by the next federal election, very few pollsters will still be conducting phone surveys.

Graves said he's no pessimist; he's confident the industry will develop ways to ensure quality polling data and develop more poll-literate media partners.

"It's not a high-water point for us right now, let's be blunt. But that doesn't mean we should give up."

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Miller Time
01:34 PM on 09/26/2011
You put too much credence on polls. I have worked on campaigns where one team was seen to be so far ahead that it was a joke. They lost!

I would venture to say that more than 50% of voters have absolutely no idea what any election is about. They have a hard, if not impossible, time grasping the concept of what level government does what. Even worse, most of them have no idea who their MP or MPP is.

Since fewer than 70% of Canadians vote, and half of them have no idea of anything, and some of them don't know who their elected officials are, and most of the remainder have made their minds up already, then polls have little effect on the outcome.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
11:04 AM on 09/26/2011
Interesting the twisting about the Orange Wave - the article says if people had not known about the surge in Quebec the wave might not have spread elsewhere; to me that's the opposite of the truth, the wave was already happening, especially among youth voters, and it was the spectre of an NDP minority government, even an NDP majority government, which was used by pollsters and pundits to stampede people in Ontario who were going to vote NDP back to the Liberals, thereby fracturing the wave and giving us the current tyrannical majority we are faced with. Similarly, if the youth polls had not shown so clearly the wave of support in that voting bloc for the NDP the Conservatives might not have been so ready to mess with campus ballot boxes and shut down campus polling.

Polls are a form of advertising, plain and simple. People can say they're not influenced by them but they can say the same about Advil and Tylenol ads, they're influenced by all that repeition and suggestion even if they tell themselves they aren't. Many countries don't allow polling during a campaign for a very good reason, and it's obvious - the impact on people making up their mind is too biased, as are the polls themselves, and the spin-analysis that comes with each one.

cont.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
11:15 AM on 09/26/2011
Another consideration is that for polling companies with political affiliations, like Ipsos Reid to the Grits or Decima/Allan Gregg to the Tories ("the man who sold us Brian Mulroney") they constitute partisan advertising and are really undeclared campaign spending.

Ban them, it's that simple. Let the politicians hang themselves with their own ropes, without having polls to refer to to double-guess the voters by twisting and manipulating and lying to fool the public, and let the public decide without having to be told what they're going to do on the basis of a 1500 people or less nationwide talking to pollsters, answering jerry-rigged questions designed to elicit the desired response. Blaming problems on fringe pollsters is just a way for the big polling companies to maintain their hold on the very lucrative market they enjoy (at our expense).

My belief is that without the polls being used to inflame anti-NDP hysteria, we'd have seen Jack Layton die in office as Prime Minister.....yes, we'd have a lameduck government right now, with an interim Prime Minister. But better interim than Prime Minister-for-Life, which is what Stephen Harper is now engineering for himself....

Having 1500 people used to manipulate the outcome of an election in a country of 34 million people is absurd.
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greysells2
grey cells matter
09:12 AM on 09/26/2011
It is not always easy to not follow the herd. I remember still the hype going on in the coffee shops and resturants to invest in a gas well nearby. I was pressured by the many who did to do the same. I kept my powder dry and my hard earned money in my pocket. Friends and acquaintences who fell for the hype lost a lot of money on what turned out to be a fraudulent business. Don't listen to gossip.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
03:28 AM on 09/26/2011
no one will publicly acknowledge that Jack Layton would have become PM on the surge which had crested only after increased poll data. He would have died as PM, and the party would have a new PM but it still would have been sweet to see Harper lose. When Harper won everyone around me myself included were just dumbfounded. How could the country be this stupid?

FPTP is killing the country. Hasn't been a popular vote to match the incoming government since 1984 with Mulroney. That's a long time to wait for change. Change isn't coming fast enough.
10:04 AM on 09/26/2011
I wish I could understand exactly what it is you are writing.

Seems contradictory to me. Seems you are taking your wishes for reality,

How can you say that Saint Jack Layton would have been PM and acknowledge the issues with FPTP?

That Canada is stupid for electing Harper is beyond doubt, I have to agree with you there.

I don't have a crystal ball mind you, but it seems clear to me that splitting the left of centre vote will only provide The Prophet of the West with another majority.

If you can appreciate the damage he will do to the country in the next four years, another four will be a total catastrophe, but it seems to me that a full-throttle NDP supporter like you prefers living in his belief of ideological purity rather than deal with political reality unvarnished as it is.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
05:59 PM on 09/26/2011
I'm not a full throttle NDP supporter. This article is about polls. Had the polls been shut up prior and during the vote, I am suggesting an alternative outcome whether true or not. It was my impression that many voters changed their minds upon hearing of an NDP surge. Had they not been influenced the result may have been different, or a minority. Try not to read more into it than that.

But yeah, the only facade is the one that thinks that Harper will fall next time in 4 years. If the centre-left has not merged by then, it will never happen.
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Cariboofly
Aye, Ready, Aye & Semper Fi
11:39 PM on 09/25/2011
"Would the NDP's orange wave have swept across the country......." REALLY? And I was quite sure they had just "swept" across Quebec.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:13 PM on 09/25/2011
Just one more reason for the Harper Government to say, hey maybe poll results shouldn't be available until after the election as in a summary or conclusionary statement to a position. The outcome of CROP suggests the election can be directed my polling events. Could the party control their vote through polling?

Any opinions?
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Russg
09:26 PM on 09/25/2011
I certainly think that democracies around the world would be more vibrant and more accurately represent the views of the people if there were not polls. So many people are so focused on the polls that they would prefer to vote for a winner, or vote strategically, rather than vote for who best represents their views.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:16 PM on 09/25/2011
Is that ever true. Also is the fact that people who favour a party are more likely to vote as insurance rather than say, "I won't vote as they look like a winner". Further, I might be more interested in voting for someone I thought wasn't going to win therefore wasting my vote when in fact I would be recharged, excited and more willing to vote.
07:53 PM on 09/25/2011
Something that did influence the election was dirty politics and ugly rumours.

My sister astonished me before the election by commenting, "Yes, but that Ignatieff guy is a crook, isn't he?" What gave her that idea, I asked.

Well, down at the coffee shop the tale was circulating that Ignatieff had been out of the country for years because of some illegal activity. "Why else would he leave Canada for so long?" was the refrain.

When I explained to my sister that he'd been teaching at Oxford and Harvard for all those years, she was both impressed and completely confused at how teaching at prestigious universities could be confused with criminal activity.

Only in the minds of the extreme neocons, I guess.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:17 PM on 09/25/2011
She needs to do some proper enquiry and not listen to goofs. What does that have to do with polls?
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SayBlade
This micro bio intentionally left blank.
11:26 PM on 09/25/2011
She was probably reading the comments on NatPo and G&M instead of reading any of the articles.
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Cariboofly
Aye, Ready, Aye & Semper Fi
11:41 PM on 09/25/2011
Or the extreme lefties who have been claiming " a hidden agenda" for how long now?