Crime Bill: Conservatives Force Early Vote On Massive Omnibus Legislation, Opposition Cries Foul

First Posted: 09/27/11 12:24 PM ET Updated: 11/27/11 05:12 AM ET

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The Conservative government is flexing its majority muscle, forcing an early vote in Parliament on a massive crime bill that critics say will send Canada down the route of the failed U.S. war on drugs. (Flickr: haven't the slightest)

OTTAWA - The Conservative government is using its majority muscle to push through Parliament a massive crime bill that provides harsher penalties for pot growers than pedophiles.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said the legislation, made up of nine bills that were introduced in previous years, "is an investment to better protect Canadians in their homes and make them feel safer in their communities."

But just how large an investment, and how it will impact crime levels, remain open questions.

Joe Comartin, the NDP justice critic, said the bill is an uncosted hodge-podge of measures that include the good, the bad and the ugly.

"If you're a mid-level trafficker in drugs, including marijuana, you can get up to 14 years. If you're the same person but you sexually assault — rape — a baby, you can only get up to 10 years," said Comartin.

New mandatory minimum sentences are also harsher for drug crimes, in some instances, than for sexually assaulting a child.

"That's right in this bill," said Comartin.

Tough new laws on Internet luring of children and grooming children for sexual purposes are supported across all party lines, said the NDP critic, and could have been passed before last spring's election if the Conservative-dominated Senate had acted more swiftly.

No one appears to have a firm grip on how much the new crime measures will cost. Prison expansion, new corrections officers, additional court resources and the six-figure price tag for incarcerating a prisoner for each full year all add to the bottom line.

Parliamentary Budget Officer Kevin Page said Tuesday there are big expenditures that are starting to happen, but he has not seen a price tag for the overall plan, something he says Parliament and Canadians need to know.

Page estimated that, based on the pieces of information he's cobbled together, the cost of the government's tough-on-crime agenda is upwards of $3 billion.

"What we would like to be able to do is track the spending quarter by quarter, relative to the overall plan, but we don't have that overall plan in terms of what that aggregate cost will be," he said.

The NDP want to hive off three controversial aspects of the bill and pass the non-contentious stuff — including the child sex crime offences — at all stages immediately.

Comartin proposed to Parliament that three aspects of the 102-page legislation be separated out for further debate:

— Barring anyone with more than three indictable convictions from ever being allowed to apply for a criminal records pardon.

— Setting new, mandatory, minimum sentences for growing six or more marijuana plants, among other drug offences.

— Centralizing and politicizing control over the transfer of Canadians imprisoned abroad back to Canada.

"Some we could agree with, but we would like to have the time for Canadians and us to raise questions, to answer and propose amendments if necessary," said Nycole Turmel, the NDP's interim leader. "But that’s not what they decided to do."

In a parliamentary show of force, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's MPs out-voted the NDP, Liberal, Bloc Quebecois and Green party MPs in the House 158-133, punting the bill to a Conservative-dominated committee before a third and final vote sometime later this fall.

The Conservatives said they would pass the legislation within 100 sitting days of the new Parliament, elected last May 2. Given the parliamentary calendar, the government has until well into 2012 to fulfil its campaign promise.

Tuesday's vote kicked off two days of debate on the crime bill on the floor of the House of Commons.

Liberal MP Frank Valeriotte argued that Conservatives speak derisively of the principle of rehabilitation that was put into Canada's sentencing regime 40 years ago.

"Where have crime rates gone over the last 40 years?" he asked.

Liberal colleague Judy Foote, noting crime rates are at their lowest level since 1973, responded: "This government is trying to fix something that isn't broken."

Conservative MP Larry Miller made a pitch based on the legislation's gut appeal, stronger penalties for child sexual exploitation.

"I'll tell you, Mr. Speaker, as a grandfather of a six- and three-year-old granddaughter, this means a lot to somebody like me," said the rural Ontario MP.

"The stronger the laws we can make to protect our children and the vulnerable, it shouldn't even be a question as to support for this bill."

Comartin later noted that he, too, has grandchildren.

"The difference here is we could have that law in place so Larry Miller and myself and other people who are really concerned about our kids could see that (exploitation) law in place in the next few weeks, as opposed to four or six months, which is what it'll take if we keep it combined," said the New Democrat.

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olitenup
12:06 PM on 09/29/2011
So...has privatized prisons come to Canada? More time for pot than rape? Really?
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maurage
07:07 PM on 09/28/2011
Alabama 1957, here we come. Crime bill, Abortion back on the front burner (40 years after Morgental), dead of the public financing of federal elections etc. I miss the time of minority governments.
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maurage
07:10 PM on 09/28/2011
i meant MorgentalER, SORRY
07:05 PM on 09/27/2011
We are entering the most perilous economical times since the 1920s and our government is moving blindly on a “Crime Bill” that knows no cost. This is again a show of bluster by a braggart rightist group out to sell motion for progress. Poor Mr Miller, your grandchildren will grow up in abhorrence of the debt load that this Bill will impose upon them WITHOUT even scratching at the surface of sexual exploitation – IF it is ever implemented. (“Conservative MP Larry Miller made a pitch based on the legislation's gut appeal, stronger penalties for child sexual exploitation. "I'll tell you, Mr. Speaker, as a grandfather of a six- and three-year-old granddaughter, this means a lot to somebody like me," said the rural Ontario MP.”)
Is this your priority? Is this why Canadians gave you a majority? What are you doing for healthcare? for our failing economy? Our grandchildren, our children and ourselves will need that sort of help way before 5-6 more prisons are built in PC strongholds…or maybe in Tony Clement’s riding, right beside the fake lake to give the inmates better ‘zen’ moments as they watch from their balcony…
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tooldude
06:45 PM on 09/27/2011
I suppose you could just decide not to smoke dope or break other laws.
06:31 PM on 09/27/2011
harpo promised transparency in gov't and now canadians are paying the price

bye bye democracy
hello harpo hunta
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LittleSanityLeft
06:07 PM on 09/27/2011
"The costs of imprisoning more people, for longer periods of time, have not been fully explained by the government, nor has the full cost of prison expansion been detailed. Lawyers and criminologists say the new laws, particularly the drug provisions, will require more court resources due to more charges and less plea bargaining."

I've said it before, all this is an attempt to give validity to a private penitentiary system. The burden can't be put on the tax payer or the provinces so what other recourse is there?
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
05:32 PM on 09/27/2011
This is quite despicable. There should be mass protest about this. Harper does NOT have a majority vote, only because of vote splitting. He does not represent the majority with 24% of the total population, or 40% of the election total.

Stop Harper.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
05:41 PM on 09/27/2011
These goons must be stopped by the only thing that they hate the most, Nice Canadians!
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Runey
religion is why we can't have nice things.
05:24 PM on 09/27/2011
FFS!! This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality for which they were found in contempt. they brush off skepticism and criticism and blatantly ignore the facts while pushing their agenda.

How can anyone support this?

S.O.A.D. :
"All research and successful drug policy shows
That treatment should be increased
And law enforcement decreased
While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

Utilizing drugs to pay for
Secret wars around the world
Drugs are now your global policy
Now you police the globe "
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
05:49 PM on 09/27/2011
The actions of citizens in doing nothing ensures that they will do everything they can.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
09:10 PM on 09/27/2011
Good point Runey. By not tabling figures in the Commons, they can't be accused (or charged) with contempt of Parliament. Even quoting their speculative figures with any kind of range leaves them open to the charge of lying about numbers. Instead they cite no numbers at all, only their own assertions that what they believe and/or claim is correct and that statistics are irrelevant.

There's something ultra-constitutional about this. I can't name the particular constitutional principle - but reigning with no regard to reality or government-assembled data about this is very much like climate denial or insisting that the world was created in seven days. Oh, six, that is, as He/She/It rested on the seventh day, right? Policies, even legislation, invoked contrary to facts must somehow be illegal and perhaps stoppable by the Supreme Court.

Similarly, there conceivably could be a court challenge to the constitutionality of ALL anti-marijuana laws. Organizations like NORML have talked about that for years, but if there was ever a court appeal launched, I don't recall it. Bundling them with anti-terror, sex crime and gang legislation is, as we all now, immoral and unfair.

Apparently modern Harper-style Christians don't really care about anything but their own twisted morality . they want to build God's Kingdom on Earth by doing away with all those parts of Canadian society which are contrary to God's laws etc.....imagine the sermons you hear in those churches during election season, sheesh!
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
04:33 PM on 09/27/2011
Clearly what needs to happen is everyone in Canada needs to grow 6 marijuana plants, and call the police office to turn themselves in all at the same time. Completely clog up the system with something utterly ridiculous.

While I'm being sarcastic, that's probably going to be the end result anyways. Laws against marijuana in Canada are weak to start with (rightly and intelligently so) The crime rate is only going to go up because the bill is making a petty action a jail-able offense.

Save the cells for the pedophiles, rapists, and violent offenders; please and thank you. I care little about the 'moral degradation' of society because people do whatever they do to themselves, and most times do not get others involved. One of the big causers of violent crime are drug transactions gone wrong, and that ends up being settled by street justice and guns. People wouldn't die if it such transactions were settled by the courts and police. You know, just like how anyone else is treated when they attempt to ditch on a bill.
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04:18 PM on 09/27/2011
The first time I find someone going to jail for simple pot possession will be the first day I will turn a blind eye to any criminal activity other than murder.
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
08:59 PM on 09/27/2011
Already common in the Maritimes (six months for as little as a joint).
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
04:11 PM on 09/27/2011
the picture sums up this crime policy perfect. old, outdated and draconian. its a universally accepted "us style FAILED crime policy. notice the "FAIL" there people? now what does this mean? it means that all experts in the field (and there is probably the greatest amount are agreeing in this particular area) agree that this time of crime policy does not reduce crime, it doesn't reduce drugs and is overkill. Not only is this view widely held by the majority of canadians, its infact also held in europe, and even the US as average citizens have realized the govenrment may have lied... alot...yet again though facts are not good enough for this government or the US one, who we seem to be following around like a faithful hound
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
04:09 PM on 09/27/2011
The crime rate is already going in the right direction. This bill is a scam.
04:04 PM on 09/27/2011
If anyone wants to see what Canada is going to look like in 4 years just pay attention to what is going on in that zoo to the south of our Country.
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tooldude
05:21 PM on 09/27/2011
The American liberals do seem to be in quite a mess.
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stanschurman
03:55 PM on 09/27/2011
Wont it be ironic that, when the voters have the good sense to vote the Harper mob out of office, their crime bill comes back to bite them and a few of their own end up in one of the shiney new slammers.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
04:11 PM on 09/27/2011
ironically their crime bill will never "come to bite them" because none of the crime the elites are involved nomrally involved are included in this bill. we might as (besides for the parts getting creepsters) well call this the poor and middle class crime bill, because that is who is going to be sent to jail for this "crime bill"
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stanschurman
04:46 PM on 09/27/2011
Yes, that's true. They would never design a law to hurt their friends a contributors. Maybe we can hide one joint on each of them and turn them in.
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03:50 PM on 09/27/2011
Marijuana?
Harper must think Reefer Madness was a documentary?

Statistics show that more than 6 million Canadians smoke pot.
Where are they supposed to get it now? From a guy with 5 plants?

Compare that 6 million (which is probably on the low side) to 375,000
Jewish Canadians who got the speach they wanted from our government
at the UN contrary to most Canadians feelings on the matter.

More people in jail. What a freakin idiot.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
04:13 PM on 09/27/2011
yes this governemtn seems to like to throw our friends, family and fellow canadians in jail and invoke power over them. its kind of disgusting but like harpo and his baby booms+ chickenhawks, they fear anything they dont partake in and take americans at their word
05:14 PM on 09/27/2011
F&F"d 1can