Poverty In Canada: Preventive Approach Could Save Billions, Advisory Body Says

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First Posted: 09/28/11 11:49 AM ET Updated: 11/28/11 05:12 AM ET

The federal government could save billions of dollars if it tackled the roots of poverty, says a new report from a government advisory body.

The report from the National Council of Welfare urges the governing Tories to take a long-term "investment" approach to preventing poverty, rather than a short-term program spending approach.

It says the public cost of poverty is easily $25 billion a year, and climbing — all while the poverty rate does not improve.

"The costs and consequences of poverty are much larger than direct spending on social programs. We see the total costs when indirect and societal costs are taken into account," the report says.

The council has been able to look at the cost of poverty in a way that federal departments can't, said Conservative Senator Hugh Segal, who has long been involved in poverty eradication.

Federal departments analyze poverty programs with a simple cost-benefit analysis, while the council report is able to look at "the cost of inertia, the cost of not doing anything," Segal said.

But the new report uses hard numbers to link poverty to the cost of productivity, health care and the justice system, he added.

"It's a very good way to encourage public debate and discussion."

The long-term preventive approach would eventually save taxpayers significant amounts in emergency health care, prisons, shelters and other social services that are used in floundering attempts to keep poverty under wraps, the report says.

There's a catch. Overhauling social supports would require up-front funding.

"An investment model is geared towards the longer term," says the report titled "The Dollars and Sense of Solving Poverty." "It may require larger initial resources and may take time, but there will be a far greater and more permanent pay-off."

While many an anti-poverty advocate has argued that reducing poverty would also reduce health-care costs, the council's report documents case after case of communities saving money by changing their approach.

A homeless person in Calgary, for example, can run up $42,000 a year in costs at emergency shelters. Putting that person in a prison or psychiatric hospital would cost about $120,000. But giving that person access to supportive housing and social services would cost between $13,000 and $18,000, the report says.

Similarly, about 20 per cent of health-care spending in Canada is attributed to socio-economic factors such as income, the report says, citing research from the Public Health Agency of Canada.

"Canadians are paying the most in the least productive areas, trying to fix costly problems linked to inequality, insecurity and poverty that are preventable," the report states.

The council recognizes there is a general public concern that spending money on the poor would come at a cost to other people and services.

But it argues that poverty reduction benefits society at large, and not just the poor.

Pressure on hospitals would be alleviated. The Canadian population would have higher levels of literacy and numeracy, benefiting the economy. And a healthier workforce would dramatically reduce companies' costs of absenteeism.

The council, tasked with advising the federal government on dealing with poverty, says Ottawa should start by setting out a long-term vision that identifies needed resources and sets up a way to measure success.

The recommendations are similar to those put forward by Canada Without Poverty. In its pre-budget submission, the national activists' group urges the federal government to set firm targets and timelines to reduce poverty, and work with all levels of government to that end.

Both groups warn that dealing with poverty is a far more efficient way to reduce crime than passing tough crime legislation that would hit the poor hard.

"People who face poverty combined with other factors such as addiction, mental illness and discrimination, and who are mixed with those inclined to inflict evil on these victims, equals crime," the pre-budget submission states.

But the federal government has repeatedly resisted calls for a national anti-poverty strategy, saying such issues are better dealt with by local and provincial levels of government.

And, indeed, most provincial governments are seized with designing new, long-term anti-poverty strategies. But they also argue that they have neither the scope nor the money to do it alone.

"It is still a hard sell. Poverty is a hard sell. It shouldn't be, because it costs everybody," said Liberal Senator Art Eggleton, who led a massive study on poverty two years ago, only to see it dismissed by the federal Tories.

"Our future prosperity may well depend on how we address our current level of poverty. I quite simply don't believe we can afford poverty any more."

Human Resources Minister Diane Finley will be less likely to ignore this anti-poverty report than others, added Segal. That's because it comes from a group of advisers chosen by the government for their apolitical work in the field.

"It should have greater impact."

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06:55 PM on 09/28/2011
i'm just a layman ..but being that CANADA will be the largest exporter of oil to the USA ..WHERE IN THE WORLD IS ALL THAT MONEY GOING TO . how could this country with all its wealth have POVERTY... CAN SOMEONE RESPOND PLEASE ... GIVE A GOOD EXPLANATION
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sillyfrog
Pastafarian and UU student
04:54 PM on 09/28/2011
Well don't use logic, scare people.
12:44 PM on 09/28/2011
This strikes me as a far better expense of government time and resources than the crime bill - as it actually addresses an existing problem. I was especially caught by this line:

"A homeless person in Calgary, for example, can run up $42,000 a year in costs at emergency shelters. Putting that person in a prison or psychiatric hospital would cost about $120,000. But giving that person access to supportive housing and social services would cost between $13,000 and $18,000, the report says."
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Nadine Lumley
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11:19 AM on 09/28/2011
Canada: September 2011

snip snip: Trustees with the Vancouver School Board say they're paying attention to the problems being raised by grade two and three teacher Carrie Gelson.

She created an open letter saying her students often came to school cold, hungry, and stressed.

http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/281854--help-comes-in-for-teacher-with-hungry-and-cold-kids

http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/cassia-kelly-kantrow/a-letter-from-a-teacher-at-seymour-elementary-located-in-the-dtes-let-me-know-if/10150383564943980
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Nadine Lumley
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11:19 AM on 09/28/2011
Billions for Corporate Welfare.

Nothing for hungry cold kids in Canada.

Nice Canada, real nice.


http://www.news1130.com/news/local/article/281854--help-comes-in-for-teacher-with-hungry-and-cold-kids
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sillyfrog
Pastafarian and UU student
04:54 PM on 09/28/2011
Same here in the good ole USA.
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Nadine Lumley
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11:19 AM on 09/28/2011
In Canada - The Children go without eating.
In Canada - The Native people go without water.
In Canada - The Homeless go without housing.
In Canada - The Elderly go without medicines.
In Canada - The Mentally Ill go without treatment.
In Canada - The Prisoners go without rehabilitation.
In Canada - Our Troops are sent away to kill.
In Canada - Our Veterans go without promised benefits.

Yet we donate billions to other countries [i.e. Israel] re fake war machine before helping our own people first.



http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2011/08/15/18553656.html
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Rick Woolums
redneck liberal
04:01 PM on 09/28/2011
wait are you sure you are talking about Canada and not the U.S. you have just explained and spelled out the exact same issues we have with our political leaders here. our children do without so that our corporations can prosper..our priorities as citizens have to change and it has to be made clear to our political leaders we will not stand for this any longer. we will not allow our children to suffer so that the mighty can reign.we will not accept our soldiers, some who have made the ultimate sacrifice, to be ignored. bring our soldiers home.
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Nadine Lumley
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11:17 AM on 09/28/2011
You can't collect bribes unless big business is building something we don't need like prisons etc. There are no cash perqs to collect from welfare kids and mentally ill homeless men.
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Nadine Lumley
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11:16 AM on 09/28/2011
When people are poor, out of work or homeless, it hurts the bottom line of all Canadians. And as the country struggles to maintain a shaky recovery amid growing global economic uncertainty, that’s not a hit they can afford to take.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/how-paying-peoples-way-out-of-poverty-can-help-us-all/article2011940/
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Nadine Lumley
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11:16 AM on 09/28/2011
Poverty Myths in Canada

Why do poverty myths persist? I don’t know the answer to that question, the findings break my heart. The Canadian Salvation Army released a report today on Canadian attitudes and beliefs about poverty.

http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2011/03/01/canadians-cling-to-poverty-myths-the-salvation-army/

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/Report+finds+poverty+myths+rampant/4362957/story.html

http://dignity.salvationarmy.ca/
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Nadine Lumley
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11:16 AM on 09/28/2011
Repost from Mike Klein - Remember Joe Clark's guaranteed annual income idea which dies when he lost the non-confidence vote. (I still think that was a mistake on the part of the Liberals whom I support, by the way.)

Joe's program was actually tested, or a version of it, in New York City. It had nothing but positive results, even managed to bring long term unemployed to a level of income where their taxes paid back their support in a matter of a few years.

Of course joe's idea had at least one other plus and that was great simplification in administration. High income earners would lose the government income through taxation clawbacks. Still think it has a lot of merit.
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Nadine Lumley
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11:16 AM on 09/28/2011
“I say, ‘Why don’t you cut the taxes of the most overtaxed people?’ It isn’t Ed Clark,” the Toronto-Dominion Bank CEO said in an interview earlier this year.

“It’s the people at the low end, because they face the highest marginal tax rates.”

When people are poor, out of work or homeless, it hurts the bottom line of all Canadians. And as the country struggles to maintain a shaky recovery amid growing global economic uncertainty, that’s not a hit they can afford to take.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-paying-peoples-way-out-of-poverty-can-help-us-all/article2011940/
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Nadine Lumley
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11:16 AM on 09/28/2011
How paying people’s way out of poverty can help us all

Despite Canada’s reputation for a strong social safety net, the country is becoming economically polarized.

And the decades-old dominant economic dogma that growing wealth among society’s highest earners would trickle down to those less fortunate is being challenged by an alternative approach:

Eliminate crushing poverty among the lowest earners, and wealth will trickle up.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-paying-peoples-way-out-of-poverty-can-help-us-all/article2011940/

Homelessness costs taxpayers money – in both foregone wealth and social service spending. As evidence of the social and financial costs of inequality mounts, a growing body of research indicates paying to get people out of poverty can be an economic boon.
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Nadine Lumley
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11:16 AM on 09/28/2011
Research Profile - Life in a Town Without Poverty

Dr. Evelyn ForgetA new look at a radical experiment in Manitoba 35 years ago shows that guaranteeing people an annual income leads to better health

http://www.cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/40308.html

"Politically, there was a concern that if you began a guaranteed annual income, people would stop working and start having large families," says Dr. Forget, who presented her findings this year at the Institut national d'études démographiques in Paris. "But we found that, if anything, birth rates among the youngest women declined."
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Nadine Lumley
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11:15 AM on 09/28/2011
Here is what Forget’s research has already shown:

• During the GAI experiment, Dauphin had a dramatically lower rate of hospital admissions than similar communities in Manitoba.

• Its high-school dropout rate fell and stayed down for a generation.

• It had fewer accidents, serious injuries, arrests and convictions.

• Consultations for mental illness declined.

• And, contrary to policy-makers’ fears, people in Dauphin did not stop working or reduce their hours to get “free” money from the government.

“In all of the indicators I could find for quality of life, people did better,” Forget says.


But she can’t do a proper cost-benefit analysis. “Someone needs to estimate the savings associated with reduced bureaucracy, better education and health outcomes and probably lower costs associated with crime and special education,” she told The Uniter, a student newspaper at the University of Winnipeg.
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Nadine Lumley
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11:15 AM on 09/28/2011
Sitting tantalizingly in a warehouse in Winnipeg are 2,000 boxes of information about one of the most fascinating social policy experiments in Canadian history.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/920145--goar-anti-poverty-success-airbrushed-out#article

The experiment began in 1974. It was designed to test the concept of a guaranteed annual income in a small, fairly typical, community. Dauphin, a rural municipality of 13,000 midway between Winnipeg and Regina, was chosen at the behest of former Manitoba premier Ed Schreyer.

The city’s low-income residents were lifted and kept out of poverty, using a negative income tax. (Canada Revenue Agency topped up their income if it fell below the poverty line.) They could use the money as they chose.