Occupy Toronto: Protesters Splinter, Bay Street Action Fizzles

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First Posted: 10/17/11 05:00 AM ET Updated: 10/19/11 04:31 PM ET

TORONTO - A call to make a big splash in the heart of Canada's financial district as the workweek began caused a few ripples early Monday but ended with some waves as Occupy Bay Street protesters clogged up downtown streets during the evening rush hour.

About a hundred demonstrators carrying placards and waving flags marched from their base in a downtown park to the corner of King and Bay streets before moving to Yonge and Dundas, where they sat in the middle of the busy intersection.

The protesters arranged themselves into the shape of a "99%" in the middle of the street, a reference to their belief that the corporate system favours the wealthy elite but disregards the masses, or the 99 per cent.

The march caused several road closures and transit delays.

Police escorted the protesters during the peaceful evening march, which came after a small morning demonstration near the Toronto Stock Exchange and a lunchtime march to Ryerson University for an event marking Social Justice Week.

Like their Wall Street counterparts, who took over a Manhattan plaza a month ago, the Occupy Toronto protesters decry a system they say serves only the elites.

Peter Poulos, 27, was one of only about two dozen demonstrators who turned up for the morning protest, saying he wanted to take a "proactive approach."

"(My girlfriend) says to me: 'You might be the only one down there,' and I be like, 'If I am, I'm proud of that'," said Poulos, who had called for a big march via Facebook.

"Not many people will ever do this."

Poulos, a York University philosophy major, said he wanted economic fairness and equality.

As he passed by the clutch of protesters on Bay Street on Monday morning, Scott Crone appeared bemused.

Despite reading up on the movement, Crone, who works for an insurance company, said he was still a bit confused by it.

"I've had a hard time hearing an articulate reason for what they're protesting," Crone said.

"I don't think the average person knows what (the demonstrators) are talking about."

What began a month ago as a few dozen people camping out in a small Manhattan park near the rising World Trade Center complex swelled to hundreds of thousands of people around the world this weekend, with numerous encampments springing up in cities large and small.

Hundreds of protesters mingled with bemused bank workers Monday in a new tent camp outside London's St. Paul's Cathedral. In Seattle, police arrested people who wouldn't move their tents from a park. And in New York, nearly $300,000 in cash has been donated through the movement's website and by visitors to the park, said Bill Dobbs, a press liaison for Occupy Wall Street.

But aside from Saturday's dramatic flood of thousands of people into the streets of cities across Canada, the movement north of the border — still in its infancy — has so far paled in comparison to its older, more robust cousin at the heart of the U.S. financial district.

Montreal protester Jean-Pascal Labelle admits the Canadian movement is not organized and has no demands to make of government.

"We need to get started by talking collectively, so I think that's what's important right now," he said Monday. "So the movement is going to grow and get more precise."

The Toronto protesters moved into St. James Park on Saturday, pitching tents, debating aims and procedures at "general assemblies," and attempting to get themselves organized.

After a cold, wet weekend, the sun broke out Monday morning over the park, a few blocks east of Bay Street.

As he sat on the park's gazebo, Zach, 22, said people had come together to talk about improving the system and that's how change would happen.

"It's not going to be by voting for the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right," said Zach, who refused to give his last name.

"It's going to be the people standing up and taking back the power."

Similar camps have been set up in cities across Canada.

In a rainy Halifax, a dozen soaked tents lined the periphery of the Grand Parade in front of city hall on Monday, as cardboard signs expressing frustration and anger lay limp on the ground.

James Green, a spokesman for Occupy Nova Scotia, said the protesters planned to stay for the time being to push their message of social justice and economic equality.

"We are all watching the other occupations take place around the world, and we know that we are going to face rain and things worse than rain," Green said.

Montreal demonstrators weren't letting chilly temperatures get them down as some 200 people have set up tents across the street from the Montreal Stock Exchange tower.

"People are still adding tents every hour," said Matthew Rytz.

He said the movement is not about fighting for one issue.

"It's about the state of the world," he said.

"People have the feeling that something is wrong and we have to get together to see if we can find solutions or at least see where we're going."

Across the country in Vancouver, where thousands protested on Saturday, the dozens of people still camped outside the Vancouver Art Gallery on Monday said they were in for the long haul.

One of them, Ethan Painchaud, 19, suggested that blocking some of the city's main streets might further their cause.

"I don't agree with violence, but we do need to get attention," Painchaud said.

Glen Whitlock, 54, said he was there to ensure the protests don't get ugly.

"I'm willing to risk my well-being to stop the violence if it does happen," Whitlock said.

In Edmonton, protesters are staying at a private park owned by Melcor.

The company's CEO Ralph Young told CTV that his company has respectfully asked the demonstrators to leave the property by 10 a.m. Tuesday.

— With files from Terri Theodore, Peter Ray and The Associated Press.

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Organizer Daniel Roth had lost much of his voice by Sunday at St. James Park, but said the previous day's general assembly yielded a lot of progress. They decided on creating committees for media, facilitation, food, logistics and sanitation, just to name a few.

There are daily assemblies, sometimes twice a day, to decide on what actions the protesters can agree upon. Still, the group was significantly smaller on day two, with only around 200 people in the park on Sunday morning.

"Right now, we're getting to the roots of why is there economic injustice," he said. "We're analyzing these issues and developing radical means for solving these problems. We can begin to close the wealth gap tomorrow." (The Huffington Post/Scaachi Koul)
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
05:49 PM on 10/17/2011
I love it when the circus comes to town!
cdnman
Still a free spirit...
07:17 PM on 10/17/2011
Is that all there is to a circus?
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05:03 PM on 10/17/2011
"Older people, he said, need to do some soul searching."

The good thing about being older is that not only have I had plenty of time to soul search, but I have had the benefit of experience.

In particular, I've seen the results of communist governments supposedly based on "equality" (as some of the protesters advocate) and it is ugly indeed -- far worse than anything free enterprize offers up.

So while I'm open to ways to improve the worst abuses of free enterprize, don't ask me to call for its destruction, for I'm not that dumb.
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gravescanada
06:26 AM on 10/18/2011
Maybe you have not heard, but the damage done to the global community and capitalism by Stock Markets, Hedge fund managers, and the Big Banks is not over yet. We have yet to see how far down things will go, thanks to unfettered Wall Street investors and their schemes, IE bundling mortgages togeather that were junk and giving them a triple aaa credit rating. We will see how far down we can go. And on a side note, I dont believe anyone is saying "Lets try communism" but for what its worth, our biggest corporations around the globe are moving factories to China and while they are starting to see a slowdown, they have weathered this global financial catastrophe pretty well. I mean, in the 1970's and 1980's you did not go to the soviet union to start up a company, because they were communists. China is a communist nation that has allowed some capitalism, but their companies are all backed by China, most owned by the Communist Govenrment.
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11:16 AM on 10/18/2011
You forgot governments who encourage -- at time even strong-armed -- banks to make poor loans, the treasury who kept interest rates low, home buyers who went on a speculative buying spree, and the average consumer who ran massive credit card debt.

The idea that it was all business's fault is a massive-- but convenient -- myth.

And tons of people at the rallies are saying "Let's try communism".
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CanadaStan
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03:51 PM on 10/17/2011
The Tea Party condemned the bailouts and the media concluded they were racists.
Does this mean the Occupy protesters are racists as well?

And why no coverage of the real racism on display at the Occupy protests?
Youtube has lots of examples, it's so obvious that even the consensus media should be able to find at least some of it....
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timedalkat
04:40 PM on 10/17/2011
Huh?
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greenmonk
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05:03 PM on 10/17/2011
Wha..?
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CanadaStan
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03:49 PM on 10/17/2011
It IS nice to see them come around to the T-Party and Sarah Palin way of thinking and condemn the bailouts, too bad the rest of what they are saying is incomphrensible gibberish.
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04:28 PM on 10/17/2011
Gibberish compared to what?
That Africa is not a continent?

I mean that incident by in itself displays her IQ level.
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CanadaStan
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04:59 PM on 10/17/2011
Nah, gibberish from dummies who beleive everything they hear:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/palin_africacontinent_statements_prove_to_be_a_hoax/
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greenmonk
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05:16 PM on 10/17/2011
Please don't put the words "thinking" and "Palin" in the same sentence.

The T-Party doesn't know what they want. Some condemn the bailouts, but then FOX News and the Koch Brothers who fund them remind them to concentrate on supporting tax breaks for billionaires and the Wall Street crowd, and to pay for that.... cutting their own benefits they have paid into all their lives. Stupid Stupid people. My gawd you wouldn't want universal health care like all the other western nations enjoy.....that would be socialism!!!!
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CanadaStan
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05:52 PM on 10/17/2011
Actually they have a well thought out and articulated position that resulted in electoral victory for many T-Party Republicans.

The Occupy geniuses on the other hand are protesting corporate bailouts but marching hand in hand with the unions who demanded those bailouts.
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CanadaStan
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03:47 PM on 10/17/2011
Why doesn't some enterprising journalist ask the CAW union protesting there if they are against all bailouts or just the ones they themselves didn't get?
03:41 PM on 10/17/2011
Why do we always have to copy to Americans. If you want to do something what about protesting against all the Foreign Trawlers that are still taking our fish from the Grand Banks!!!
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turkeylurky
Just keepin it real........
04:26 PM on 10/17/2011
Stop bashing Canadian culture - emulating Americans is a time honoured Canadian tradition.
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05:03 PM on 10/17/2011
Adbusters inspired it. It was taken seriously in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria. It was picked up in the US and now it is back home in Canada.
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CanadaStan
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05:53 PM on 10/17/2011
All funded by George Soros....
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Charles the Great
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03:31 PM on 10/17/2011
Also if they do not like it here then why not go to Cuba, North Korea, Gaza, Iran or China maybe they will find in one of those nations a system they like since they always say how better these places are then Canada.

The leftist always say how better these places are then in North America or Europe. I believe they could protest and say how much they hate the west in these nations. Maybe they could Occupy these places and demand change too
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timedalkat
04:42 PM on 10/17/2011
Way to generalize. Leftists don't say those places are better.
Cite me one example please.
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05:52 PM on 10/17/2011
You have been writing a lot of stuff on here lately,, but you still only have 4 fans... Because your posts are not very thought out. Give examples for your arguments.
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06:31 PM on 10/17/2011
Personal attacks are even more common from the left also you are not the 99% no one even cares
03:29 PM on 10/17/2011
it is government by usury for usury but mammonwors­hip is too abstract a point for the public

soadvocate thta the central bank must be owned by government­. then e.g. student loans would be held by the real bank of canada ,it being a crown corporatio­n controlled by Parliament­, so th einterest on student loans would be at prime or less [less for medical students] and when the interest is paid the govenrment i.e. the taxpayer ,receives the profit andif the loan is not paid then parlaiment can engage a process of forgiving. [[[in ancient isreal this was called a jubilee year]]]

also the parliament -owned central bank would print money for the private banks and make money lending it to them at prime; so the government­,for the legitimate reason for which it exists, namely a parental role, would have an additional revenue stream [ additional to crown corporatio­ns andtaxes] interest from the money it issues

the government is not a business, it is morelike a church , but it needs to be effective and selffundin­g

and the mantra, jobs jobs jobs, must be changed to vocation vocation vocation; the purpose of life is not jobs it is fulfillmen­t including of coursefull­fillment from satisfacto­ry employment or self employment­; the diiference between a job and a vocation is spiritual satisfacti­on; jobs are merely material comfort at best
;spiritual satisfacti­on includes emotional comfort and sustainabi­lity awareness and less or no debt burden stress

thats the best i can do
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03:14 PM on 10/17/2011
Blah! Blah! Blah! I'm guessing they are not the 99% after all
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greenmonk
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05:18 PM on 10/17/2011
So they are actually in the top 1% of income earners? Wow. What a clever ploy. They had me fooled!
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05:42 PM on 10/17/2011
Really? They're all billionaires?
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02:53 PM on 10/17/2011
"Poulos, a York University philosophy major"

...well there's your problem.
03:04 PM on 10/17/2011
They could have stopped at "York University" and it would have explained everything.
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Charles the Great
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03:33 PM on 10/17/2011
So they are trying to get a job with getting a major in answer the question "Why"?
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03:46 PM on 10/17/2011
LOL It's funny because it's true
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maigesheng
04:51 PM on 10/17/2011
Some people go to school for other reasons beside trying to get a job.
02:40 PM on 10/17/2011
create a usury free stressfree and prosperous but peaceful healthy world

OWS [[we are the 99% but where are we]] supporters need to focus on some points which make soundbytes themedia can convey to thepublic who are not university students/graduates and which university graduates who are right wing can sympathisizewith

1. real impact from OWS is from moreprudentspending by consumers; spend only juston green spending. spending ,being a vote, an investment in the future, should be ecological [or spiritual if you like, that is holistic awareness] in general spend less and enjoy more. point is meant to say that spending moreprudently naturally controls polluted financiers

poor people have to spend less naturally,not by choice, but they are not controlling bankers if by their votes they are voting for right wing candidates ; they are manipulated by advertisements and clever slogans

an antidote to these slogans maybe "cheap cheapens life" quality is life

2. make this point over and over: the central banks [bank of canada bank of england the Fed ECB ] are not a branch of government ;they are private entities created to in effect control government [in the olden days the monarch]

privately owned central banks were ineffect giving money [atnominal interest rate] to private banks

real bankers found it is more profitable to loan to governments andhave theloan guaranteed by taxes. i.e.long time ago, the bank bailouts [[1929 events]] were set up to happen
.youtube.com/watch?v=UKv8onIbX0A&feature=related sounds fair
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CanadaStan
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05:56 PM on 10/17/2011
Try writing in English, with capital letters and punctuation.
That is if you want anyone to take you seriously....
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02:37 PM on 10/17/2011
Not surprising. The US is collapsing under the the crushing weight of corporate and political corruption and greed we are nowhere near there,,,,yet.
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Capital Ottawa
02:32 PM on 10/17/2011
Congrats to those who took part in the "Occupy" protests! It's really great to see such a concerted effort by organizers to take the demonstration global, impressive. It's not often in our history when we see so many people speaking out against the same issue, young, old, employed, underemployed. I'm encouraged that people are speaking out against the divide between the have and have not and calling into question the decisions made by government on economic policy.
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ParliamentHillCatMP
02:24 PM on 10/17/2011
Canadians are under an illusion that we have a great social safety net and that we have a progressive taxation system which favours lower income families. We have a social safety net, but how do you explain how a single person on ODSP gets more assistance than a mother with two children on OW. How do explain the fact that we don't have a social housing strategy? How you explain an MP trying to destroy the Ministry of Labour.
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ljkcan
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05:02 PM on 10/17/2011
We still have a better system that what is in the US. I agree there is a huge problem for affordable housing. I don't know how ODSP works, I have been on CPP disability for over 20 years so it is a completly different system. No handout my own contributions taken early due to illness.
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05:25 PM on 10/17/2011
Is that true? A single person on OW gets $585. You could snag another $100 for volunteer work. You get more than that adding two children. Besides ODSP is hardly anything to write home about.
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ParliamentHillCatMP
09:43 PM on 10/17/2011
Yes..it is true..that's all they get..
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01:55 PM on 10/17/2011
Although matters are much worse in America, I hope you all know that the gap between the top 1% and the rest 99% is growing much faster here in Canada than in the States.
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CanadaStan
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01:18 AM on 10/18/2011
Nonsense.