Texas Conservatives Reject Harper's Crime Plan

Stephen Harper

First Posted: 10/17/11 06:31 PM ET Updated: 12/17/11 05:12 AM ET

Conservatives in the United States' toughest crime-fighting jurisdiction — Texas — say the Harper government's crime strategy won't work.


"You will spend billions and billions and billions on locking people up," says Judge John Creuzot of the Dallas County Court. "And there will come a point in time where the public says, 'Enough!' And you'll wind up letting them out."


Adds Representative Jerry Madden, a conservative Republican who heads the Texas House Committee on Corrections, "It's a very expensive thing to build new prisons and, if you build 'em, I guarantee you they will come. They'll be filled, OK? Because people will send them there.


"But, if you don't build 'em, they will come up with very creative things to do that keep the community safe and yet still do the incarceration necessary."


These comments are in line with a coalition of experts in Washington, D.C., who attacked the Harper government's omnibus crime package, Bill C-10, in a statement Monday.

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"Republican governors and state legislators in such states of Texas, South Carolina, and Ohio are repealing mandatory minimum sentences, increasing opportunities for effective community supervision, and funding drug treatment because they know it will improve public safety and reduce taxpayer costs," said Tracy Velázquez, executive director of the Washington-based Justice Policy Institute.

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"If passed, C-10 will take Canadian justice policies 180 degrees in the wrong direction, and Canadian citizens will bear the costs."


A state with a record


On a recent trip to Texas, an array of conservative voices told CBC News that Texas tried what Canada plans to do – and it failed.


As recently as 2004, Texas had the highest incarceration rate in the world, with fully one in 20 of its adult residents behind bars or on parole or probation. The Lone Star state still has the death penalty, with more than 300 prisoners on death row today. But for three decades, as crime rates fell all over the U.S., the rate in Texas fell at only half the national average.


That didn't change the policy — but its cost did.


Faced with a budget crisis in 2005, the Texas statehouse was handed an estimate of $2 billion to build new prisons for a predicted influx of new prisoners.


They told Madden to find a way out. He and his committee dug into the facts. Did all those new prisoners really need to go to jail? And did all of those already behind bars really need to be there?


Madden's answer was, no. He found that Texas had diverted money from treatment and probation services to building prisons. But sending people to prison was costing 10 times as much as putting them on probation, on parole, or in treatment.


"It was kinda silly, what we were doing," says Madden. Then, he discovered that drug treatment wasn't just cheaper — it cut crime much more effectively than prison.


That was the moment, he says, when he knew: "My colleagues are gonna understand this. The public is gonna understand this.…The public will be safer and we will spend less money!"


His colleagues agreed. Texas just said no to the new prisons.


Instead, over the next few years, it spent a fraction of the $2 billion those prisons would have cost — about $300 million — to beef up drug treatment programs, mental health centres, probation services and community supervision for prisoners out on parole.


It worked. Costs fell and crime fell, too. Now, word of the Canadian government's crime plan is filtering down to Texas and it's getting bad reviews.


Marc Levin, a lawyer with an anti-tax group called Right on Crime, argues that building more prisons is a waste of taxpayers' money.


"We've see a double-digit decline in the last few years in Texas, both in our prison incarceration rate and, most importantly in our crime rate," says Levin.


"And the way we've done it is by strengthening some of the alternatives to prison."


The statistics bear him out. According to the Texas Department of Corrections, the rate of incarceration fell 9 per cent between 2005 and 2010. In the same period, according to the FBI, the crime rate in Texas fell by 12.8 per cent.


By contrast, Levin says, the Canadian government has increased the prison budget sharply, even though crime in Canada is down to its lowest level since 1973.


In fact, federal spending on corrections in Canada has gone up from $1.6 billion in 2005-06, when Stephen Harper's Conservatives took power, to $2.98 billion in 2010-11. That's an increase of 86 per cent. Soon, it will double.


The Harper government has already increased prison sentences by scrapping the two-for-one credit for time served waiting for trial. Bill C-10 would add new and longer sentences for drug offences, increase mandatory minimums and cut the use of conditional sentences such as house arrest.


In each case, Texas is doing the opposite.


So are several other states — egged on by a group of hardline conservatives who have joined the Right on Crime movement. These include Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, the tax-fighter Grover Norquist and the former attorney general for President Ronald Reagan, Ed Meese.


That's not a list of liberals. Marc Levin says Canada is out of step with the best conservative thinking south of the border.


"We've seen in the United States, states and conservative leaders moving in a much different direction than the Conservative Party is saying in Canada," he says.


"I think the conservative thing to do is to be cost-effective and to hold offenders accountable. And, frankly, for many of them, they go to prison, they don't pay child support, they don't have to work in the private sector, they don't pay restitution — I don't believe that's holding people accountable."


Hugging criminals? In Texas?


What Levin means by accountability is what happens at Judge John Creuzot's drug court in Dallas.


Thieves, drug addicts and drunk drivers must file into Creuzot's courtroom each week as a condition of their sentences. They're on probation with the threat of prison hanging over them. They must prove they are keeping up with their drug treatment.


Creuzot cajoles, threatens and lectures them to stick with the program — but he also rewards them when they succeed. If they graduate from treatment, clean and sober, he holds an awards ceremony in his courtroom. Then, he gives them a big, back-slapping Texas hug.


"Congratulations, bro!" he says as he wraps his arms around a hulking ex-addict. "Proud of ya!" he says as he hugs another and places a medal around her neck.


Hugs? From a judge in the state that gave us chain gangs?


It's not your father's Texas. But Creuzot isn't all hugs. He renders a blunt verdict when he is asked what's wrong with the Harper government's plan to get criminals off Canadian streets.


"Nothing, if you don't mind spending a lot of money locking people up and seeing your crime rate go up! Nothing wrong with it at all!"


Creuzot says prison just doesn't work as well as the less expensive methods he uses — because, one way or another, drugs and alcohol lie at the root of 80 per cent of crimes.


"What we've learned," he says, "is that if you deal with those underlying issues with the proper assessments up front, doing that before you make a sentencing decision … and you fund programs that will deal with that on a long-term basis, that you avoid sending thousands of people to prison."


But isn't all the treatment expensive?


"It's less expensive!" Creuzot snaps. "We had a university do a cost-benefit analysis. And every dollar we spend is worth $9 and 34 cents in avoided criminal justice costs."


Other studies in Texas agree that treatment and probation services cost about one-tenth of what it costs to build and run prisons. Besides that, offenders emerge much less likely to commit fresh crimes than those with similar records who go to prison.


Getting results


At Phoenix House, a drug treatment centre in Wilmer, just south of Dallas, Dr. Teresa May-Williams is a forensic psychologist, paid to assess the risk of letting offenders out on parole or in treatment. She's found that prison is even riskier.


"We can't ignore the fact that our ‘tough on crime' stance that puts a person in prison and assumes that their drug problem will somehow magically disappear while they're incarcerated and they'll never get out again and offend, is ridiculous!" she says.


May-Williams says most offenders with drug or alcohol problems quickly resume their criminal lifestyle when they get out of prison.


"The data showed that 60 per cent of those individuals will be out and committing a new crime in, on average, about 11 months."


That's four times the rate of those who go through her six-month program instead.


"A big focus of it is getting their drug problem under control," she says, "and then beginning to work on education, job training, getting them employed, getting them focused on becoming a tax payer rather than a tax user. The recidivism rate for probation, the same kind of offender, is somewhere around 15-16 per cent."


A 'hopeless' case


Equally striking is that even the hardest cases can respond to court-ordered treatment.


Kathryn Griffin, by her own account, was a "hopeless" case.


Loquacious, loud and candid, Griffin had six felonies on her record — for drug possession and prostitution — so she was facing 35 years to life in jail when she came to court in Dallas, yet again.


"I'm a person who had a $30,000-a-month cocaine habit for 22 years!" she says. But, "I am totally clean and sober today."


And she's stayed clean for eight years — because, she says, she was a "guinea pig" in what was, back then, a new experiment: drug court.


The judge gave her a choice: get clean in drug treatment or flunk out — and die in prison.


She made it. Now, she has a job counselling street prostitutes, pays taxes and tells anyone who will listen that Texas, too, has changed its ways.


"What I like about this state and our government is they are willing to listen, look, study, learn and see results."


Left, right and middle-of-the-road Texans are recommending that Canada do the same — and the Conservatives most of all.

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    The bill, known as the Safe Streets and Communities Act, includes the following measures: <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em> (CP/Alamy)

  • Child Sex Offences

    Heftier penalties for sexual offences against children. The bill also creates two new offences aimed at conduct that could facilitate or enable the commission of a sexual offence against a child. (MANAN VATSYAYANA/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Drugs

    Tougher sentences for the production and possession of illicit drugs for the purposes of trafficking. (NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Violent And Young Offenders

    Tougher penalties for violent and repeat young offenders. (JOHN MACDOUGALL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Conditional Sentences

    An end to the use of conditional sentences, or house arrest, for serious and violent crimes (GEOFF ROBINS/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Parole Hearings

    Allowing victims to participate in parole hearings. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld)

  • Pardons

    Extending ineligibility periods for applications for pardons to five years from three for summary-conviction offences and to 10 years from five for indictable offences. (Flickr: haven't the slightest)

  • Transferring Canadian Offenders

    Expanding the criteria that the public safety minister can consider when deciding whether to allow the transfer of a Canadian offender back to Canada to serve a sentence. (JOEL ROBINE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Terror Victims

    Allowing terrorism victims to sue terrorists and their supporters, including listed foreign states, for losses or damages resulting from an act of terrorism committed anywhere in the world.(STRDEL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Human Trafficking

    Measures to prevent human trafficking and exploitation. (LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)


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AC Fraser
bend before you break
05:49 PM on 11/24/2011
Harper & the Con Caucus (with eyes closed & hands over ears): La la la! We can't hear you! La la la! De-Ni-Al!
08:56 AM on 11/08/2011
Only one prison should be built under the new crime bill: one to house the entire conservative party membership, the source of the crime wave in Canada.
09:39 PM on 12/09/2011
Agreed. What a waste of misery to incur these costs in money and people's suffering. Its proven - its wrong.
07:23 PM on 10/24/2011
Satan himself would object to Harper's plans to make taxes and crime increase at one and the same time.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
05:20 PM on 10/23/2011
Harper needs the political football to score points with his ideologues and for his own self interest. The cost doesn't matter because this is a program under the sacred program list: if it has a gun handle, trigger or otherwise is painful or deadly to humans then its sacrosanct

- because the end times are coming!
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sociocanuck
Red Tory mind / Progressive voting history
12:36 PM on 10/20/2011
So Harper's policy is one that even the most conservative of conservative states see as wrong once the facts and *need* to work pragmatically instead of dogmatically takes over. Sounds kind of familiar, really.

...it's what Republican Party candidates for nominee for President have to do to appeal to the base. It's "too bad" for them there's not enough time to diplomatically annex Canada so they can have Harper in the debates (taking the place of Perry, with fewer bumbles but also far less charisma).
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BBlitzer
My micro-bio is empty
04:32 PM on 10/19/2011
Honestly when I first saw the article, I figured for sure this was going to turn to a call for capital punishment. IE - we could not house all these bad guys so we had to start killing them off. Instead I found it quite interesting. Texas simply saying - hey we thought it was a good idea too. We tried it. Turned out to be a really bad idea and cost us a fortune to boot.

While I doubt it, I'd hope that Harper may actually listen to these people since I honestly believe his greatest wish is for Alberta to become Texas. He idolises these people so maybe he'll listen....
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
10:25 AM on 10/19/2011
Worth Repeating and very alarming...

Reid & Associates has been lobbying the federal government on behalf of their client - American-based Management & Training Corporation - to obtain a contract on "CSC (Correctional Service Canada) Transformation - modernizing physical infrastructure" since May 2010.

This is why lobbying should be illegal and one of the reasons to #OCCUPY Canada.
08:02 PM on 10/20/2011
Mulroney got his little brown paper bag , HMM , maybe Harper got one too ?
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AC Fraser
bend before you break
05:51 PM on 11/24/2011
Next up - privatization of the prison system!
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
10:10 AM on 11/25/2011
Oh, I missed the fact you were a Canajun too....
Save up, should be a good investment...and it's coming soon...

I thought that sounded funny when I wrote it.....*sigh*
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
07:52 AM on 10/19/2011
All of a sudden it's ok what an American opines to the cbc? Politically biased reporting.
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DirkNeptune
I love raspberry pie, damn it.
09:20 AM on 10/19/2011
Give me a break. I don't have to comment on how ridiculous your post is. It speaks for itself.
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
11:34 AM on 10/19/2011
Not sure which comment is the most ridiculous
01:58 AM on 10/21/2011
Texas starts moving away from the "tough on crime" approach and drops their justice system costs, and the crime rate falls 12%.

What's your opinion on that?
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
05:53 AM on 10/21/2011
Good news
12:47 AM on 10/19/2011
If Canadians are lucky Harper will be Raptured on the twenty first. Only two days to go.
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vogonpoet42
Illegitimus Non Carborundum
04:23 PM on 10/19/2011
One can only hope.
08:59 AM on 11/08/2011
We'd miss an opportunity for the first Canadian assassination, something that I'd love to listen to... on the CBC. :P
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
11:43 PM on 10/18/2011
Why is it every picture of Harper is creepier than the last? This one is going to haunt my dreams, and NOT in a good way.
09:00 AM on 11/08/2011
I think the media is trying to capture the fact that his behaviour is clearly that of a sociopath. My favourite is the one of him posing with the child he made cry, that is simply fantastic.
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09:34 PM on 10/18/2011
Reid & Associates has been lobbying the federal government on behalf of their client - American-based Management & Training Corporation - to obtain a contract on "CSC (Correctional Service Canada) Transformation - modernizing physical infrastructure" since May 2010.

This is why lobbying should be illegal and one of the reasons to #OCCUPY Canada.

https://ocl-cal.gc.ca/app/secure/orl/lrrs/do/_ls70_ls75_ls62_ls6c_ls69_ls63_ls53_ls75_ls6d_ls6d_ls61_ls72_ls79?_ls6c_ls61_ls6e_ls67_ls75_ls61_ls67_ls65=_ls65_ls6e_ls5f_ls43_ls41&_ls72_ls65_ls67_ls44_ls65_ls63=624684&_ls73_ls65_ls61_ls72_ls63_ls68_ls50_ls61_ls67_ls65=publicBasicSearch&_ls73_ls4d_ls64_ls4b_ls79=1300226172982&_STRTG3=tr%29.
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07:46 PM on 10/18/2011
It'll take years to build all those prisons. We can halt the program dead in it's tracks in 4 or 5 years . . . if we collectively smarten up and stop splitting the center-left vote.
08:24 PM on 10/18/2011
I agree. If people don`t vote they deserve what they get.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
09:42 PM on 10/18/2011
We keep telling the polly's that but they won't listen and are too busy playing political games with each other as opposed to seeing an opportunity to come together and represent the country. Their egos are more important, thus why we need to start a new centre-left party. Unlike the OWS movement in the US, I think if it grew in Canada it would try to remedy that huge disconnect between what we actually feel and our political parties. We are not a right wing country but have been controlled as such, either directly, or by Opposition Party capitulation, into one.
07:29 PM on 10/18/2011
Has anyone here actually read the bill?
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LittleSanityLeft
08:04 PM on 10/18/2011
We've all know the bill it's been gone over in all the national papers, online and television news. Have we all sat down and read it line by line? I can't say. I can tell you I haven't but that doesn't mean I don't know what it means to Canadians in a time when crime is going down.
09:02 PM on 10/18/2011
Might I suggest you give it a read. What I found interesting was the parts of the bill that people have the biggest issues with, that being mandatory drug sentencing, the crown still retains the ability to proceed by way of indictment or summary. Basically people will continue to be sentenced in much the same way now. There are some much needed tightening of loop holes for sex offenders. I still have a lot more of the bill to read, but if we are going to be so rabid in the criticisms of the bill, I think we should at least read some of it.
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07:27 PM on 10/18/2011
This is great news.... we'll finally beat the States at having the highest incarceration rate in the world. We'll need all those new prisons to house the corrupt bankers,ceo's, and politicians. Welcome to AmeriCan. Those silly protesters, trying to warn the rest of the people of what LIES ahead.
07:11 PM on 10/18/2011
Although I do not support the idea of more prisons and higher incarceration rates, comparing Canada's position to Texas, is not comparing "apples to apples." In the past , in Canada , time served was counted as a double credit, and a ten year sentence , in effect was actually more like 3-5 years.
Secondly, we do not execute prisoners in Canada, nor is it likely to happen under a conservative government, while , of course Texas is the execution capital of the world.
The CBC TV report last night, was, as usual a "drive by shooting". Maybe a 10% budget cut would help to curb their enthusiasm.
07:26 PM on 10/18/2011
What bothered me about the report was that the CBC failed to mention that at the federal level, inmates do have access to programming to address drug and alcohol abuse issues. They also have programs to address general and family violence. It's a huge part of the corrections system. Texas is still very hard on violent crime, nothing has changed there, but their drug laws are excessively punitive and no where near what Canada has now or will have under the new changes. At least the CBC should be honest in their reporting.
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gx5000
Life's too short, be happy..
10:29 AM on 10/19/2011
Please, don't use this to help them abolish the CBC, another one of their targets...