Omnibus Crime Bill: Tories Fire Back At Experts Who Say Legislation Will Make Crime Worse

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First Posted: 10/18/11 01:20 PM ET Updated: 12/18/11 05:12 AM ET

OTTAWA - One expert after another is warning the federal government that its massive crime bill will do more harm than good, costing taxpayers dearly for a punitive system that will only serve to make the streets more dangerous.

But Conservative MPs are questioning the credibility of those experts, suggesting they are advocating for criminals or are too detached from the real world to offer solid advice.

"We believe the substance of this legislation both to be self-defeating and counterproductive, if the goal is to enhance public safety," Eric Gottardi, vice-chair of the Canadian Bar Association's national criminal justice section, said Tuesday.

"It represents a profound shift in orientation from a system that emphasizes public safety ... rehabilitation and reintegration to one that puts vengeance first."

The omnibus bill merges nine previous pieces of legislation, and adds new elements, tying them into a massive package that critics say is an "incoherent" attempt to crack down on dangerous criminals.

The package fulfills a key Conservative election promise to bring forward failed or languishing anti-crime legislation from previous parliaments within 100 days of the new government.

Tuesday was the first full session of hearings from witnesses, establishing an uncomfortable tone.

The measures aim to toughen penalties for drug traffickers, child-sex crimes and violent young offenders. The bill would also make pardons more difficult to obtain. And it would give victims of crime more rights to have their voices heard in the parole system.

Indeed, victims' groups spoke out in favour of the bill, dubbed C-10, saying they will appreciate having more say during parole hearings, and receiving more information about the status of offenders.

Sharon Rosenfeldt, president of Victims of Violence, says she hears critics' concerns about the costs of keeping more criminals in prisons longer, but she believes the price is worth paying to keep dangerous people off the streets.

"This is a necessary cost for the protection of society," she told the justice committee.

The cost of incarceration pales in comparison to the toll crimes take on their victims, she said.

Her son Daryn Johnsrude was murdered by serial-killer Clifford Olson in 1981. He would not have died if C-10 had been in place back then, she argued.

The emotional pleas and personal attacks have been a hallmark of debate on the many crime bills brought forward by the Conservatives over recent years.

On Tuesday, the head of the John Howard Society was labelled an "advocate for criminals" after she argued that the bill would provoke Charter challenges.

Catherine Latimer said C-10 removes some of the rights of young offenders, and will also lead to deteriorating conditions in prisons that are already overcrowded, while paying little attention to rehabilitation and reintegration.

Conservative MPs also questioned the credentials of University of Toronto criminologist Anthony Doob and University of Ottawa criminologist Eugene Oscapella, suggesting they were too far removed from real life to offer relevant advice.

The Conservatives say their bill is effective and affordable, at a cost of $78.5 million over five years — a figure that does not include costs to provincial governments who run the majority of jails.

They also pointed to testimony from Don Head, commissioner of the Correctional Service of Canada, who said prisons would adjust and expand to deal with a populations. And they pointed to sections of the bill that would allow for drug offenders to seek treatment.

But critics argue that the cumulative effect of so many crime bills rolled into one package is making it difficult to figure out the good from the bad.

"This is a cruel and dishonest joke on the part of Parliament," said Doob. "A law purposely made incoherent does not deserve respect."

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  • Key Measures In Tory Crime Bill

    The bill, known as the Safe Streets and Communities Act, includes the following measures: <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em> (CP/Alamy)

  • Child Sex Offences

    Heftier penalties for sexual offences against children. The bill also creates two new offences aimed at conduct that could facilitate or enable the commission of a sexual offence against a child. (MANAN VATSYAYANA/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Drugs

    Tougher sentences for the production and possession of illicit drugs for the purposes of trafficking. (NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Violent And Young Offenders

    Tougher penalties for violent and repeat young offenders. (JOHN MACDOUGALL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Conditional Sentences

    An end to the use of conditional sentences, or house arrest, for serious and violent crimes (GEOFF ROBINS/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Parole Hearings

    Allowing victims to participate in parole hearings. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld)

  • Pardons

    Extending ineligibility periods for applications for pardons to five years from three for summary-conviction offences and to 10 years from five for indictable offences. (Flickr: haven't the slightest)

  • Transferring Canadian Offenders

    Expanding the criteria that the public safety minister can consider when deciding whether to allow the transfer of a Canadian offender back to Canada to serve a sentence. (JOEL ROBINE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Terror Victims

    Allowing terrorism victims to sue terrorists and their supporters, including listed foreign states, for losses or damages resulting from an act of terrorism committed anywhere in the world.(STRDEL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Human Trafficking

    Measures to prevent human trafficking and exploitation. (LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)

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09:09 PM on 10/20/2011
One group that will profit right away will be the lawyers dealing with charter challenges.
01:47 AM on 10/20/2011
I will happily have my taxes go to pay the interest on the debt which Harper's jails and mandatory sentencing will cost, if I can be sure that he and his party are the first in and only come out feet first.
06:43 PM on 10/19/2011
King Steve's hearltessness in ignoring the central issue here - people - completely justifies his caricature as a talking robot. He either hates families or just doesn't care; the rehabilation of the convicted individual, the emotional and financial cost to the individual's spouse and children, and the exposure in prison to incurable diseases don't even enter into consideration. Scoring political points is more important than the lives of Canadians. That he is also bankrupting the nation just adds insult to massive injury.
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09:10 PM on 10/20/2011
Scoring political points in Alberta.
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05:57 PM on 10/19/2011
It's going to cost over 100k to house each inmate per year. California and Texas are broke and reversing their laws because it was a massive failure. They are now forced to release prisoners because the prisons are too crowded and they can't afford it. Does someone who grows 6 marijuana plants really need to be sent to prison and what type of person will they be when released? Remove fear from the equation, the politicians have been doing that for a long time and we're not going to stand for it anymore.

The only reason this bill is being pushed through is because of the lobbying of the private prison industry. Jailing people is big business, eliminate lobbying, it's just another word for bribery.

Shame Shame on you........
02:42 PM on 10/19/2011
"Conservative MPs also questioned the credentials of University of Toronto criminologist Anthony Doob and University of Ottawa criminologist Eugene Oscapella, suggesting they were too far removed from real life to offer relevant advice."

Along with Neil Boyd, another noted criminologist at SFU, it appears the experts that they are, all agree
that the crime bill is seriously flawed and won't provide increased safety on Canadian streets.
Why bother, I ask, to spend your whole life studying crime in Canada at the university professorship
level only to be dismissed as, "too far removed from real life to offer relevant advice."
Pretty obvious here who is really, "too far removed."
12:15 PM on 10/19/2011
"It represents a profound shift in orientation from a system that emphasizes public safety ... rehabilitation and reintegration to one that puts vengeance first."

Biblical vengeance: Harper's fundamentalist base in a nutshell.
08:48 PM on 10/18/2011
At a time when our crime rates are going down, this bill/law seeks to have fewer concurrent sentences and more consecutive. That, on the face of it, does not like a bad idea when you have people who are involved in major crimes against people who either are second, third-time offenders or who commit a series of these violent crimes in one fell swoop. But, for the vast majority of crimes there is not a need to use a cannon to kill a mouse. The operation of prison farms had been an honest attempt to rehabilitate and prepare inmates for life after penitentiary where they would need skills in demand. It was a terrible idea to shut these facilities down!
Our government is very sensitive and unbending when it comes to following their agenda-even and especially when it is clearly flawed. Take the F-35 plane- a single engine plane with numerous flaws. Ask yourself one question- Would you feel at ease putting your ass in this plane and flying it in the North? As I thought; it's a poor choice and 99% of the population that cares knows it; why not the Conservatives?
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08:40 PM on 10/18/2011
Scene: Giant face in a viewscreen, some flunkies at a table.

Giant face: "MAKE THEM KNOW WHY THEY NEED US!"
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
08:28 PM on 10/18/2011
Just like Bush jr, Harper and co. are afraid to change their minds thinking they will pay politically. The bigger threat is that they plunge ahead despite so many objections and end up paying dearly but also causing a lot of misery.

Make sure this goof is turfed next election.
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ochaye
07:33 PM on 10/20/2011
Yup.
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
07:28 PM on 10/18/2011
And here is why ideology should not be allowed to control our lives. Its laughable that they claim others are removed from real life. Has Harper ever held a job? Not that I am aware of, he has always been a political propagandist. I doubt 10% of his cabinet has ever lived in "real life". Although I know there is no god, especially the god that Harper worships, I hope he does exist. Just so Harper can burn in the hell he so fervently wants me to burn in. A camel has more of a chance to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man has a chance to get into heaven. Sound familiar Harpo? Hypocrites!!
04:21 AM on 10/19/2011
Harpo has a majority. To Harpo, this makes him God. Do not dare question the wrath of God for he is almighty, He has experts that tell him he is God, therefore he is. God can do no harm. Anyone who disputes this fact will burn in hell.
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Newfoundlander
I'm a pessimist, an optimist with experience!
06:49 PM on 10/18/2011
Experts? We don't need no steenking experts! We know better! Our minds are made up--don't confuse us with facts.

I wouldn't trust a conservative politician with a hot stove, even if he wasn't wearing gloves.
06:39 PM on 10/18/2011
Harperism's credo is "don't confuse me with the facts." Too bad the US regime chose the night before the election in Canada for their sensational murder of comic book style villain Osama Bin Laden.
05:35 PM on 10/18/2011
If there is anyone who is to far removed from real life to offer relevant advice its CPC MPs.
05:05 PM on 10/18/2011
Pandering and fear-mongering rather than logic and fact analysis. Dismiss the experts and all the experience in the world.

This government makes me sad to be Canadian.