Harper Gives Ontario 13 New Seats In House Of Commons

First Posted: 10/18/11 03:12 PM ET Updated: 10/19/11 11:58 PM ET

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Prime Minister Stephen Harper plans to give Ontario 13 additional seats in the House of Commons.

ORONTO - Prime Minister Stephen Harper plans to give Ontario 13 additional seats in the House of Commons, sources told The Canadian Press on Tuesday.

That would increase the province's presence in the Commons to 119 seats from the current 106.

But it falls short of the 18 spots Ontario was slated to receive under previous legislation that died when Parliament was dissolved.

The bill, which was introduced last spring, would have also given seven more seats to British Columbia and five to Alberta.

According to media reports citing sources Tuesday, B.C. will now receive five new seats while Alberta will gain six and Quebec will get two.

The federal government has not confirmed any of the new numbers.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty refused to speculate earlier in the day about the number of seats the country's most populous province could end up with, but suggested that it could be fewer than expected.

McGuinty said he's reserving his judgment on whether Ontario is being shortchanged until he sees the legislation and the formula the federal Conservatives used.

"I think in fairness, we've got to wait for the feds to come forward with a specific proposal — with a bill — and with some reliable data from Statistics Canada so that we can then make an assessment as to whether or not Ontario is being treated fairly," McGuinty said after touring a Toronto hospital.

But there is a "broad consensus" on Parliament Hill that Ontario, Alberta and B.C. are under-represented in the Commons, the premier said.

"We need to address that," he said. "The prime minister made a specific commitment in the campaign that he would address it. I have no reason to doubt that he's not prepared to do that."

The federal New Democrats introduced a bill Tuesday that would give Ontario 18 seats, B.C. seven and Alberta five, as originally proposed by the Tories.

But it would also include a proviso guaranteeing Quebec a minimum of 24.35 per cent of the seats, in perpetuity, regardless of any population decline. The percentage is fixed at Quebec's proportion of the population at the time that Parliament unanimously approved a 2006 motion recognizing that the Quebecois constitute a nation within a united Canada.

"The whole point is to ensure that the political weight that Quebec had at the time that the motion was passed unanimously by the House is maintained going forward, regardless of population," said NDP democratic reform critic David Christopherson.

"This is about nation building ... Let's give real meaning to that (motion) when we're increasing the seats in these three populous (provinces)."

How many more seats the NDP's bill would mean for Quebec won't be clear until latest census data is released but Christopherson estimated it would be about four.

He acknowledged the NDP has been accused of "pandering to Quebec" on this issue. But he argued that seats in the House of Commons have never been apportioned strictly on a representation by population basis. The smaller Atlantic provinces, Quebec and the North have long been guaranteed more seats than their population warrants.

"We're doing this not because it's necessarily popular because there will be eyebrows raised across the country," he said. "We're doing it because it's the right thing to do for Canada."

Harper confirmed last week that he was intent on giving Ontario, Alberta and B.C. more seats to reflect population growth, but didn't say when the legislation might be introduced.

He also said that Quebec's share would be fair based on its population amid reports that he was delaying seat redistribution legislation past the 2015 election because the Tories fear a backlash in Quebec.

Quebec wants a guarantee that it will continue to hold 24 per cent of the chamber's seats. It currently has 75 of the 308 seats.

Quebec has often argued that its cultural survival within Canada would be compromised by a decline in political clout. Quebec sovereigntists have seized on the proposed seat changes, saying the 24 per cent level is a "bare minimum."

Normally, the seating in the House of Commons is adjusted after each census using a complex formula adopted in 1985, but the federal Conservatives have said that formula penalized some regions.

The legislation introduced last spring was to have updated the formula to make sure future readjustments help the faster-growing provinces.

Without changes to the House of Commons, it was estimated that many ridings in Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia would have well above the national average of voters.

Pure representation by population is considered almost impossible in Canada because there are guarantees in the system that say no province can have fewer MPs than it has senators. That means Prince Edward Island, with about 141,000 people, is assured of four MPs — or one for every 35,000 people.

If Ontario receives more seats in the Commons, McGuinty has said he would look at adding a similar number of seats to the provincial legislature to try to maintain the same riding boundaries.

Ontario generally mirrors federal ridings for its legislature, although the province maintained one additional northern riding that was wiped out by Ottawa in the last redistribution of Commons seats.

— With files from Joan Bryden in Ottawa.

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georgee2
My Canada Includes Everyone
08:11 AM on 10/20/2011
I believe we need fewer MP's not more. We are completely over represnted in Canada. MLA's, MP's
Councilers. Less would be better.
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Miller Time
08:01 AM on 10/20/2011
Since the Province mirrors the Federal electoral boundaries, does that mean Ontario get 13 additional seats in the Legislature?

Or is McGuinty going to "short-change" the Ontario public?
04:58 AM on 10/20/2011
Couldn't we take some seats away instead to keep the distribution balanced. It seems that the last thing we need is more politicians in Ottawa. Everyone else is being asked to do more with less so why not politicians.
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Charles Allen
05:20 AM on 10/20/2011
By population they're already under represented, why should a vote where you live matter more than a vote where they live?
06:32 AM on 10/20/2011
My point is that rather than increase the number of seats, lets just up the ratio by reducing the number of seats in the other provinces. Look, a teacher has 30,000 encounters during a year and actually gets something accomplished. I doubt that a politian has that many and of the ones that he/she has how many gain from the encounter. At least let's try for a couple of election periods to go with only half the number and see how it works out. Think of the cost saving.
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Mike Marlin
Good Spouse, Good Fishing,Good Friends,Proud Nativ
04:14 AM on 10/20/2011
One more reason that a form of proportional representation is needed, it is a formula that is fair and workable, The other item that is needed is to remove our MP's from the system that assigns riding boundaries, instead that authority should be given solely to Elections Canada and give them the ability to work with Stat's Can on the issue to get the info they need.
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Transitteer
and another thing . . .
01:22 AM on 10/20/2011
I thought that ridings were determined by population.
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Charles Allen
05:21 AM on 10/20/2011
Theoretically they are, but it takes acts of parliament to adjust the riding numbers. Ontario is under represented (despite the whining of my fellow westerners)
12:41 PM on 10/19/2011
Pure representation by population is considered almost impossible in Canada because there are guarantees in the system that say no province can have fewer MPs than it has senators. That means Prince Edward Island, with about 141,000 people, is assured of four MPs — or one for every 35,000 people.
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That's easy to fix, get rid of the entirely useless Senate or switch to an elected one with seats based on population.

The bigger question to me, we currently have 308MPs and 105 patronage appointed Senators for a pop of 33million people vs 405 congress seats and 100 Senators for 330 million in the US. The last thing I think we need is MORE politicians.

Government talks about cut back for us then adds over 4 million a year in new MP salaries, + benefits +staff etc etc.
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Charles Allen
05:21 AM on 10/20/2011
"That's easy to fix, get rid of the entirely useless Senate or switch to an elected one with seats based on population­."

I'd get behind the elimination of it, but good god please not an elected one, the US senate stinks.
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Miller Time
08:09 AM on 10/20/2011
That isn't how the system works in its entirety in Canada. PEI has four seats for 141,000. But that is guaranteed in the founding documents of this country. Meanwhile, Burlington with a population of 160,000, more or less, has one MP and two "half" MPs.
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Awake-and-Sing
named after a great play written by Clifford Odets
12:39 PM on 10/19/2011
How did Alberta go under the old proposed formula of gaining five seats (with BC gaining 7 and Ont. gaining 18) to gaining 6, while BC and Ont. are now only gaining 5 and 13 respectively).?

If fewer seats are being added in the revised formula, how is Alberta gaining more?

Nothing against Alberta, but I'd love to see the revised formula that decided that. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Alberta is the most loyal to the Conservative Party.
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Charles Allen
05:23 AM on 10/20/2011
Oh the math is really simple, Albertan's would vote for a drunk who threw money at the homeless and cheated in university if he was a conservative. Extra seats for Alberta = extra seats for the conservatives :P
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CommonWealth-SinglePayer
Walk on the Right, VOTE on the LEFT
11:52 AM on 10/19/2011
Check this article, seems Harper Reform is avoiding new seats where they are needed.

"Urban agenda neglected, mayor presses Tories to expand Commons"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/urban-agenda-neglected-mayor-presses-tories-to-expand-commons/article2204879/
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
11:53 PM on 10/18/2011
To quote George Brown: REP by POP!!!
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Shakeshaft
Socialist Canadian Infidel
10:07 PM on 10/18/2011
Harper will find any excuse he can to give more seats to Alberta, I'm sure.
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sdgreen
07:49 PM on 10/18/2011
Appeasement to Quebec, again!
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feuille derable
La République du Canada
01:39 AM on 10/20/2011
As a Canadian, with a proud Canadian flag......... bite moi!
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Talossa
Liberal. Pro-Israel. Recovering atheist.
05:30 PM on 10/18/2011
Does Alberta get the remainder?
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CommonWealth-SinglePayer
Walk on the Right, VOTE on the LEFT
05:29 PM on 10/18/2011
18 seats to 13, why?

Did a whole bunch of people in Ontario just die en masse? Or is good ol Harper Reform playing politics with the democratic Vote? I thought the number of seats had something to do with population?
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Charles Allen
05:24 AM on 10/20/2011
Population of conservative MP's
01:37 PM on 10/20/2011
It should, and I think Ontario got screwed (I say this as someone not from Ontario).

I think it should be based on population but we all know it isn't really (or else the Maritimes, MB and SK would all lose seats),

Realistically, they should keep parliament at 308 seats and just reduce other provinces proportionally.