Canada-U.S. Price Gap: Jim Flaherty Says Canadians Are 'Rightly Annoyed' About Disparity

Jim Flaherty

First Posted: 10/19/11 04:11 PM ET Updated: 10/20/11 02:14 PM ET

OTTAWA - Federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty is prepared to look at reducing tariffs and to use "informal persuasive powers" if needed to bridge the Canada-U.S. price gap on consumer goods.

The finance minister told the opening of Senate committee hearings on the issue Wednesday night that he regards the exercise as more than just posturing.

"If the committee recommends that we change this tariff or that tariff, we'll look very closely at what's feasible," he told reporters after his brief testimony.

"We've reduced, eliminated a lot of tariffs, they are protectionist and we're believers in free trade," he added.

In testimony, Flaherty said he has other tools, including persuading retailers to lower prices.

"We have ways of encouraging good behaviour through the tax system," he said.

The finance minister told the senators he did not have the answers as to why prices remain stubbornly higher in Canada — on average about 20 per cent more according to an April comparison survey by the Bank of Montreal — despite the fact the loonie has steadily risen against the U.S. dollar over the last five years.

The dollar has traded near or above parity for extended periods twice within than period, in 2007-2008 and for much of the past year. It closed at 98.02 cents Wednesday.

The Retail Council of Canada, which is expected to testify later this fall, calls tariffs a major factor in the persistent price gap, saying some duties are as high as 18 per cent.

Flaherty said he did not know if tariffs were a major issue, but in later testimony other government officials downplayed the impact.

"It certainly is an issue that merits looking at but in general the tariff rates are actually quite low," said Jim Haley, general director in the Economic and Fiscal Policy Branch. "Ninety per cent of goods enter the country duty free. In 2010, $360 billion of $400 billion in total imports came into the country duty free."

Officials also noted that tariffs apply on the landed price of goods, not the higher retail price.

The issue of pricing for a domestic market is complex and can involve manufacturers "exercising market power" by discriminating up or down in pricing in rich markets, or to maintain a market share, officials added.

Flaherty, who asked the Senate national finance committee to look into the issue in September, said Canadians are rightly annoyed when they see different prices for the same item.

And he says he hears often from Canadians complaining about the price differential.

The strong Canadian dollar has presented challenges for Canadian manufacturers, exporters and the economy, he said, at the very least Canadians should get benefits in terms of lower consumer prices.

"Canadians are rightly annoyed and perplexed," he said. "When they spend their hard earned money they deserve to pay a price that reflects the strength of our dollar."

New Brunswick Senator Pierrette Ringuette, who lives near the U.S. border, said she is mystified why there are large differences on some items and none on others.

She compared prices for the Camaro and Dodge Charger — both automobiles made in Canada — and found $4,000 and $4,600 difference in price respectively across borders. On some other vehicles, she found no or little difference, she said.

Flaherty had no explanation, but hoped the senators would get to the bottom of the matter and provide an answer to Canadians.

The hearings, which are expected to last for weeks, will look into a variety of issues, including the impact of tariffs, transportation costs and market size differentials between the two countries.

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09:22 AM on 10/24/2011
Ol' Jimmy sure flaps his gums a lot about this, but somehow, nothing ever seems to get done. Gee, what a surprise.
It's all smoke and mirrors, folks - nothing changes.
10:15 PM on 10/21/2011
He miust think we are all fools or something. Well Mr Finance minister some of us are not fools. You have known about this gap for years and years and haven't done anything about it so spare us the empathy or "i feel your pain" nonsense. The odds are you won't do anything for us the consumers to close the gap and stop the abuse. We know that and you know that.
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mtnestr
10:28 PM on 10/20/2011
He keeps saying we should be upset but he does nothing about it. Put up or shut up.
07:11 PM on 10/20/2011
Good for you Mr. Flaherty thatyou think canadians should be annoyed about cheaper prices in the usa. After nafta i thought that free trade was in place with our neighbour. When the us dollar was 40% higher than ours(1980s to 2005) we watched americans come to canada and buy brand new vehicles and take them home. A couple years ago the canadian dollar did an about face and thus it was our turn to go south and bring home brand new vehicles at great savings. But our government said we could not and the car companies said no warranty if you brought one to canada. So I am glad you feel our disparity anxiety and will get right on it and open that nafta border up. this will then force our canadian car dealers to lower their prices to compete. Or is the border price advantages just a one way street?
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Paul Stacey
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08:09 AM on 10/21/2011
The auto dealers also blocked imports to the US when Canadian cars were cheaper than theirs.
10:31 AM on 10/20/2011
There is absolutely no reason or motivation for stores to lower prices just because of the dollar. Unless the number of people going to the US to shop increases to extreme levels that stores just can't ignore, they don't care. They will suck up all the savings themselves and laugh while their profits increase.
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BBlitzer
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11:30 AM on 10/20/2011
In many cases though it is not the "stores" that are causing the price disparity, it is the manufacturers of the products. Look at books. The printed price on the back of the book lists Canadian and US prices. The Canadian price is always higher - now that gap has closed a bit but it is still there.

Cars are a perfect example. A car built in the city next to me can apparently be shipped to the US and sold for $4000 less than if I buy it in the city it was made. Not only that, the Canadian version is de-contented coming with fewer features than the US counterpart. And then the same car manufacturer turns to the dealers in the US boarder states and forbids them to sell to Canadians. The dealers cannot lower the prices because they are set by the Canadian corporate offices.
12:14 PM on 10/20/2011
Actually, that is an excellent point. I was only thinking about major retailers who are mostly big box stores these days, or corporate chians, who often can control the prices.

But you are percetly correct. Manufacturers of products are also keeping the profits. Granted, a small part of the issue is the differences in regulations and safety standards between Canada and US, but that difference in no way comes close to the price difference.
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Kristopher Leang
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08:13 PM on 10/20/2011
noo its the stores. apparently a wall mount at futureshop was retailed at 99$. since he supplies that store and mine as well soemtimes we give merchandizers discounts. anywyas all in all it came to 14$ with futureshop not losing a penny and infact still making abit.
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10:01 AM on 10/20/2011
Why is it Mr. Flaherty that you are a man of many profound words but of little action? I can't understand how you can make these outstanding observations but no plan to introduce. You travelled the country over the past two years making CPP observations and receiving comments. You spent so much time with Carney at economic retreats discussing the economy. You chose to ride the economic bus staying the course.. But what is the course Mr. Flaherty? We need to know what plans you are putting forth to help seniors? What plans are you putting forth to help young families? How do you plan to discourage consumber debt? What plans do you have to reduce high interest charges demanded by banks? What are you doing about liberal loans from banks? How do you plan to curb price gouging from Canadian retailers based on American pricing? Is it free trade or controlled trade? What are the answers Mr. Flaherty?
thephuqqer
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09:58 AM on 10/20/2011
............................"informal prsuasive powers"?.....................who, in the global scheme of things, is going to listen to this irrelevant little Irish leprechaun?
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Kristopher Leang
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08:14 PM on 10/20/2011
true dat this man is a joke and whenever he opens his mouth garbage comes out. he has never balanced a single budget in all his years at that role. hes is a career failure who has ridden the wave with all the other conservatives on old regulation and a diverse, resilient and strong economy not totally gutted by the elite shipping off jobs yet.