Bush, Clinton In Vancouver: Police, Occupy Protesters Brace For Former Presidents' Canada Visit

First Posted: 10/20/11 05:00 AM ET Updated: 10/23/11 03:35 PM ET

SURREY, B.C. - A raucous group of protesters gathered outside a Surrey, B.C. hotel Thursday, hoisting colourful cardboard placards, shouting into megaphones and looking and sounding much like the masses who have converged for Occupy rallies in cities across Canada.

But unlike their counterparts, this group had a single, united objective — to secure the arrest of George W. Bush.

"This is a specific way justice can be served," said Allison Jones, who travelled to the Vancouver suburb to show her disapproval of the former U.S. president and the policies he passed while commander-in-chief.

Bush and his fellow former president, Bill Clinton, drew two distinct crowds to their lunch-hour speaking engagement.

Inside were 500 business people who paid $599 per ticket to the Surrey Regional Economic Summit. Outside, another 200 or so activists stared down a line of police officers while chanting: "Do your job and enforce the law!"

Following protests that galvanized thousands in Vancouver and other cities across Canada last Saturday as part of the Occupy movement, RCMP in Surrey prepared for the prospect of holding back several hundred demonstrators as Bush and Clinton chatted inside. A key critique of the movement is that it has no unifying goal.

Several dozen Mounties blocked off a small stretch of road to traffic and formed a calm, human barricade in front of the venue. Cpl. Drew Grainger said there were no major incidents and no arrests.

Amnesty International, along with several other peace and human rights organizations, contend Bush should be tried under Canadian and international law for war crimes, including torture.

They point to what they call the illegal invasion of Iraq and his administration's admitted use of techniques like waterboarding as evidence of crimes.

Dick Cheney, Bush's vice-president, has defended the techniques, saying the intelligence gleaned saved lives.

Gail Davidson, who founded the group Lawyers Against War, said Watts and the Canadian government are doing something worse than simply turning a blind-eye to what activists see as the Bush administration's crimes.

"The U.S. is Canada's biggest trading partner, therefore, George W. Bush as a former president of the United States is a friend of ours and we're going to use our power to suspend the law and protect him from accountability."

Inside the hotel, Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts told reporters the forum was meant to bring together diverse opinions on the global economy, and the group outside had a right to express their opinions too.

"I don't condone anything," she said of the war crimes allegations.

"I think that you have to realize there is a process and a venue — the international court — he has to be charged, tried and convicted. There's a process to do that and they have every right to proceed with that."

Back outside, a dozen people sang political lyrics in perfect harmony.

"Praise George Bush for an unending war on drugs and terror and the poor. Too bad about a million dead, at least the rich are safe in bed."

Others wore Hallowe'en masks depicting Bush, Cheney, and former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice. Some waved a single shoe in the air, a reference to a notorious incident where an Iraqi man hurled his footwear at the former president as a sign of disrespect.

Chris Bennett blamed the world's economic problems on Bush and also pointed a finger at Canada's prime minister.

"Stephen Harper and George Bush are brothers from different mothers," he said. "Stephen Harper has taken Canadians' good name and trashed it in the same way George Bush has done to the United States."

Money spent on wars in the Middle East and bailing out big banks, as done in the U.S. and Europe, should be spent on bringing clean water, the Internet and other technology to developing nations, he said.

While Bush was on Canadian soil, a representative of the Canadian Centre for International Justice asked the courts to approve a draft indictment against Bush. A justice of the peace accepted sworn information alleging he was behind the torture of four men who were detained for years in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

The group said it had 4,000 pages of documents supporting its case for trying Bush under the Canadian criminal code. The move was supported by a letter signed by more than 50 human rights organizations and individuals, including Amnesty International.

"We feel wonderful about being able to finally put these charges before a court," said legal director Matt Eisenbrandt.

A process hearing is set for Jan. 9.

Final approval for such a prosecution goes to the federal Attorney General, who the group admitted has not responded to any of their requests for assistance.

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11:40 AM on 10/21/2011
Bush getting Saddam Hussein was a horrible thing, Iraq was a sovereign nation, he was settling a personal score, he lied, etc.
Qaddafi gets killed by the rag tags extremists in Libya, Obama's got himself a win.

Get some consistency!
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cityprole
old,sly, crafty,arty, leftie
10:53 AM on 10/21/2011
Apparently our police were telling protestors who demanded Bush be arrested that they couldn't, it was a Federal issue..hahahaha..can anyone imagine a cop anywhere else in the world making those sorts of apologetic statements..so glad i live in a country where even the cops get it...
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
05:56 PM on 10/21/2011
The cops didn't get it, and in the same way that they don't know (or respect) civil liberties and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, they didn't get the reality that THEY (the RCMP) *A*R*E* a federal institution - even though contracted to the Province of BC as "E Division". And prosecution of the Criminal Code is not ordered by the federal Minister of Justice or Solicitor-General, but is a provincial matter and under aegis of the Ministries of the Attorney-General. Elaborate buck-passing being a way of life for civil servants and politicians alike in Canada, of course.....

As a federal matter, he should have been stopped and/or arrested at the border. The provincially-contracted E Division don't need orders from Ottawa, or even Victoria, for that matter. Their powers are discretionary; too discretionary. But saying that arresting Bush was a federal issue is just so much mumbling by front-line monkeys.

The RCMP brass in BC won't investigate corrupt politicians, including the current Premier and especially the previous one, so why should be it any surprise they wouldn't touch a foreign dignitary coming in to be toe-sucked by the politicians who they (theoretically) take orders from??
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cityprole
old,sly, crafty,arty, leftie
08:47 PM on 10/21/2011
I agree with everything you say, my point was in most other countries you'd get your head banged, at the very least, for even asking the cops a civil and legitimate question..are they idiots and pandering to the corporpratists? Of course!
Still rather be in Canada protesting it...
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GreenCanadian
is mixing the new record
11:25 PM on 10/20/2011
Business people were willing to pay $599 a plate to hear him speak? No wonder the economy is in the toilet, when people are willing to pay to hear the founder of Arbusto Energy speak their judgment must be an atrophied muscle.
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stopgeorge
Paper Ballots WORK. Unverifiable e-voting doesn't
02:22 AM on 10/21/2011
And far worse, the taxpayer has to pay over $500,000 for this.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
02:42 PM on 10/21/2011
Watch it! Those are the job-kill...I mean creators you are talking about.
10:56 PM on 10/20/2011
George was a wonderful man. He did his best for freedom. He was honest and forthright and tireless in our pursuit of justice. Go Texas
schrodster
veni vidi I'm outta here
11:27 PM on 10/20/2011
Jf you would have said----George go to Texas, I would have fanned you.
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RhysJ W
For the Future, Against the Present.
12:42 AM on 10/21/2011
and bring Stephen Harper along. I think he'd fit in there.
12:39 AM on 10/21/2011
Freedom from what? Reality?
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stopgeorge
Paper Ballots WORK. Unverifiable e-voting doesn't
10:39 PM on 10/20/2011
At the very minimum, it's being reported that this coddling of a war crim!nal cost us taxpayers

$500,000

Way to go, mayor of Surrey!
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Skookum1
truth can't be bought, but lies sure can be sold..
10:14 PM on 10/20/2011
"A key critique of the movement is that it has no unifying goal."

That's more like "a key critique of the movement made over and over by the mainstream media but without real substance is that it has no unifying goal" and is just another example of th editorializing of news that Canadian Press is doing more and more and more, including the use of "so-called illegal war" and other such phrases of equivocation and evasion.

That the media establishment are not honestly reporting on or representing the goals of the Occupy movement is not at all surprising - they are the mouthipiece of the 1% and have no interest in representing the truth, rather in misrepresenting it. Self-serving bunk, and every time they say that particular lie it just serves to invalidate and discredit them further. They are nailing shut their own coffin.

What the Occupy movement wants is systemic change, major reform, an end to the system of lies and disinformation and wheedling which has produced the inequities and evils of the current situation we are ALL in. Not just Americans, but Canadians too. The more CP and types like Andrew Coyne and Chantal Hebert deny that the movement has any relevance, the more irrelevant - and dishonest -they are showing themselves to be.

The same goes for the Canadian edition of the Huffington Post and its penchant for giving right-wing think tanks and pollsters and harperite consultants leading-article status.
08:21 PM on 10/20/2011
Colbert Report had one of the primary interrogators that aided in turning Al Qaeda sources for capturing the 9/11 terrorists who didn't die and other intelligence assets on. He clearly stated that torture like waterboarding did not help save anyone and was ineffective.
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
09:39 PM on 10/20/2011
That was a great interview. Wish real news shows had the guts to have the same discussion without the political talking heads stirring the pot of BS.
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sfurr
11:44 AM on 10/21/2011
60 minutes. Covered the topic at least twice.
12:40 AM on 10/21/2011
Sorry, I hit the flag button inadvertently. F&F
08:17 PM on 10/20/2011
"......they did occupy the Presidential seat of the most powerful country in the world." The invasion of countries to secure their natural resources is the work of a desperate, spineless government. People torture others because they want to, not because it's necessary; people will say almost anything to make the pain and terror cease. Doesn't mean it's accurate. Truly powerful countries simply stand the test of time, as others invade and try to control them. Most often, it's the poor, unindustrialized ones that scream, "Easy target," and then prove their invaders wrong.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
08:10 PM on 10/20/2011
theres a beautiful song, not by Barrington Levy but another by a Raggae french band called murderer and its all about Bush. it comes to mind
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sdgreen
07:44 PM on 10/20/2011
A total non-issue in the big picture. Bushcraft eliminated a despot and Clinton rode the tide of past US Presidents and really did nothing. Having said that, it is always a good thing to hear perspectives from these two as they did occupy the Presidential seat of the most powerful country in the world.
12:41 AM on 10/21/2011
Only cost a million innocent lives.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
02:45 PM on 10/21/2011
Eliminate one despot, make deals with a dozen others. Should I be impressed?
07:38 PM on 10/20/2011
Those were not protestors, they just thought somebody was handing out free cigarettes
06:50 PM on 10/20/2011
$150,000 to speak and $599 a ticket to see them.
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Sean Connolly
06:43 PM on 10/20/2011
Bill Clinton should receive nothing but praise, the man is a legend.
08:45 PM on 10/20/2011
In his own mind...
Criminal to me. (Waco proved that.)
I voted for him twice.
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Gracie fr
06:32 PM on 10/20/2011
George W Bush is a war criminal by extention. Bill Clinton is plain criminal. Obama is a criminal in waiting. Free Trade Agreements have benifited agribusiness, but now thw Mexicans are starving. ( http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/10/20-4 ). nd Columbia and South Korea are in the cross hairs. I don't know what havoc NAFTA wreaked north of the border, but I'm sure all is not right in the kingdom....
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
08:05 PM on 10/20/2011
yes Bush is as guilty for the water boarding crimes as Hitler was for any other policy he allowed or enacted.
06:29 PM on 10/20/2011
Lets see, Canada's economic performance is admired around the world and our business associations are inviting the people that destroyed capitalism to give talks and advice? Strange world we live in?
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
09:47 PM on 10/20/2011
Maybe its an invitation to come on over and learn a thing or two from us I can see everyone at the $599 dinner rubbing their hands together as if they were going to get a little of that stardust on them.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
02:47 PM on 10/21/2011
Don't believe the hype...we have our comeuppance in the not too distant horizon as well. We wisely avoided some of the financial traps, but certainly not all of them.