Veterans Affairs Cuts: Liberals Stage Mini-Coup By Passing Motion With Late Tory MPs Absent

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First Posted: 10/20/11 02:26 PM ET Updated: 10/20/11 03:21 PM ET

The public may soon have a better understanding of the impact of the federal government's cuts to Veterans Affairs Canada, after a lone Liberal MP saw an opportunity and jumped on it Thursday morning when three Conservative MPs were late showing up for work at the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs.

P.E.I. MP Sean Casey, who informed colleagues 48 hours beforehand he intended to bring forward a motion to study the effects of more than $200 million in cuts to a department mostly based in his province, told the chair Thursday he wasn't going to wait until the committee went in-camera at the end of the meeting to raise his point.

Instead, Casey, speaking in French, took the first opportunity he had to table his motion requesting the Committee suspend its current study on commemorating veterans and move instead to a study on the impact of the cuts.

The Veterans Affairs committee had quorum but the Tories were one MP shy of a majority at the early morning meeting so they lost the vote and the Liberal motion passed.

It is the first study the opposition parties have been able to impose, the Liberals say, since the Conservatives won a majority government.

"Because we had the Conservatives outnumbered, it passed," Casey told Huffington Post. "We excused the witnesses, and quite frankly I feel badly that we had people come to Ottawa expecting to testify today and had to be sent home, but I think we have done a great service to veterans by putting this at the top of the agenda against the Conservatives' wishes."

Conservative MP Ben Lobb, however, tried to get a do-over. He suggested some MPs didn't understand what Casey had read in French and the committee should hold the vote again with the motion read in English.

"What that clearly indicates is their lack of respect for Canada's two official languages and it clearly indicates that although the Conservatives were given the motion 48 hours ago, in both official languages, this was apparently a surprise," Casey said.

Casey dismissed any notion that politics played any part in his decision to read the motion in French.

"No, I am working hard at learning French and every chance I get to speak French in the chamber or in committee, I do," he said.

The largest reductions in the $226 million in cuts over two years, outlined in the department's plans and priorities report, will be to compensation and financial support for vets.

The department told the Canadian Press that new veterans wouldn't be affected and that the savings would be found because of the "sad reality" that the number of Second World War and Korean War vets is declining.

The Veterans Ombudsman Guy Parent, however, told Senators Wednesday the departments figures are incorrect because veterans aren't dying as fast at the department is projecting.

Casey said he's worried about these cuts but also the coming department cuts. Veterans Affairs, like all other government departments, agencies and Crown Corporations, faces another possible five or ten per cent cut as part of an overall government-wide spending review.

"It remains to be seen (what impacts the cuts will have), and that's why we need this study. They won’t tell us. They claim that it will not affect my riding, but I don't believe them. The Veterans Ombudsman doesn't believe them. That's why we want to bring them in front of the committee and ask them the hard questions," he said. "The department of Veterans Affairs has a payroll of $100 million a year, it is a key economic engine in my riding and in Prince Edward Island and I feel that it is seriously under threat and they won't give us the facts."

Casey said he's also certain the Conservatives' procedure strategists are trying to find ways to kill the committee's new study.

"I have no doubt that there are some great minds at work over on that side and those great minds are trying to think of every tactic in the book to try to reverse this decision of the committee," he said.

Since the House of Commons has returned to work, the Conservatives have repeatedly voted against unfavourable opposition motions, such as an NDP motion to study the effects of anticipated cuts to CBC/Radio-Canada or another NDP motion to study whether the G8 Legacy Fund was used for political purposes or if then Industry Minister Tony Clement acted unethically.

Sean Casey's Motion:

That the Committee suspends its current study on "commemorating veterans" and commence hearings into the impact of the recent decision by the Conservative government to cut over 200 million dollars from the Veteran Affairs department, and that the Committee specifically assess the impact these cuts will have on programs and services to our veterans and the impact these cuts will have on staff and, that the Committee report back its findings to the House.

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The public may soon have a better understanding of the impact of the federal government's cuts to Veterans Affairs Canada, after a lone Liberal MP saw an opportunity and jumped on it Thursday morning ...
The public may soon have a better understanding of the impact of the federal government's cuts to Veterans Affairs Canada, after a lone Liberal MP saw an opportunity and jumped on it Thursday morning ...
 
 
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11:39 PM on 10/22/2011
Lobb is my MP. There is reason to believe he doesn't understand either official language.
12:52 PM on 10/21/2011
So Harper wants to spend 28 million dollars on celebrating the war of 1812 but he wants to cut services for the vets that are still alive.

The CONservative mind is a confusing thing.
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Capital Ottawa
09:42 AM on 10/21/2011
Politics aside, this is a good day for Democracy. The Conservatives have been trying to hide the full cost of their proposals, costs we as taxpayers will ultimately shoulder. The question the Liberals have asked is one which all of us should be asking ""what impacts the cuts will have?"
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
02:20 AM on 10/21/2011
Always nice to see a Tory get pwned.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
08:03 PM on 10/20/2011
Neat!
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
07:47 PM on 10/20/2011
I'm sure those $50 million dollars splashed around Clement's riding aren't a source of continued embarrassment on every issue and cut. Oh yeah, Clement is in charge of the cuts.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
07:45 PM on 10/20/2011
a quick mind saved the day. Certainly not a conservative. No doubt they will fight such a thing and are actively reinforcing their wilful ignorance, because that's who they are. If not, they wouldn't be on the committee. Congrats to Mr Casey.
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geminivoyager
07:45 PM on 10/20/2011
Friend of the soldier and vet that the liberals are..... yeah right. Pure politics.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
08:09 PM on 10/20/2011
taking a step back and reevaluating our role after our soldiers lost all respect and beat the crap out of a kid and murdered him was enough. keep talking bud
07:39 PM on 10/20/2011
Taking from our Veterans . Those that fought and suffered for our freedoms . I can only hope we all wake up and the so called conservatives will once again be disolved next federal election .
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SeeTheFnords
Look out - there's one behind you!
06:35 PM on 10/20/2011
Yep, Harper is going to be really annoyed about this. Wonder what he's going to do to the guys who didn't show up on time...
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Jason Bullock
09:00 PM on 10/20/2011
Based on Harper's past with Conservatives who screw up? They'll be promoted.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
06:06 PM on 10/20/2011
Nothing like taking from Vets!....and this from the self declared lone party of patriotism...b.s.
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audioscapist
06:01 PM on 10/20/2011
"Conservative MP Ben Lobb, however, tried to get a do-over. He suggested some MPs didn't understand what Casey had read in French and the committee should hold the vote again with the motion read in English."

That is a non-issue - if it was read in an official language of the government, then it should stand. MPs' inability to understand one of the country's official languages is their problem - if they haven't taken the time to learn French, that's just too bad.
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BBlitzer
My micro-bio is empty
02:23 PM on 10/21/2011
It's only an issue in that an elected member of the Canadian government actually thought it was a reasonable excuse to ask for a re-vote. Casey showed a moment of brief inspiration and made the most of it. It was a brilliant tactic - noting they did not have the numbers and it worked.
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KNW
08:35 PM on 10/21/2011
Maybe he should have asked for it to be read in English while they were still in the meeting.
05:38 PM on 10/20/2011
The Conservative government revealing it's true self; petty and small and mean.
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tnanimation
02:26 PM on 10/20/2011
'Conservative MP Ben Lobb, however, tried to get a do-over. He suggested some MPs didn't understand what Casey had read in French'
Gee, what's wrong Ben? No French classes up in the Ontario hinterland? Liberals are down but not out. Unlike the NDP they have experienced MP's that know how to play the game and take advantage of
anyone who is asleep at the wheel. My guess is that the little emperor will be mightily pissed.