Occupy Canada Protesters Say Much Already Accomplished But Much Still To Do

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First Posted: 10/23/11 04:06 PM ET Updated: 10/25/11 03:55 PM ET

TORONTO - Who exactly is listening to them remains an open question but as they head into their second week, Occupy Canada protesters across the country insist they have accomplished much even though scarce little appears to have changed.

As their makeshift protest camps organize and grow, participants say they feel energized in their quest to figure out exactly what they want and how they might get it.

"Something has started and nobody wants to give up," said Lambert Guimond, a 47-year-old writer who has camped out in Montreal for the past week.

"For the first time in history, we have that link now that unites us from one city and country to the other, and makes that voice even louder."

What began as a few dozen tents in a public square surrounded by skyscrapers in Montreal's financial district has expanded to several nearby patches of land, filling nearly all the available space with tents, tarps, and hammocks.

Protesters have set up a miniature village with power generators, Internet access, a kitchen crew that prepares hot meals twice a day, a small library, portable toilets, and a media station.

"We're thinking of Christmas lights already, and then it's going to be the summer again," Guimond said.

The situation is similar in Toronto, where Occupy protesters have turned a downtown park a few blocks east of Bay Street into a vibrant mini-village.

Mischa Saunders, 20, of Toronto, has spent almost all his time at the camp since it was struck Oct. 15 as part of a national day of protest.

"What we've accomplished is to begin the conversation of how we're going to interact as a society," Saunders said.

Inspired by the Occupy Wall Street movement in the United States, the Canadian protesters have espoused a myriad social causes.

At root is a firm belief that the gulf between rich and poor is growing, that governments serve corporate elites, not the "99 per cent" of the people.

Critics and skeptics have been quick to point out the lack of coherent demands that can be contradictory.

Outside the Vancouver Art Gallery, where tents dot almost every centimetre of dirt or bark mulch, Adam Morgan, 32, conceded critics have a point.

"We should have concrete demands," Morgan said. "Only then there could be a substantial change."

But William Waterhouse, 44, said participants have managed to come together with no rules, and form a cohesive community working toward shared goals.

"The first week is about structure and policy, not what stance or statement we should make," Waterhouse said at the Vancouver site.

Josh West, 21, a general arts student from St. Catharines, Ont., called Toronto's St. James park a "think-tank."

Occupants have just started to flesh out problems they want addressed and are not yet in a position to offer definitive solutions.

Still, despite his admiration for how the park is functioning, West has doubts about whether politicians and power-brokers are paying attention.

"I don't think they have a choice but to hear us," West said.

"Whether they're going to listen and acknowledge and actually change, I personally doubt it."

So far, politicians such as Prime Minister Stephen Harper have offered little more than a nod to the movement, though Bank of Canada Gov. Mark Carney called the protests constructive.

Occupy Wall Street began a month ago in New York and has grown to tens of thousands around the U.S. and the world.

In Chicago early Sunday, police arrested about 130 people, who stood their ground in a downtown park in noisy but peaceful defiance of police orders to leave.

So far, the Canadian protests have been peaceful, with authorities content to keep a watchful eye.

"When it is determined that we no longer have a peaceful protest, but rather an occupation of the park, we will consider options to remove the individuals," said Adrienne Batra, spokeswoman for Toronto Mayor Rob Ford.

In Edmonton, however, Melcor Development Corp., gave Occupy Edmonton protesters until Sunday at 11:00 p.m. to leave a park next to the financial district.

In response, protesters started a petition, and said they would resist the eviction.

"Part of the occupy movement is about not letting corporations decide our lives for us," said Chelsea Taylor with Occupy Edmonton.

"We have decided that we will leave on our own terms, not when we are told by a development company to do so."

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Matt Blanc
11:45 AM on 10/31/2011
OWS/North - an example of "anomie"? The following description of a sociological term, anomie (first defined by Emile Durkheim) seems to fit the OWS movement: (from Wikipedia, entry on "anomie": "Robert King Merton also adopted the idea of anomie to develop Strain Theory, defining it as the discrepancy between common social goals and the legitimate means to attain those goals. In other words, an individual suffering from anomie would strive to attain the common goals of a specific society yet would not be able to reach these goals legitimately because of the structural limitations in society. As a result the individual would exhibit deviant behavior. Friedrich Hayek notably uses the word anomie with this meaning."

I think the OWS movement has been trying to formulate the language that would describe so many people's frustration that they cannot attain our common social goals - jobs, incomes that cover expenses, a home, etc. - because of the growing realization that many people are now cut off from any way to participate in the economy.

It would have been good to have a goal in mind before these sit-ins began, and now there's really nothing more for the protestors to do except pack up and go home. But for a while they provided images and emotions that the media could report, and held up a mirror to western societies that have begun to return to Dickensian reality of super-rich and abject poverty.
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07:44 PM on 10/24/2011
I don't get how a bunch of people who obviously aren't contributing to society to begin with, can "occupy" a park, and think this is somehow going to bring about changes.
12:21 PM on 11/09/2011
...and to claim to represent 99% of population!
02:19 PM on 10/24/2011
No right is absolute. Protesters have had sufficient chance to express themselves and are now just a financial burden to taxpayers in their local area. Nothing will happen unless individual protesters become politically engaged via the multiple routes that liberal democracy makes available. Protesters simply don't understand the system. Join neighbourhood resident associations and bring concerns to city hall; run for school board; run for city council; join municipal and/or provincial and/or federal political parties; run for any office. There is no lack of democracy in the West.
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Charles the Great
Canadian/Israeli Goy in Alert,Nunavut
01:52 PM on 10/24/2011
Maybe if these hippies wanted a job they should be looking for one instead of protesting
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:33 PM on 10/24/2011
They are protesting the big corporate bailouts, but they are marching hand in hand with the unions who demanded those bailouts...
I guess they showed us how stupid they are.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:32 PM on 10/24/2011
A protester pissed on a car today...
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Stop Harper
11:56 AM on 10/24/2011
I wish the Occupy Canada movement would consider illuminating Bill C10.

Sounds crazy but I suspect corporate lobbying by big pharma, private construction companies or the private prison industrial complex has had a hand in promoting the flawed ideology behind Bill C10.

Prevention, harm reduction, restorative justice make sense.

Focus on violent crime rather than pursue citizen's personal choice of pharmaceuticals.

Who stands to gain what by incarcerating even more cannabis consumers, sex trade workers, online gamblers?

The war on drugs and prohibition is a scam that has failed the 99%.
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11:45 AM on 10/24/2011
No one seems to know what they want. Bold statement. Treat Occupy Bay Street as an informal in-service where questionms are asked. Really though most of the fuss is about the uncertainty of life. Before it was generation X and Y trying to establish themselves. Now for many they are asking what will tomorrow bring. That is the uncertainy of jobs, wages, cost of living, value of money/stocks and the general fear of sustainabilitiy. Obvious on the minds of the young are tuition fees, will I get a job, am I training for the right job, will there be a job when I get finished. the list is long. The Occupy movement will spawn into something more meaningful, more tangible as time goes on. Should the economy croak this movement will gel. Should the Goverment get control of their spending and promote growth and maintain stability within our borders the movement will fade away. There is no answer right now, just uncertainty. We will have to wait and see.
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Stop Harper
11:34 AM on 10/24/2011
Please check out this petition site:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-omnibus-crime-bill/

Target: The Honourable Rob Nicholson, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, The Harper Government
Sponsored by: Nikki Fortier

You can sign without providing your name. That's one reason why cannabis laws remain on the books. We know prohibition does not work. We know prohibition increases crime, corrupts law enforcement & the political class. To say so openly makes one vulnerable to ridicule and prosecution.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
11:20 AM on 10/24/2011
It should be a sign that there is a point where the people of the country will come together and correct leadership they feel is unjust. Canada is more just than most and so the showing was merely that of sympathy with what is happening elsewhere. But should the need arise it shows also that Canadians are not as docile as the comments below would seem to imply.
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TwoZeroOZ
10:55 AM on 10/24/2011
I should "occupy" one of their houses, and then tell them that "A big part of my beliefs is that I leave on my own terms".

This movement has no merit in Canada. This "protest" will fade from memory a year from now - and not even the protesters will be able to recall what exactly they were fighting for.
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GoldDustDreams
12:43 PM on 10/24/2011
Breaking into someone's house and squatting in their private property is entirely different from peacefully occupying public property in a protest. Section 2 of the Charter of Rights protects these people. You, on the other hand, would be a criminal.
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TwoZeroOZ
02:12 PM on 10/24/2011
I was referring to the Edmonton protest - where the "Protesters" are occupying a private land.
12:25 PM on 11/09/2011
Dude, they erected tents on city's land! There is a bylaw not to stay overnight in public parks!!! So, they are in violation of city law and must be kicked off, but not before they clean up their mess...
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Victor Saymong
Canuck up Toronto way
10:41 AM on 10/24/2011
Accomplished? Very little to zero. They are occupying St. James Park next to a church about 8 or 9 blocks from Bay Street. Very little foot traffic. It's a complete waste of time. If you want to truly make a statement occupy Nathan Philips Square or the intersection of King and Bay Streets. THEN you MIGHT have an impact.
11:06 AM on 10/24/2011
I agree. They tried to copy Occupy Wall Street but they REFUSED to occupy a financial district which is the whole point of OWS. There was a small group of people who wanted to occupy Bay St. but the people in charge completely undermined them, and specifically told the troups to stay away from Bay St.

If you don't know what you are doing, sit back down, shut the #$%# up, and don't get in the way.
12:16 PM on 10/24/2011
Why were they instructed to stay away from Bay St when that is where the financial district is?
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Sofia Champion
The future is now.
09:22 AM on 10/24/2011
Occupy Toronto has been great. I was only there for the first day, but it was super fun, everyone there was really nice and I really felt like something was gonna be accomplished -- I was right.

I'm in Montreal right now and I'm hoping to join them there too.
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anugs
09:33 AM on 10/24/2011
We'll see where everyone is when the temperature hits -30 degrees. You'll be in one of the heated buidling built by the people you're protesting about.
09:42 AM on 10/24/2011
Unionized construction workers?
11:23 AM on 10/24/2011
It was super fun?
Go bowling or do something "fun" to supporrt the economy.