Long-Gun Registry Bill: Tories Introduce Legislation

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First Posted: 10/25/11 05:00 AM ET Updated: 12/24/11 05:12 AM ET

OTTAWA - Records of the shotguns and rifles owned by Canadians would be destroyed under legislation introduced Tuesday to scrap the long-gun registry — preventing provincial or future federal governments from making use of the information.

The majority Conservative government unfurled a long-promised bill Tuesday to scrap the registration of long guns and permanently delete more than seven million files on gun ownership.

Police, health and victims' groups immediately voiced their opposition, while anglers and hunters welcomed plans for the registry's demise.

The Tories argue the registration of long guns is wasteful and unnecessary, although they support the licensing of gun owners and the registration of prohibited and restricted weapons like handguns.

"We don't want laws that target law-abiding citizens, hunters and sports shooters. We want laws that focus on the criminal and those who use firearms illegally," said Public Safety Minister Vic Toews, who joined Conservative colleagues in announcing the bill at a farm near Ottawa.

Toews has said that the more than $1 billion spent on the registry would have been better spent putting police officers on the street.

There are hints that some provinces — namely Quebec and Ontario — might begin registering long guns if the federal legislation succeeds. But they would have to start from scratch.

Toews said the Conservatives won't leave "these records loose" for use in a resurrected registry of any sort. "We will not participate in the recreation of the long-gun registry, and therefore the records that have been created under that long-gun registry will be destroyed."

Quebec Public Security Minister Robert Dutil acknowledged that the Tories' plan to wipe existing records from the registry would increase the cost of setting up a separate one. But he hasn't given up hope the federal registry will be saved.

''As Yogi Berra said, 'It ain't over till it's over.'''

An internal RCMP evaluation found the federal gun registry was a useful tool for police, and the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police maintains it contributes to community and officer safety.

Liberal MP Massimo Pacetti accused the Tories of ignoring common sense.

"Now the government wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and destroy the invaluable data collected, and oh so helpful to police."

NDP justice critic Jack Harris said destroying the registry — and the records already compiled — is inconsistent with the Harper government's oft-declared campaign against crime.

"We've got a government who's supposedly interested in helping victims and having safe communities and they're doing something that the chiefs of police are saying is going to cost lives."

He scoffed at the Tories' claim the move will save $4 million a year. "This is not about austerity. In fact, they're talking about destroying records that probably cost many millions of dollars to collect."

The Coalition for Gun Control accused the government of "an archaic rollback of the clock" and urged Canadians to tell their MPs to oppose the legislation.

Dr. Alan Drummond of the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians and an assistant coroner in Perth, Ont., called the bill an "unwelcome social experiment" by the Conservative government.

Sue O'Sullivan, the federal ombudsman for victims of crime, urged the government to maintain the registry.

"Our position on this matter is clear — Canada must do all it can to prevent further tragedies from happening, including using the tools we have to help keep communities safe, like the long-gun registry."

No law can prevent all tragedies, said activist Priscilla de Villiers, whose daughter Nina was abducted and killed with a legally owned rifle. "But a gun-control law, which includes registration and is rigorously implemented, makes it harder — not easier — for dangerous people to get firearms."

The bill garnered applause from Mike Reader, executive director of the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters.

"Supporters of the system have repeatedly stated that it works, but have consistently failed to provide anything more than empty rhetoric to support that contention."

Manitoba Attorney General Andrew Swan also praised the move, but called for other measures to prevent firearm-related crime.

"We think there's more to be done to keep illegal guns out of Canada, to stop smuggling at the border," he said. "And we're going to continue working with the federal government to make sure that gun crimes are treated with the seriousness that they deserve."

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03:18 PM on 10/26/2011
Oh, by the way, if we wan't to use the election results as a referrendum on the gun registry, more votes went to parties that want to keep it!
03:15 PM on 10/26/2011
If you feel you paid too much for your car, would you drive it off a cliff? The ongoing cost of the registry is trivial yet credible organizations and studies show it is having a significantly positive affect on safety. If you are worried about privacy, don't bother getting a bank account because they demand much more information on you than the gun registry, and they are private corporations! Why doesn't the pro gun lobby start boycotting the banks? You might as well start complaining about registering your car or even your dog at the same time!
09:46 PM on 10/25/2011
Why in this article do we have quotes from five (5) people who are against repealing the registry, and only two from people for the registry? I can't see why anyone is carrying on about it. We held an election, everyone knew what the Conservatives were going to do and they voted for it. The debate ended when the oppostion lost. Yet, these delusional anti-democratic gun controllers are still trying to scare the public with misleading and sensationalised statements about guns and their effect on the crime rate. The registry has always been about gun confiscation and treating the innocent like criminals. It is, like the rest of C68 an incredible black mark on a country that likes to pretend it supports individual rights. A just society does not encourage police to kick down the doors of peacful, law abiding citizens because they choose to legally own guns. Too many people have suffered this fate.
09:41 PM on 10/25/2011
For the two billion dollars spent on gun control (at the behest of shameless cries of 'it it could save just one life' ) we could have emplaced $15 million dollar facilities in Canada's 135 largest municipalities.

In 2008 US dollars the estimated cost per spec location would be $13.5M. I padded the number to $15 million to reflect inflated 2011 build costs.

That level of funding would have created 55,000 sq ft multi story (2-3 floors) hospital grade facilities. Source: http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/hospital/

If it saved even one life. Well, spending it in the right place would have. Unfortunately, they padded an awful long list of Liberal pockets instead.

And those are just the capital expenditures.

At an estimated cost (source: Auditor General of Canada Sheila Fraser) of $43 M per year to continue to operate the Firearms registry, those facilities would have access to an equal operating offset of $318,518.00.

That's a whole lot of fund raising someone doesn't have to go out and do. But hey. I have printed paper certificates to go along with my duck hunting rifles.

The ideal solution going forward is to mend bridges with 3.3 million Canadian gun owners and launch investigations into the conduct of those responsible for the misappropriation of nearly two billion tax payer dollars.
09:32 PM on 10/25/2011
"The Coalition for Gun Control accused the government of "an archaic rollback of the clock" and urged Canadians to tell their MPs to oppose the legislation."

That's a switch.

Last year they were literally bragging about the "irreversible ratchet of gun control". I guess there are a few things that hundreds of thousands of dollars (if not millions) of Federal grant money can't buy you. A sound argument. Popular support...
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dread
08:05 PM on 10/25/2011
I do not have a problem with registering my shot guns. I have a major problem with the wasteful, inefficient bureaucracy that the Liberals set up to buy votes. Why not register guns where we register our motor vehicles or our boats or planes.
06:34 PM on 10/25/2011
Another move that makes Harper appear to be a 12 year old spiteful schoolyard bully.

How exactly would destroying existing information be beneficial for anyone?
It seems counter intelligent.
You know?
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tooldude
06:45 PM on 10/25/2011
Because that information was a infringement on Canadians privacy, and no gov't has the right to that information.
07:06 PM on 10/25/2011
You probably believe that it's ok for the gov't to kill people though, am I right?
07:07 PM on 10/25/2011
Plus, this is not America, where we have some "god given right to bear arms"....which is ludicrous by the way.

Unless you're Yosemite Sam!!
*shoots off gun in the air* yeee haw
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
05:57 PM on 10/25/2011
"Stephen Harper is an evil genius who will turn Canda into a dictatorship, let's give him all our guns!"

Doesn't make sense for the Harper haters to be opposing him on this one.....
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
06:20 PM on 10/25/2011
$2 billion down the drain makes even more Harpe(R) haters.
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abuckley23
Published author. Visit me at Planet Kibi!
04:35 PM on 10/25/2011
Finally I can have an artillery!! And then my plan to invade and take over Alberta will become a reality... wooohahaha!
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Adrian31
60% of the time, it works everytime...
04:30 PM on 10/25/2011
This was such a waste of money and is long overdue.
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and another thing . . .
04:00 PM on 10/25/2011
The Tories must be bankrolled by the Mob these days to table this debacle. Firearms all over the place smuggled in from the U.S., American hunters coming up with their own artillery to hunt rabbits, and gun enthusiasts out killing holsteins everywhere. They are joke all to themselves. But the registry was serious business - intended to track who has what so the cops are dying on the streets in multiples from gangs, the Mob or drunk domestic situations. That was it's purpose, and it was immediately screwed up by the Liberals who introduced it. If you register your car, your marriage, your computer and all it's programmes, then why not your firearm?? Unless of course, you are a member of a Gang, the Mob or one of the drunk Domestic Disputes that kill more of our Police than anything else. If the Conservatives were really Law & Order, they'd revamp the Act and make it harder and harsher to own a killing stick and outlaw handguns entirely. This is an absurdity. More prisons but freer access to guns. Makes no sense to me.
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CanadaStan
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04:18 PM on 10/25/2011
Bigot and liar.
03:05 PM on 10/25/2011
I have to register my car or cars so what's the big deal about the long guns? I'm sure the info would be somewhat useful to a cop approaching a domestic dispute. I can't imagine being called to a residence with some drunken group fighting and arguing and knowing that there are weapons in the house. As for organized crime, guns are no problem. They don't pay attention to rules.That's the beauty about being organized. The gun registry is a non issue for these folks but it might be a useful tool to be used against disorganized crime. That is what is closest to most of us.
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04:00 PM on 10/25/2011
A trained police officer attending a domestic dispute is watching out for firearms at all times.

There is most likely just as many illegal handguns in Canada as there are registered. Illegal hands have been come across our border ever day since 1939, sure our Customs catch a few hundred per year, but about the 80% - 90% that been come across our borders that they don`t catch.

Criminals DO NOT REGISTER there handguns and shotguns.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
06:33 PM on 10/25/2011
Right wing talking point.
09:35 PM on 10/25/2011
Right wing action point. Legislative agenda point.
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db44
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02:48 PM on 10/25/2011
This program was a knee-jerk reaction to the shootings at the Univ. of Mtl. While the program may have been well-intended, its authors failed to consider all the ramifications. It became a costly nightmare that provided minimal tangible benefit and considerable problems for all. Thankfully, the program is headed for the dumpster. db
03:13 PM on 10/25/2011
I guess both you and Harper are both better informed than the law enforcement professionals that oppose dumping the registry, right?
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viennawoods
An optimistic cynic.
04:53 PM on 10/25/2011
Yes, and funny how Fantino supported the registry.... until he became a Conservative candidate and MP, and all of a sudden he opposes the registry.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
05:29 PM on 10/25/2011
The $2 billion dumpster.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
02:12 PM on 10/25/2011
The government of purported fiscal responsibility scrapping $2 billion worth of work.

Where is the outrage?
01:47 PM on 10/25/2011
The sad thing about this issue is how badly the media (and us) seem to be missing the point. The issue is not whether or not we should have a gun registry (of course we should), the issue is...how could our Federal Government blow so much money on a simple registration program. Where did all of this money go?? That is the real question. Every time our government blows a program...we blame the program. When are we going to start demanding better levels of success from our civil servants and the institutions they work for.

How much could it possibly cost to have every Canadian fill in a box on their tax return indicating if they have a weapon in the house and what is the serial number. The data could be collected electronically and s/w developed to disperse it to the various agencies requiring the information. Once base use is set up future sales can be easily tracked at the retail level. This is not rocket science people but it does seem so when you ask the government to do it....because they spent enough money to build a rocket trying to execute this simple task.

Personally, I am disgusted at the lack of competance and the lack of interest in the lack of competance.
03:14 PM on 10/25/2011
I would have said include it in the census had the Harpies not trashed it.
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viennawoods
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04:54 PM on 10/25/2011
Don't get me going on that one. What a travesty.
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CanadaStan
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06:07 PM on 10/25/2011
I disagree completely on the need for the registry, but you are absolutely correct when asking where the money went.
All the cows in Canada are registered for a couple of million bucks.

Someone made out like a bandit, or this is the record for complete incompetence.
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tooldude
06:49 PM on 10/25/2011
It was a Liberal brainchild. Of course there are billions missing