Occupy Canada Movements: Patience Starting To Wear Thin

Occupy Canada

First Posted: 10/26/11 07:23 PM ET Updated: 10/27/11 06:00 PM ET

There are signs that patience is starting to wear thin with the Occupy movements across Canada, as officials in several cities are signalling to protesters that the communities want to reclaim their public spaces.

Occupiers in some cities have been given deadlines to leave, though there are no signs that authorities are considering approaches more extreme than asking nicely.

Some are even suggesting they simply move it somewhere else, a markedly different approach to what was seen at the Occupy protests in Oakland, Calif., and Atlanta this week.

Police in Oakland fired tear gas and beanbag rounds at Occupy demonstrators Tuesday, which cleared out the site for a few hours. Police in Atlanta warned protesters there to leave a downtown park, and early Wednesday morning they moved in and arrested about 50 people.

In Calgary, where the Occupy movement has split into two factions, demonstrators occupying a prime downtown location have been asked to leave and return to the original, less high-traffic park agreed upon with authorities.

The downtown Olympic Plaza has been booked for a cultural celebration next Tuesday, so officials have asked the protesters to leave that spot Thursday so they have time to repair damage that they say has been done to the grass, washrooms, artwork and infrastructure.

"We do need these demonstrators to respect that there are others and that they don't necessarily represent the 99 per cent, but rather a smaller group of people who are making a park not available for others who have booked it," said Tom Sampson, the deputy chief of the Calgary Emergency Management Agency.

Sampson said the movement may have a good message, but judging from feedback and complaints he has heard from community members, he thinks their methods may be causing them to lose public support.

"People don't understand what their message is anymore," he said. "They don't understand what their purpose is."

Occupy protesters in Halifax have been asked to leave the public square in front of city hall by the early evening of Nov. 6, in time for the area to be cleaned up for ceremonies marking Remembrance Day and the Dignity Day Ceremony on Nov. 9, which marks Kristallnacht, when more than 30,000 Jews were arrested by the Nazis in Germany in 1938.

Mayor Peter Kelly has offered the protesters space on the Halifax Commons, a large park that's about a 20-minute walk away.

In Edmonton, protesters are occupying private property in the heart of downtown, and an event that was to be held in support of the United Way couldn't take place, said the president of the company that owns the property.

Ralph Young said his company, Melcor Developments Ltd., gave the occupiers a letter last week suggesting they pack up every night by 11 p.m. and return in the next morning. Young noted there's a smell that lingers because the only sanitation facilities are a few portable toilets.

"It's not something we condone," he said. "We have not given approval, but we have not said we're going to take any legal or police action to have them removed."

Young has heard complaints from his corporate tenants about protesters "doing bodily functions outside in the open," as well as the sudden appearance of syringes and needles nearby.

"We're just hopeful it will come to a relatively speedy and peaceful end," he said.

The mayor of London, Ont., said Wednesday that it's time for the protesters to leave a city park.

"We understand and support the right of people to stage orderly and peaceful demonstrations," he said in a statement.

"But we ask that the protesters respect our bylaws, which do not allow structures in our parks or activity that prevents others from enjoying our parks. We are getting complaints from Londoners about this."

The Occupy protests have become a hot-button issue in the Vancouver mayoral campaign.

The city has tolerated the protest so far, with a crowd of tents on the front lawn of the downtown Vancouver Art Gallery, a building that is a favourite spot for protests of all kinds.

Mayor Gregor Robertson said during a mayoral candidates debate Tuesday that he wants a peaceful resolution.

"It is your right to protest," he said Tuesday night. "It is not your right to have an encampment in our downtown."

He did not issue a deadline.

Robertson's opponent, Coun. Suzanne Anton, has said she'd give protesters a week's notice after becoming mayor "and then they'll have to be gone." She didn't elaborate on how she would make that happen.

Protesters in Toronto are occupying the park adjacent to a downtown church. The church has said it did not invite the protesters there, is not involved and has no power to evict them.

Mayor Rob Ford's spokeswoman has said that when it is no longer "a peaceful protest, but rather an occupation of the park," the city will consider removing the protesters.

City staff told the mayor's office they are working to determine next steps, Adrienne Batra said on Wednesday.

"It is important to balance public safety concerns and their right to a peaceful protest," Batra wrote in a statement.

But in Montreal, officials are showing no signs of fatigue with the occupation.

Gonzalo Nunez, a spokesman for the city, said there are no plans to remove about 200 demonstrators who set up camp in a park in front of the Montreal Stock Exchange tower.

"We recognize their right to protest in a peaceful manner," he said. "For the time being, the city is tolerating the presence of the demonstrators and the campers as long as everything is peaceful."

Comments from people online about stories on the Montreal protests tell a different story. They are overwhelmingly negative, such as one person who said they live just a few blocks away from the park.

"I don't know which 99% they think they represent but it's certainly not me," wrote the disgruntled Montrealer. "I have had to work 2 jobs most of my life and have never been out of work...So in short, just go home people."

— with files from John Lewandowski in Halifax and Peter Rakobowchuk in Montreal

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11:43 AM on 11/14/2011
The Occupy movement has reached a turning point with authority and the fact is they are actually winning when the riot squad arrives. When they begin to get edgy and resort to either force or persuasion, you've finally started getting their attention.
Now they will try to make you feel guilty for marring the public place you gathered in. Last I checked you are the public and the public owns the public squares and thoroughfares of the world! Public right of way is a right not a privilege and when they come to move you it is they who are making the error.
As a matter of human dignity it is imperative that you leave the parks and other venues as clean as you found them in order to maintain credulity as public citizens. Take your ownership seriously and play the scene by ear. Remember City Hall wants you to fight and lose thereby justifying their agenda which is to make as much money as they can before the bank shuts.
You there in your air-conditioned offices, could you last one night in a tent on the cement? Are you so blinkered that you can't see what's happening? You're all standing there sneering at the poor and unhappy because you're better than them right? There is no money where you're headed if you get the public upset enough and they quit.
Wake up Canada, start talking!
01:53 PM on 11/09/2011
Mea culpa - that should read " not part of the 99% they claim to belong ."
01:50 PM on 11/09/2011
This Occupy movement is a total sham perpetuated by the same sociopathetic crowd who show up at protest movements everywhere basically advocating anarchist views. Unfortunately , in this instance they have the sad victims of society, the drug addicts and the mentally ill who are truly homeless to run interference for them. In Calgary when they showed up with $300 tents and camping equipment from REI and similar stores, it was obvious they were not the 1% they claimed . With 30 tents set up , it was discovered that they take turns going home with about 5 staying each night and then going home to theirs mothers basements the next night. When the truly homeless camped out down at Princes Island agreed to plans to disband with a promise to find them accomodation for the winter , the anarchist pretenders from the Occupy site by City Hall went down to Princes Island and tried to berate the homeless to stay there all winter even though they really had no plans of doing the same.

It figures ! no cogent message, no plan , no ethics , no class !

A herd of cattle has more purpose in life than these pathetic clowns
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Runey
anti-religionists, converge and amass
01:11 PM on 11/09/2011
"We do need these demonstrators to respect that there are others and that they don't necessarily represent the 99 per cent, but rather a smaller group of people who are making a park not available for others who have booked it," said Tom Sampson, the deputy chief of the Calgary Emergency Management Agency."

This is the ignorance of the antagonists.. the ones against these protests. Just because you don't agree with what they are doing, doesn't "exclude you" from the 99% income bracket.
You ARE part of the 99%.
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cameron d
Don't blame me, I voted Smitherman.
10:02 PM on 11/02/2011
Rob Ford usually causes problems when he acts, so this could be a couple of interesting days here in Toronto. If he reacts negatively I believe it would really re-energize the protesters in this city.
06:13 PM on 11/01/2011
Can someone comment on the notion that some of these occupy demonstrations are receiving food from food relief agencies?
I believe in the right to protest and agree with much of what has been said at these demonstrations (I've been down to the occupy Montreal tent city a few times) but I am concerned about the idea that kitchens might be diverting food that would reach the needy to these people.

Many of these people truly from the 99% and not the poorest of the poor. They can afford to eat and feed each other without diverting food.

I am biased because I am associated with the Welcome Hall mission in Montreal and we help as many people as we possibly can. The idea that other agencies might be turning people away later on this winter because they are feeding the demonstrators makes me worry.

Surely if these demonstrators are a true slice of the 99%, they can buy their own food?
Protesting corporate greed while inadvertently taking food from the homeless isn't right in my book. pls comment thks
05:23 AM on 11/05/2011
This isn't true at Occupy Vancouver, which is the only place I can speak for. There donations are brought by individuals and cooked up by volunteers, occupiers feeding each other so to speak, as well as the homeless that have joined the camp. Nothing is being diverted from other charities although some of the homeless at the camp are among those that can't find beds at shelters.
11:02 AM on 11/07/2011
Good to know. Thanks.
03:28 AM on 10/29/2011
The crunch will come next month when the weather gets cold and it starts to snow.While I do not agreed with the Occupy movement give the protestors some credit for hanging tough. Not too many warm nights left in those tents.
10:59 PM on 10/27/2011
I expect one of two things to happen to the Occupy movement in North America.

The movement might well not survive cold weather. Only heroic protestors could.

But if the movement does not seem to dying in the cold, the powers behind our capitalist governments will try to put an end to the protests in much the same way as was attempted in Libya, Egypt and Syria.
yer
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12:07 AM on 11/05/2011
Syria? Are people about to be shot and killed? No. So it's not the same thing, right?
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Runey
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01:21 PM on 11/09/2011
Have you read any of the other articles? People are getting fairly harshly treated. Like they are criminals. Which, they aren't.
02:49 PM on 10/27/2011
Yeah right. "Now, now little people, you've had your little demonstration. Go home and feel righteous or whatever it is you little people do to celebrate your impotence." No way! It is we who tire of the "officials" and their arrogant assumptions about the limits of democracy. Let them retire to contemplate the fruits of their greed.
11:05 AM on 11/02/2011
ha ha impotence,, sounds like what most are.. can't get up and do like others,,Work for a living!!
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Runey
anti-religionists, converge and amass
01:26 PM on 11/09/2011
It's one thing to get up and do, it's another to be part of a degeneration of the entire planet, including more and more lobbying and throwing money to stop laws, regulations, and fines for the increasing pollution and externalizing of all damaging costs possible for the corporations.

This talking point is a false equivalence to the actual issue; and you confuse only your base of faux noise readers, noone else.
11:29 AM on 10/27/2011
"Mayor Rob Ford's spokeswoman has said that when it is no longer "a peaceful protest, but rather an occupation of the park," the city will consider removing the protesters."

Would that be the same Mayor Rob Ford who fled into his house and called 911 when confronted by a sixty year old woman in a 'princess warrior' costume and waving a microphone?
05:55 PM on 11/01/2011
She was "occupying" his driveway
11:21 AM on 10/27/2011
"Police in Oakland fired tear gas and beanbag rounds at Occupy demonstrators Tuesday, which cleared out the site for a few hours. "

Police in Oakland shot a veteran in the head with a rubber bullet and then threw a flash-bang grenade at those who came to his aid. Rubber bullets, like all others, are aimed. Some out of control cop aimed at the protester's head. Neither rubber bullets or flash-bang grenades are absolutely safe. Are we to suppose the cops don't know this? The protesters are not the bad guys here.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
12:14 AM on 11/05/2011
this is how the "media" work. They are outside of this event and have done everything possible to be confused about an event that isn't confusing. The system is a failure. There are no shortage of issues to point to. Thus even discussing it ruins shareholder value thus the media are "confused"
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11:09 AM on 10/27/2011
PROTESTS ARE DESIGNED TO BE INCONVENIE­NT i think this global recession or more like depression should go how about that

SOLIDARITY FROM COLUMBUS, OHIO U.S.A

ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!! NOW AND FOREVER!!!!
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
11:09 AM on 10/27/2011
I guess Canada just likes being behind the times. There has been a meager turnout of protestors in Canada (which I understand, we don't have nearly the problems that the USA has, in terms of income disparity and gutting of social services), and people are tired of them already. What a bunch of lazy losers we are. I used to brag about being Canadian. Maybe I need to start pretending to be American, so I can stand proud. They are fighting against the growing inequity on this planet, and we are growing bored of the protestors. This country is starting to make me sick!
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06:13 PM on 10/27/2011
Until the US realizes that industry no longer provides the tax base and continue spending money on military activity and the political process they will never be able to address the problems of the people. They continue to reduce the basic services a society deserves. When society is supported in thier daily lives they in turn will support their government. Right now they support no one and want change. It will happen. They have no choice. Large companies should start by bringing business home. People in turn need to show their support by buying USA only.
11:08 AM on 11/02/2011
Funny the same who probably voted for Change are the whiners most probably protesting..
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gravescanada
Bipolar-Playing life on hard mode!
10:04 AM on 10/27/2011
Bob Dylan, so appropriate for our times.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
06:14 PM on 10/27/2011
Is this a re-run of the 60's? I think the American dream is dead.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
06:16 PM on 10/27/2011
Times are a Changin........................1964. Flower power. Misplaced song my friend for a different period of time with different values. Will it rock again? Maybe.
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gravescanada
Bipolar-Playing life on hard mode!
11:36 AM on 10/28/2011
We can only hope. Wait, we can also freely assemble and protest the inequities in our current social and political system. Democracy is a messy process. Wish the USA had a true Democracy. But alas we are a Republic. A true Democracy would have seen Al Gore, who won the most votes in the 2000 election become President. Instead it came to partisan members of both parties counting ballots, and it was the hanging chad that decided the direction our country went in 2000. Bush had 50,456,002 47.87% and Al Gore had 50,999,897 48.38%
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DJGryce
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07:22 AM on 10/27/2011
Shit, they say Canada gives up?...FUCK THAT Canada, USA, U.K., & THE 99% DOESNT GIVE UP, WE SHOW UP & SHOW OUR VOICE R HEARD!!! DONT FUCK WITH US!!!