Mark Carney, Bank of Canada Governor, Says Greece Referendum Right Thing To Do

Greece Referendum Stock Markets Plunge

First Posted: 11/01/11 09:35 AM ET Updated: 11/02/11 04:40 PM ET

OTTAWA - Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney says he respects the Greek prime minister's controversial call for a referendum on a new bailout package, saying the vote could be useful if it helps build support for necessary austerity.

But within hours, the question of whether such a vote would take place was up in the air as members of George Papandreou's government threatened to revolt over the surprise announcement.

With events in a flux, a confidence vote was planned for Friday raising the prospect of a government collapse and more uncertainty over last week's European deal meant to simultaneously bail out Greece and backstop banks.

The new crisis adds even more pressure on G20 leaders meeting in France later in the week to bring a sense of calm to situation and restore market confidence that policy-makers know what they are doing.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty described the situation as "fragile and uncertain," in opening remarks to the Commons finance committee Tuesday afternoon.

Meanwhile, Ontario Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said the impact of the Greek debt crisis on financial markets shows "how interdependent the world economies are."

"A relatively small government with a relatively small economy like Greece can, through an unanticipated announcement, so affect world markets," Duncan said after a speech to the Toronto Board of Trade.

At the end of the day, Greece's choices will impact ours, just as the tsunami did in Q2 in terms of our growth in GDP,"

Earlier, the central bank governor said a referendum could be useful if it helps grow support for tough measures that will need to be implemented.

"It is imperative that there is widespread support, broad democratic support for these measures because they will unfold over a period of time," Carney said.

"If this is a judgment of the Greek government that this is the best approach to validate that support, we fully respect that."

Carney told the committee later that he still expects bailout measures announced by Europe last week will contain the situation — "but that’s different than resolving the issues, (which) ... is going to take years."

Details still need to be ironed out and Europe must implement the initiatives, and there may still be additional measures needed, he cautioned.

"There are clear downside risks," Carney said.

Investors saw the Greek announcement as a major problem. Both Toronto's and New York's main indexes dropped more 200 points on the news, while the Canadian dollar took a pounding, falling 1.73 cents to 98.29 US.

Liberal critic Ralph Goodale, a former finance minister, said Greece's intention to consult the public increases "the risk it may now go sideways."

There has been widespread opposition among many ordinary Greeks to the debt deal, which would require the country to cut tens of thousands of public sector jobs, boost taxes and sell off government companies and other assets.

In return, it would get new loans from European authorities and the banks would lose a big chunk of the value of their old bonds.

Many observers fear a Greek debt default could lead to tens of billions of dollars in losses at European banks who hold the country's bonds.

That would squeeze bank lending to consumers and businesses and lead to a European recession, which could spill over into the rest of the world, including Canada.

Markets will be looking for G20 leaders to unveil more details at their two-day summit in Cannes, which start Thursday. The summit is also expected to confirm Carney as the new head of the Financial Stability Board, placing the Canadian central banker at the forefront of measures to reform global financial markets.

Carney told the committee the European debt crisis remains the biggest concern for the global economy as well as Canada's.

He was invited to speak on the central bank's latest forecast, issued last week, which forecasts growth in Canada's gross domestic product will slow to below one per cent as the year winds down, and grow only by 1.9 per cent next year.

Most private sector economists are not as pessimistic, noting that the latest data for July and August GDP, released Monday, suggests a slightly higher growth profile.

Carney stuck to his earlier prediction, however. He said Canada's economy faces considerable headwinds, including the persistently strong dollar and U.S. weakness, both of which is posing challenges to the country's exporters.

One upside possibility, he added, is if the U.S. passes President Barack Obama's $447-billion jobs package, which he said could lift U.S. GDP by as much as 1.3 percentage points. That would likely translate in higher growth in Canada as well.

Reporting on the upcoming agreement between the bank and the government on a new five-year mandate, Carney suggested that his main job will continue to be keeping inflation within a strict range.

NDP members of the committee urged that the governor also take into account unemployment and economic growth, but Carney said the bank's experience was that "targeting two per cent inflation is the best contribution that monetary policy can make to low unemployment."

Still, the central banker suggested there may be some minor tweaks to the mandate, expected to be announced within weeks.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty was scheduled to speak to the committee later Tuesday.

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02:11 AM on 11/02/2011
Good for the Greeks, democracy means democracy, government by the people, of the people for the people, Governments' primary purpose is not to bail out bankers who loaded too much on Greek debt.

For better or worse the Greeks have a right to decide whether the current deal is fair or they think they can get a better deal- not the Eurocrats who are beholden to the banks.

Hey, they held off the barbarian Empire of the East, they can surely handle the Armani suits and the Rolexes.
09:36 PM on 11/01/2011
Oh Greece - how powerful you are! With your amazing amounts of imports and exports your little nation seems to pull the powerful strings of the global economy with no impunity!

This is nothing more than a smoke screen for something else going on that we aren't hearing about because to say Greece is an essential pillar in global economics is outright ridiculous.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
05:30 PM on 11/01/2011
This is an excellent article explaining what lies behind the Greek crisis. Surprisingly, it's not the banks' fault.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/michael-lewis-on-greeces-budget-woes/article2210067/print/
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
05:24 PM on 11/01/2011
I have a friend who's Swiss. He's just laughing about all of this since the Swiss Franc is skyrocketing against the Euro. That's the problem with common currencies; everyone can be dragged down by a single weak link.
05:32 PM on 11/01/2011
Well your friend may be laughing but the Swiss government is not. They know that with such a high Franc it also hurts the country because their products and services become too expensive for other European countries to purchase; then no money is coming in. I live in Switzerland and you can see many businesses here are offering Euro rebates to encourage EU people to buy!

So the joke may be on your friend!
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
05:41 PM on 11/01/2011
Maybe, but he's in the travel business so his product has become a bargain for his customers.
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Hijeetz Mipanz
November 2012, The End of a Mistake.
04:30 PM on 11/01/2011
I hope Greece votes it down. They are so overburdened by government debt and unfunded pensions they will fail. The European Union will give them the boot and move on. Greece will face years of recovery and will most likely end up a third world nation.
03:47 PM on 11/01/2011
So, Greece debt was cut in half by EU, and next instalment of bail out money was paid.
Seems to me like now we have entire country (Greece) on welfare!
03:25 PM on 11/01/2011
"Carney's remarks went against the grain of business-community opinion." Hey, this guy is sounding like a real adult. You heard it here first: Carney for the Liberal Party leadership!
02:48 PM on 11/01/2011
And here's the rub, public administration and politics are _not_ the indentured servants of economies. At best there's a tenuous relationship between two. "Carney's remarks went against the grain of business-community opinion Tuesday." Government is not, nor should it be run as a business and for business. Governments are of the people and by the people. This is the challenge of democracy and where real deliberative democracy meets the facades and spinning doctoring of politics. At the end of the day, right or wrong, the Greek people must decide where they are going. As advocates of free and democratic governments, I see no choice but to support the referendum option. The alternative is forcing the Greek people to be indentured servants of a State that does not represent their interests. Just like people, the Greece has to do what Greece must do to be Greece. And the market and other governments will react - with one of two options: politics (diplomacy) or war... (i hope it's the former)
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montezaro
01:43 PM on 11/01/2011
My view on countries in debt changed quite a bit after seeing the documentary on YouTube "Debtocracy". There is a version with English subtitles. Worth watching.
Ecuador, for example, did an audit (took them quite some time) only to discover that the majority of their debt was by all international laws - illegal.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
05:38 PM on 11/01/2011
Thanks for the tip. Will definitely watch it.
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skbull44
Check out Olduvai the novel
01:36 PM on 11/01/2011
My favourite line in the article is this "traders piled into the safe haven status of the US dollar"...with real unemployment being between 17-22% (www.shadowstats.com), debt about 300% of GDP (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/steve-keen-and-chris-martenson-explain-why-its-all-about-debt), and the Fed having to contemplate more quantitative easing (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/fomc-minutes-some-fed-officials-sought-retain-option-qe3), the US may be safe relative to Europe but its pyramid scheme is just as fragile or worse...
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pickles n pops
Restore pre-1981 income and inheritance tax rates
03:16 PM on 11/01/2011
Bernanke is a disaster.
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Hijeetz Mipanz
November 2012, The End of a Mistake.
04:32 PM on 11/01/2011
Exactly! Which is why I have loaded up on Platinum, Gold and Silver!
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TonyOnly
Truth matters.
11:37 AM on 11/01/2011
My first thought was, has Papandreou lost his olives?

But then again, maybe Papandreou knows his country better than we do. Maybe his research tells him the protesters don't represent the majority of Greeks. Maybe the majority of Greeks would prefer the Eurozone austerity measures as opposed to the alternative.

If Papandreou wins the referendum, then this is an excellent way to tell the Eurocrats, Greece is not going to give up it's sovereignty. And at the same time it would go a long way towards maintaining the social peace in his country.

Like it or not, these are things Papandreou has to deal with. So it may be better to back him than trash him.
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Leader Newworldparty
11:27 AM on 11/01/2011
Read:

Democracy: Cause of Debt Problems

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/08/democracy-cause-of-debt-problems.html
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Hijeetz Mipanz
November 2012, The End of a Mistake.
04:33 PM on 11/01/2011
You mean Democrats: Cause of Debt Problems.
08:27 AM on 11/02/2011
Your comment speaks volumes. The Right doesn't care about democracy - in fact true democracy scares the heck out of them because they'd never win in the U.S. if everyone really voted. Why so much voter suppression effort?
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
09:53 AM on 11/01/2011
I will be the first to admit that I do not understand all of the complexities of this situation (does anyone?). But, I keep wondering why the EU doesn't just chuck Greece out.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
11:35 AM on 11/01/2011
I think they should chuck them out just because safe banking countries like ours are at the mercy of those who do not practice safe banking laws.
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
05:37 PM on 11/01/2011
"At the mercy of" is a bit of an exaggeration. The ability of a financial crisis in another country to affect us in dependent on many factors, including the amount of trade we have with that country. The fact that Canada was able to weather a crisis originating in the US -- which is our largest trading partner -- shows the relative strength of our financial system.

Of course if we keep electing parties that claim to be prudent financial managers and then turn around and proceed to spend more than they take in, that situation could easily change.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
11:37 AM on 11/01/2011
ps if you want a definition of corrupt look up Greece in the dictionary.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
05:03 PM on 11/01/2011
Well, Goldman Sachs taught them how to hide their debt so that they could get into the EU. Haven't heard about any repercussions for GS.