Occupy Vancouver: City Debates Use Of Force To End Protest

Occupy Vancouver

First Posted: 11/01/11 08:04 PM ET Updated: 11/02/11 04:40 PM ET

VANCOUVER - Vancouver's police chief says he isn't interested in dispersing Occupy Vancouver protesters by force because the tactic simply hasn't worked in U.S. cities.

Chief Jim Chu appeared in front of city council Tuesday and was asked by the mayor his opinion of the city's "wait-and-watch" approach to resolving the demonstration, part of a global movement.

"In other jurisdictions where they tried to end it with police interventions, it hasn't ended it," Chu told the public meeting, as councillors asked questions of senior city staff and mulled over how best to bring about a peaceful resolution.

Chu noted that when officers descended on the demonstration in Oakland, Calif., protesters reconverged in equal numbers. Riot-clad police raided the camp last week and used tear gas to drive out crowds, yet the camp returned the next day.

The city report noted using the hardline police approach has also not worked in Chicago or Melbourne. Mass arrests have been made in Denver, Portland and Perth. Officials in London abandoned attempts at seeking a court injunction.

Chu said he's been closely following developments in Canadian and U.S. cities. He said if council decides police should move in, he would rather council get a court order first before asking police to act.

"We have experienced (protests) in the city before," he said.

"Our goal in the police department is to help facilitate lawful protest. We're seeing ourselves as peace officers. (We) want to ensure no criminal acts take place."

City staff provided council with an update Tuesday on the village that's sprung up in the downtown core on the front lawn of the iconic Vancouver Art Gallery.

Tuesday's council meeting was the final one before the upcoming municipal election, and one councillor who's vying for the mayor's job tried to ask the city to shut the activism down.

But city manager Penny Ballem told council neither police, firefighters nor health officials have raised imminent concerns for the upwards of 150 daytime participants or 60 people who remain in tents each night.

She noted that going to the courts to get an injunction would require showing there are significant risks to the public and that process could still take days or weeks.

"We would be challenged to find a reason for a court to take any action," she said.

Should that change, however, Chu explained how the situation might be resolved.

He said if protesters refused to leave despite being legally compelled by an injunction, the city would then be required to obtain an enforcement order.

At that point police would do their job, he said.

"Of course when we go in, we're certainly trying as best we can to do this with at least force possible, with the best co-operation from people. That's what we would strive for," he said.

Occupy protests against what demonstrators say is corporate greed are occurring in 1,700 cities around the world, noted Ballem in her update.

Ballem and Mayor Gregor Robertson said they have hopes of negotiating a peaceful resolution.

Ballem acknowledged it was likely owing to the Stanley Cup riot that more police and other first responders were out during the first weekend of protest, ballooning costs. Marches and the occupation in Vancouver began on Oct. 15, in solidarity with the Occupy Wall Street protest that started it all.

Ballem said while the protest has cost the city half a million dollars so far, the relatively calm and co-operative nature of the group still on the land has allowed the city to reduce costs.

The protest has been going on amidst a civic election campaign.

Robertson's main rival in the Nov. 19 vote demanded he outline for council his plans on how to bring the situation to resolution.

"People are good, protest is good, but the tents are not and they're causing a significant inconvenience," said Coun. Suzanne Anton.

Robertson accused her of grandstanding.

"We've been hearing from staff across the board here that many of those risks are being managed," Robertson said, adding he is looking for a peaceful solution.

"We don't want the kind of mistakes that have been made in other cities that provoked violence."

In fact, Anton's attempt to have the Occupy Vancouver camp shutdown failed when nobody on council seconded her motion.

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02:51 AM on 11/04/2011
I'm curious as to what their list of demands are? I've been following some media reports of the protest, but thus far I haven't heard of any specific and realistic demands, or how these demands are suppose to be met while still promoting a growing economy. It also seems to vary from city to city and depending on who you are talking to.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
07:43 PM on 11/02/2011
How many rapes this week?
How many robberies?
Oh, wait, the liberal media isn't going to report on any of THAT about their pet hippies...
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cameron d
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09:54 PM on 11/02/2011
What's your problem with good ol' fashioned protest? How is it effecting you exactly? They aren't stopping you from your day to day life. Go complain elsewhere.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
12:23 AM on 11/03/2011
Good old fashioned protests include rapes?
Gee, you mean the CBC didn't mention the rapes?
Wow!
I AM amazed!
06:45 PM on 11/02/2011
Fire hoses are quite simple, effective and plain fun.
06:44 PM on 11/02/2011
GREAT!! Lets follow along like all the other Marxists and pretty soon we will have another Cuba. It WAS the greatest coffee bean producer in the world. When producers were treated the same as non producers, the producers stopped producing. What are the results?
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12:56 PM on 11/02/2011
When the protests turn into an irritant for the people of Vancouver, they likely do more harm than good.
12:32 PM on 11/02/2011
The only way to end these protests is for local government to reach out to protesters and for protesters to bring action items to the table. There are many issues on the table BUT this nonsense that there is no "common message" is just absolute disinformation. There are common issues to all protest movements across the globe and that's where the focus needs to be for now.

Any kind of violence, any kind of attempt to use force to stop the protests will only result in a larger protest movement. Law enforcement needs to start asking themselves who they ultimately serve. Certainly, keep the protest movement peaceful and lawful but when it comes to forceful eviction, think very carefully about who's side you're on.
11:55 AM on 11/02/2011
Jim Chu, Gregor Robertson:
Just read The 3rd Alternative by Stephen R. Covey. Why can't you use this approach with the protesters to solve the difficult problem, not MY way, not Your way, but Our way. Let Vancouver lead the way in a new type of thinking and hearing. Have the protesters choose a few spokesmen and women to take part in brainstorming and avoid violence and costs to the city.
11:13 AM on 11/02/2011
Police interference will confirm our worldview.
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dtrobert
10:21 AM on 11/02/2011
Not interested in using force, because it hasn't worked elsewhere? That's like saying: I'm not interested in shooting all of them, because it hasn't worked in World War II....

How about: using force is unjustified, and is likely illegal?
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TwoZeroOZ
10:34 AM on 11/02/2011
Is this really a protest? Don't protests need a cause?
The protests in America have a pretty firm and solid cause, what's wrong with us that we "protest" with no good reason as to why? Are we just following along our big brother's footsteps because it's cool?
10:53 AM on 11/02/2011
You're right, OZ. This is only a handful of wannabes whom have jumped on the American bandwagon.
They do so on the backs of many good causes fighting for scraps from the municipal budget. There will be a lot of discretionary funds spent on this masturbatory exercise that would have otherwise gone to homeless and women's shelters, cultural events, transition programs, etc. etc.
I don't hear any of the occupiers explaining how they will make up for the grief they've cause the most vulnerable.
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JackHoffman
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02:05 PM on 11/02/2011
The Occupy movement was created in Canada by a handful of citizens of Vancouver and exported to the US. Read something, sometime.
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sgillhoolley
Occupy the discussion.
10:15 AM on 11/02/2011
It is nice to see that some members of government still care about freedom.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:01 AM on 11/02/2011
You weren't very good at the last one and that was a supposed celebration turned ugly. I don't think any politician or city official wants to have serious results on their hand to what is presently a peacfeul occupation. If it turns bad it could even be uglier. Remember the last one and these people were just having fun. Right now it is out where you can see it.
09:32 AM on 11/02/2011
If you can't beat them, join them. Have tents sponsored by Suncor, RBC, TransCanada Pipelines etc. Play Barry Manilow loud, starting at 5:00 every morning. Have job fairs and free haircuts for everyone. :)
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dtrobert
10:22 AM on 11/02/2011
Job fairs? None of the companies you mention are creating any real jobs, so why the hell would they hold a job fair?
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TwoZeroOZ
10:32 AM on 11/02/2011
Did they replace their workforce with robots already? Wow the future comes quick!
10:43 AM on 11/02/2011
You might want to Google jobs in Fort McMurray, son.
These companies are keeping Canada out of the economic sewer.