Canada-US Price Gap: Mark Carney Says Canadian Shoppers Pay 11 Per Cent More Than Americans

Us Canada Price Gap

First Posted: 11/02/11 02:47 PM ET Updated: 11/03/11 07:31 AM ET

OTTAWA - Canadian shoppers are paying an average of 11 per cent more than Americans for the same goods, Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney said Wednesday.

Testifying before a Senate committee looking into the price gap, Carney said results of the bank's September survey — while still showing a major price gap — were nonetheless an improvement over a similar survey in April which put the difference at 18 per cent.

The April results were not far off those of a Bank of Montreal study, also conducted in the spring, which assessed the gap at about 20 per cent.

Carney said there could be a number of factors that contribute to the "stickiness" of prices despite currency fluctuations that have seen the loonie trading around par with the U.S. dollar in recent months.

Among those factors are higher taxes, retail labour costs that are about 20 per cent higher in Canada, a smaller population, higher transportation costs and economies of scale which allow retailers south of the border to reduce costs.

But competition from U.S. retailers does not appear to be much of a worry for Canadian retailers, he said, despite stories of angry Canadians taking their business south.

While the cross-border shopping phenomenon does effect Canadian retailers close to the U.S. border, it is a minor factor in the overall picture, he said.

"The actual scale of cross border shopping is quite modest, about two per cent of retail sales," Carney said.

"The degree of competition that has engendered does not appear to have been determinant in forcing a more rapid adjustment in prices to the currency," he added.

Carney also shot down a complaint often cited by the Retail Council of Canada that tariffs can add up to 18 per cent on the imported costs of some consumer items.

Last month, Finance Department officials testified that most goods that cross the border are duty free and where duties do apply, they tend to be small.

Carney said the central bank has not done a detailed analysis of tariffs, but voiced the same opinion. "While there are tariff differentials, the differences are not that large," he said.

The Senate committee was asked in September to look into the issue that has been a source of irritation among Canadian consumers, who continue to pay significantly higher prices for everything ranging from books to automobiles and gasoline despite the high Canadian dollar.

In testimony last month, federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty told the committee that Canadians have every right to be angry about paying more than Americans for the same goods. He said he would look into the issue of tariffs if the committee found they were a major factor.

Also in previous testimony, the committee has been told that a price gap may always exist between Canada and the U.S. regardless of the time retailers have to adjust.

Carney agreed that the cost structure in the Canadian market could result in a persistent price "wedge" between the two countries.

Efforts to create a uniform North American market with identical tariffs and regulations will help close the gap, he said, but not completely.

"We still will have issues with one of the great benefits of this country, its vastness and the dispersed population and it costs (more) to ship," he noted.

But Carney said there could be some closing of the gap in future years.

"It is not lost on the retail sector that the square foot return in Canada is now higher than it is in the United States," he said, which could lead to more American retailers locating north of the border and increasing competition.

The governor said the bank looks at the impact of currency fluctuations on prices in order to calculate the effect on future inflation. He said as a rule of thumb, a 10 per cent gain in the value of the loonie can lower inflation by 0.4 per cent.

By Julian Beltrame, The Canadian Press
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OTTAWA - Canadian shoppers are paying an average of 11 per cent more than Americans for the same goods, Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney said Wednesday.Testifying before a Senate committee looking ...
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
12:52 AM on 11/04/2011
A one litre bottle of Bacardi Rum in the liquor store $34. A 1 litre bottle of Bacardi Rum at the airport $29. A one litre bottle of Bacardi Rum in the airport at Cabo San Lucas $19. A one litre bottle of Bacardi Rum at the Walmart in Cabo San Lucas $13. I'm sure I could find a sale price but why run around. I bet you Cuba is even cheaper. It is all about where you buy it and what it cost to get it there including the decor.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
12:42 AM on 11/04/2011
Canadians can't say no. They have this got to have mentality and companies know that. Just look at the line up at an Apple Store. Maybe a poor example but too many things cost more but Canadians will pay. Cars are a good example. Canadians surveyed admit they know that car is costing more but for their reasons chose to buy it versus not.
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SkeeBee
Offending InFoxtrination Sufferers With Facts.
03:41 PM on 11/03/2011
Why do we pay more.
Simple historical fact:
Traditionally a resourced based Branch Plant Economy.
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02:42 PM on 11/03/2011
The supply-side management (read "government enforced cartel") of milk and eggs is a big part of the problem. That someone can't start up a dairy farm without first purchasing the "right" to sell milk is an abomination. This should be done away with.
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Izzy66
Agree to Disagree
02:28 PM on 11/03/2011
I'd pay 11 cents more if retail workers received a livable wage and I had access to healthcare.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
01:33 PM on 11/03/2011
Continued form other comment...

One example was a tv stand retail for 100$, only costed them 10.... 1000% profit... this is obscene. SOmehow we have lost common sense economics that tells us if poor and middle class have more money, to buy more and keep spending it everywhere rather than getting ripped off by some big box store overcharging 1000% that all gets caught up in their profits and doesn't "trickle down" to the workers under, they will actually do better for the economy, spend more and spend more places..
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Kristopher Leang
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01:33 PM on 11/03/2011
a. i didnt see prices drop 7 percent since the last figure i saw here on Huffington said we are paying more and b. the Bank of Montreal's numbers are probably closer to the truth in my own observation across the border at ogdensburg. Cars, clothes, food electronics ect.

Carney is also right that the problem is being over exaggerated only a small percent compared to the big picture do indeed cross border shop. but with duty (and i work at a post office and sometimes 100$ packages have 30$ in duty, 14 dollars in HST and then 16 in "duty". what does that even mean not only are canadians getting charged taxes on it they are getting overcharged."

unlike an American though i realize there is no such thing as a free lunch. things may be slightly more expensive here because our minimum wage is 3$ more. more practically though it beaks down to corporations and the heads trying to squeeze as big a profit as they can. THis is coming form someone whose worked in merchandizing and retail forever. Future shop's markup is ridiculous.
01:29 PM on 11/03/2011
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I think Mr Beardsley has got his focus wrong. Certainly there are problems with our farm products marketing system, but from my perspective they have served us better in the past and likely will better in the future than the American system that is dominated by huge industrial farming corporations.
What I think he should be focusing on is retail products sales, and fuel oil and gas. In retail sales, even with a dollar that is basically on par, we seem to pay much more for the products we use day to day from retailers that sell on both sides of the border, than our neighbours to the south. In oil and gas, why have our gas prices gone up so much when oil prices are actually less than they have been in the past? Sure the refining costs have gone up but to suggest that they have gone up this much seems unlikely.
Nobody minds a company making a profit, but the year over year profits for these huge corporations just seem to rising at a rate that is well beyond any increase in average household income. Our federal government seems to be taking a hands off approach to what feels like price gouging and I guess that is to be expected given their pro business point of view. Somehow and at some time, we must have a strong organization, with teeth, that is willing to watch and confront these people.
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piceaglauca
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12:47 AM on 11/04/2011
Economies of scale and costs.You sell ten at a lower price or one at a higher price. Everything has to be paid therefore the cost of an end product will reflect the overhead. 330 million people vs 33 milion. 10x the population 1/10 the cost. Fair arguement? Two markets not one. Different laws, taxes, tariffs, duties, you name it.
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elizlucinda
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
01:16 PM on 11/03/2011
I recently tired to purchase a book at Chapters for the American price in american dollars. I wasn't allowed to do it but I wanted to make a point to them
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westcoastsc
Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhe
01:09 PM on 11/03/2011
Because you have wisely kept protectionist policies that keep your jobs more secure, your wages higher, and services better.
12:37 PM on 11/03/2011
there would be a lot more canadins shoping if they didnt need a pass port.
11:34 AM on 11/03/2011
I don't mind the food stuff, but for electronics and items like that it kind of annoys me that we are still paying more than the Americans even though our dollar is at a higher value.
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Nick Hatch
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
12:35 PM on 11/03/2011
Really? I'd think food prices being more equal should be the main concern since no one has a choice to purchase food. Electronics goods are at least a discretionary expense - and a market with very very low markups compared all other retail goods.
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elizlucinda
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
01:07 PM on 11/03/2011
I'm annoyed when I have to pay a 20-25% differential for magazines and books that could be printed and distributed in Canada.
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Jonny Boy
11:29 AM on 11/03/2011
Having just moved from Indiana to Ontario I must say the price is much higher than 11% here in Canada. Here is where I found huge difference:
1.Car Insurance: I was paying $70/month in IN and now I’m paying $210/month in ON
2.Gas: $3/Gallon in IN VS almost $5/Gallon in ON
3.Beer, wine and milk: Almost double in ON than IN
4.Public Transpiration: Since IN don’t have the best public transit I’ll compare Chicago to Toronto. In Chicago a daily pass is $5.75, in Toronto it is $10. You get the idea.
5.Airfare from YYZ is $200-300 more than closest US cities of Buffalo or Detroit to the same destination.

Having said that average groceries like fruits, vegetables and seafood are cheaper in Ontario but overall people here pay way more than in US. But again you should not forget the Healthcare system.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
11:45 AM on 11/03/2011
Now you know why we would not trust the insurance industry with our health care, they all ready rip us off for car insurance.
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ljkcan
I don't let geographical borders limit my thinking
08:54 PM on 11/03/2011
So sorry "already"
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Nick Hatch
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
12:36 PM on 11/03/2011
The question remains: why did you move to Ontario from Indiana? Are you making more money in Ontario? My sister moved to London, England and she pays way more for most goods except food. She also gets paid in pound sterling.
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tjones86
11:07 AM on 11/03/2011
Cheaper food = fatter Americans.

Fatter Americans = More health problems.

More health problems + A healthcare system that's ran like a corporation = more sickly uninsured and dying Americans.

The grass isn't always greener...
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Blacksheep1
Keeping the Left honest, 7 days a week!
11:07 AM on 11/03/2011
Simple answer: Your country is an overtaxed, nanny state.....
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NYJedi
11:28 AM on 11/03/2011
Simple comment from a simple tr0ll.
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elizlucinda
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
01:08 PM on 11/03/2011
simple answer from a simple mind