Rae Accuses Flaherty Of Downplaying Economic Turmoil

Bob Rae

First Posted: 11/09/11 04:27 PM ET Updated: 11/10/11 09:36 PM ET


Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae said Wednesday that Finance Minister Jim Flaherty is downplaying the potential impact of Europe's economic crisis on Canada as he laid out his own vision for the country's economic prosperity.


A day after Flaherty gave a fall economic update in Calgary, Rae said the finance minister didn't acknowledge the seriousness of the situation in his speech to the Calgary Chamber of Commerce or that Europe's problems are not going to be solved quickly.


"In fact, I think one has to say that even in his statement yesterday, Mr. Flaherty seriously underestimated and understated just how serious this crisis is, and its potential for truly catastrophic results from an economic standpoint," Rae said during his own speech to the Economic Club of Canada in Toronto.


Flaherty confirmed that the federal budget won't be balanced until 2015, a year later than the Conservative government had planned. The adjustment came as no surprise to Rae.


"He hasn't met a target he's set since 2006," he said, referring to when the Conservatives took power.


Flaherty was preaching prudence during his economic update, Rae said, but he called Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives one of the most imprudent governments he's ever seen.


He cited the government's omnibus crime bill and plan to buy 65 F-35 fighter jets as top examples of how the government is wasting taxpayer dollars. He later told reporters that the G8 and G20 summits hosted in Ontario last year are further examples of waste. He said the Conservatives allowed spending to grow "very dramatically" even before the last recession hit and that the country is now paying a price.


"We have to come back and say to Mr. Flaherty, 'If you want to be taken seriously as a manager of the economy, you're going to have to deal with the waste in your government.' We are certainly going to be focusing more and more of our attention on how wasteful some of their spending is and how it's not productive," Rae said.


Liberals call for EI premium freeze


Rae also criticized the government in his speech over the employment insurance premiums for employees and employers that are slated to increase on Jan. 1, 2012. Flaherty announced Tuesday that the planned hike would be cut in half and the premiums will instead rise by up to five cents per $100 for employees and seven cents per $100 for employers.


The Liberals say the premiums shouldn't be going up at all, and should be frozen.


"This is the wrong time to be raising direct taxes on jobs," said Rae. "A premium is a tax and payroll taxes discourage hiring. The additional burden of $600 million on businesses is coming just as the economy is slowing down. We still think the Conservatives should change course even further."


As part of his vision for job growth and economic growth, Rae called on the government to reform the income tax regime and put an end to "endless boutique tax credits and changes that respond to the flavour of the month politics that is now the hallmark of the political right."


The income tax credits do nothing to help the eight million Canadians who are exempt from paying income tax because their incomes are too low, said Rae, adding that the tax system has become a "haven for loopholes."


Liberals would aim to create a simpler and more clear tax code, he said.


The Conservatives shot back in reaction to Rae's economic policy speech and comments, criticizing his record from when he was the NDP premier of Ontario. Conservative MP Ted Menzies, minister of state for finance, said in an email to CBC News that Canadians know Rae's "dreadful economic record."


Menzies said Rae's policies in Ontario in the 1990s caused higher debt, taxes and unemployment.


"Rae's economic mismanagement was a complete disaster for workers and taxpayers," Menzies said, adding that Rae continues to pursue policies that would "kill jobs" and raise taxes.


Rae's speech outlined a number of other broad policy directions. He called for the government to commit to long-term infrastructure projects, mass transit for cities, new national strategies on health, education and poverty, better education, housing and health services for aboriginal communities, more greening of the economy and encouraging businesses to find new markets abroad.


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11:07 AM on 11/10/2011
Bob Rae isn't even the leader of the opposition, yet he's On Huff Post all the time. Thank God the prime minister is Stephen Harper and not him !!!!
Donna Meness
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03:57 AM on 11/10/2011
Their corporate tax rate is 34.2% and Harper and Flaherty are attempting to reduce ours to 15%, roughly half. And under the current agreement, the difference goes directly to the American treasury. $500 million annually for every point difference.

Statscan's former chief statistician Munir Sheikh
The Globe and Mail

A Canada-U.S. tax gap means a Canada-U.S. tax transfer ..

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/a-canada-us-tax-gap-means-a-canada-us-tax-transfer/article1991567/
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CanadaStan
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10:18 AM on 11/10/2011
Anyone who knows anything about US taxes knows with the huge number of loopholes the US rate is far lower than advertised here.
Yawn.
Donna Meness
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03:57 AM on 11/10/2011
How much money the Canadian taxpayer gives to the American treasury every year. A gift with nothing in return, because we ask for nothing in return.

I can think of so many better ways to spend 4-6 billion annually, can't you?

Munir Sheikh had an op-ed piece in the Globe: A Canada-U.S. tax gap means a Canada-U.S. tax transfer

"Under Article XXIV of the Canada-U.S. tax treaty, any U.S. citizen, resident or company earning income in Canada is subject to U.S. tax, with a credit for Canadian tax paid or accrued."

This means that our lower corporate tax rate is not an incentive for American companies to invest in Canada, because there is no net benefit.

Any savings here are paid there.

The notion of corporate taxes having a trickle down affect is not new.

It was tried in Canada before Harper. At the time it was thought of as plausible, now it is only laughable.

There is no trickle down, only a gusher upward to the wealthiest citizens.

And corporations do not reinvest the money to create jobs. They hoard it.

And in the case of Canada, the money not hoarded or used to manipulate public opinion, is flowing South.

A rough estimate concludes that there is a "$500-million annual tax transfer from Canada to the U.S. for every point reduction in the Canadian tax rate."

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04:16 PM on 11/11/2011
Oh, there is a trickle down effect. Only it's yellow, and wet.
Donna Meness
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03:55 AM on 11/10/2011
Not surrising that HARPER's GOV'T budget won't be balanced until 2015 , and not terribly surprising that the 'modest' budget was created with fiscal responsibi­lity placed on the backs of those that can least afford it.

After all, in Harper's own words from a speech he made back in 1997, you can see how his mind and his largely 'New Republican­' Tory party works . . . it's a long speech to read, but it's worth it:

http://www­.ctv.ca/CT­VNews/Spec­ialEvent7/­20051213/e­lxn_harper­_speech_te­xt_051214/

Trouble is, the new Tory party is not the party of the old, and the 'less government­' ideal is one that does not benefit Canadians, it benefits corporatio­ns primarily, and protects them the most, with the asssumptio­n that if left alone to grow, they will ultimately police themselves­. If that were true, the recession wouldn't have happened and the bail-outs wouldn't have been necessary in the first place. Harper's policies and his out-right Eastern Canadian disdain and almost racist views are clearly difficult to process as a modern Canadian, but this is what you get when you put a man like him in power. Less government­, the eroding of our public institutio­ns like education and health care, as well as senior care, and placing it more in the hands of the private sector whom he naively thinks will 'trickle down' to the rest of us.
Donna Meness
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03:52 AM on 11/10/2011
In 2007, Harper cut $1.2 Billion in spending for the establishment of quality national childcare. However, he never kept his promise to cut the $1.4 billion in tax breaks he gives to oil companies (the wealthiest corporations in history).

ONE MILLION BUCKS A DAY PEOPLE!!

Despite a record annual budget deficit of $56 billion,.... between 2008 and 2013, these cuts are reducing the cash-strapped federal government's tax take by a cumulative $60 billion.

The federal corporate income tax rate will be reduced from 18 per cent to 16.5 per cent effective Jan, 1. It will then be reduced to 15 per cent in 2012/2013

The corporate tax cut amounts to $1.65 billion next year, and jumps to nearly $4 billion in 2012.

As a result of 10 years of cutting corporate taxes, individuals are carrying 61 per cent of the cost of government programs, while corporations now pay only 15 per cent.
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CanadaStan
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10:10 AM on 11/10/2011
How did he cut childcare?
By not implementing a program the liberals promised but didn't implement in their 13 years of majority govnerment?

Please, you make yourself look like an idiot....
Donna Meness
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06:34 PM on 11/10/2011
$25 a week maximum

The Conservatives plan to give families $25 a week in money intended for child care.

"The proposed allowance would be taxed back from all families except those with one parent at home, so $25 represents a maximum," the group says.

"This cash would not help parents find high quality child care — you can’t buy what doesn’t exist. Even existing child care (only enough for 15% of young children) costs 10 or 20 times the $3 or $4 a day the allowance would provide. While many families do need income support, families with young children very much need and want a range of quality, affordable child care services. An increase in public investment in high quality child care and—at the same time—an increase in the existing National Child Benefit would make much more sense for today’s families."

The association is urging Canadians to reject the Conservative plan.

"Solving Canada’s child care crisis will take a lot more than sound bites, simplistic ideas and discredited theories. Canada needs a plan and a program that recognizes the social and economic benefits that good early learning and child care produces for children, families and all of society. Most successful industrialized nations recognize the benefits of public investment in high quality child care and already have universal programs.

"Canada, its children and their families deserve one too. We won’t get it with the Conservative plan.

NUPGE

http://www.nupge.ca/news_2006/n11ja06b.htm
Donna Meness
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06:35 PM on 11/10/2011
CPJ believes that policies regarding childcare should be created with the intention of broadening choices for parents and providing opportunities for children. In order to assist parents of young families, CPJ believes that a national childcare program should be established in Canada, based on the principles of the best interest of children, affordability, accessibility, not-for-profit, quality, public funding and promotion of child development and learning.

http://www.cpj.ca/en/election-2011-early-childhood-education-and-care
Donna Meness
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03:50 AM on 11/10/2011
Big on punishment, on prevention, not so much. Harper should pay more attention to reducing poverty, hunger, homelessness and the number of disadvantaged people in this country instead of trying to bribe/appeal to the all-too-comfortable he so desperately courts. His recent announcement for the criminalization of elder abuse, while on the surface admiriable, is yet another example of his "closing the barn door after the horse is gone" mentality. More police, prisons and an expanded criminal code do nothing but ease the minds of the smug and the affluent. Canada is fundamentally different than the US yet Harper doesn't seem capable of formulating a vision for this country that would see us any better than our neighbour. His continued arrogance and disrespect for Parliament (and by extension all Canadians) needs to be challenged, not be shrugging shoulders saying "They're all the same, so what's the use?", but by thinking critically about what kind of country we want to be living in a year from now, 5 years from now, 10 years from now. It's too easy, and lazy, to ask "What's in it for me?". Almost everyone complains the rich get richer at their expense. At whose expense do the poor get poorer?
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CanadaStan
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10:11 AM on 11/10/2011
Punishment is prevention, of haven't youheard of deterrents?
Donna Meness
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03:42 AM on 11/10/2011
â–ºHere a little national debt reality check that debunks that Trudeau somehow responsible for all of our national debt problems:
â–º Trudeau 100 Billion when he left office - increase of 90 Billion
â–º Mulroney 475 Billion when he left office - increase of 375 Billion*
â–º Chretien / Martin 500 Billion when they left office - increase of 25 Billion**
â–º Harpus Maximus 570 Billion - increase of 70 Billion so far ..... ***
Donna Meness
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03:42 AM on 11/10/2011
CANADA'S EXTRA-JUDICIAL SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS

The average age of the homeless people living in Canadian shelters is between the ages of thirty-five and fifty-five, and they have been drifting across this country in search of food, shelter and employment for the past twenty to thirty years.

In the 1980's only 5% of this homeless population mentioned above had a criminal record, today over 70% of them now have a criminal record with charges ranging from totalitarian to completely moronic, for example; urinating in a public place could land you a prison term and then a life sentence down at one of the Canadian Homeless Shelters.

According to Pardons Canada four million people can not find suitable employment, ascertain a post-secondary education, or cross the American border due to criminal record checks, thereby leaving them as unproductive citizens in society with a higher aptitude to re-offend.

It would be interesting to know how many of Canada's inmates have resided at a Canadian homeless shelter and were forced into working for Temporary labor Agencies prior to their various convictions .

http://www.canada.com/news/Tories+want+hike+fees+pardons/4211087/story.html
Donna Meness
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03:41 AM on 11/10/2011
A weakened social safety net..

Poverty not only diminishes human dignity, but doing nothing to eliminate it costs Canadians billions of dollars a year!

1) A staggering one in 10 Canadians lives in poverty. That's 3.4 million people!

2) Approximately 800,000 of those living in poverty are children

3) Today in Canada, three million people are struggling to find affordable housing and thousands of Canadians are homeless.

4) Canada's only humane and decent option is to acknowledge that our current system for lifting people out of poverty is broken and must be overhauled.

5) Poverty impedes millions of Canadians from freely and fully participating in our country's productivity and economic aspirations

6) Poverty undermines human dignity and costs us all

7) A recent study, guided by economists and policy experts such as Don Drummond, Judith Maxwell and James Milway, estimates that poverty costs Ontario over $30 billion, and Canada over $75 billion annually.

8) The Canadian Chamber of Commerce says that we need to better utilize the groups (i.e. disabled, aboriginal people, older workers, recent immigrants) that are over represented in poverty to deal with the demographic shift Canada is experiencing.

Our future prosperity depends on it!

REFERENCES:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/Sen/Chamber/403/Debates/023db_2010-04-29-e.htm
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http://monctonhomelessness.org/documents/in%20from%20the%20margins-e.pdf
( lots of references in the footnotes)
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10:12 AM on 11/10/2011
Good grief, one in ten?
Open your eyes, stats like those are so obviously cooked only an idiot would take them at face value.
Donna Meness
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03:40 AM on 11/10/2011
How Canada developed a nest egg or GNP - I''ll give you one hint..

MacDonald + treaty+ 5 million+ Louis Riel + the Indian Act + Reserves+ sub soil natural resource revenue= LRT & monies held in trust by DIAND

Here is some research on Lands/Trust/ Revenue (LRT)

"First Nation bands are asking the federal government to explain what happen to more than $10 billion in trust accounts managed by the federal government on behalf of aboriginal people.

Indian trust accounts are a little known aspect of federal responsibility and the court actions from across the country, turn the tables on the financial accountability issue.

Instead of questioning Aboriginal leadership about federal funding, Ottawa is now being asked to be fiscally responsible and Ottawa's management practices are also being scrutinized

The lawsuits are based on six court actions since 1996 from across the country. One is for First Nations bands and usually involves a band's revenues from land transactions or oil and royalties.
It's a major concern," said Dennis Whitebird, a regional chief with the Assembly of First Nations.

http://chiefs-of-ontario.org/PageContent/Default.aspx?SectionHeadlineID=153

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Office of the Auditor General of Canada

see: Management of Indian Moneys

http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/English/parl_oag_198611_11_e_4202.html

This was the most recent time the Auditor General has held DIAND under the microscope..& it's not pretty...sigh
Donna Meness
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03:39 AM on 11/10/2011
"What we got from the government of Canada was: Get a Job," said a bitter Tony Dolan, who chairs the Council of Canadians with Disabilities, many of whose members can't work.

Worse still, the Senate report concluded that, far from lifting people out of poverty, many of our existing programs are so badly designed that they hold people down.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/402/citi/rep/rep02dec09-e.pdf
Donna Meness
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03:38 AM on 11/10/2011
Ottawa's display of indifference came at a disheartening time for the 3.4 million Canadians living in poverty.

The government delivered its response in October 2010 to the Senate's 2009 report, In From the Margins: A Call to Action on Poverty, Housing and Homelessness.

It rejected every one of the report's 74 recommendations. It ignored the senators' evidence that Ottawa is spending $150 billion a year on social programs that merely perpetuate poverty. It concluded with these all-too-familiar words: "The best long-term strategy to fight poverty is the sustained employment of Canadians."

The glimmer of hope that anti-poverty activists, people with disabilities and overburdened charities had nursed since last December when the Senate's social affairs committee released its comprehensive plan to eradicate poverty, went out.

"The government has turned its back on low-income people in Canada," said Campaign 2000, a national coalition of children's advocates that has been working for 19 years to keep Parliament's resolution to end child poverty by the year 2000 on the national agenda.

"The government seems unwilling to make any commitment to work with the provinces to develop a poverty elimination plan for Canadians," said Citizens for Public Justice, a faith-based network of 1,500 people dedicated to creating a society in which everyone can live in dignity.

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03:09 AM on 11/10/2011
Is it just me, or does Bob Rae seem to be the only person, in the Government, to have any kind of grip on reality?
01:46 PM on 11/10/2011
How old are you? Clearly you did not live through Bob's "shining" moment as premiere and his Ray Days. How he is still an MP is astonishing to me and indicative of our short memories.
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Jason Bullock
02:38 PM on 11/10/2011
I didn't say he was any good. Just that his fantasy world consisted for a few less unicorns and chocolate falls, compared to many of the others pretending they know how to run this country.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
11:09 PM on 11/09/2011
He's so funny. Every time now he makes a positive prediction and Canada still doesn't fail which is obviously the intention. I wonder if they have meetings on this now, how to destroy Canada and why it isn't happening fast enough? Mr. F hasn't ever been right. No newspaper or media outlet will track down his record and look at what a complete and total epic failure this person is. Only he can keep his job being 100% wrong. The perfect Harper minister.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
11:16 PM on 11/09/2011
Everyday this man has had not just a government job, but the job as Finance Minister, is proof that the media has no spine. Starting even before 2006
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Creox
Life is too important to take seriously.
09:46 PM on 11/09/2011
What I do know is that Flaherty has been wrong each year with his fiscal outlooks. I do know that the spending sprees in place or on the books are very similar to the U.S. models with respects to prisons, needless defense spending etc.

I honestly do not understand how Harper can continue with these economic plans when they have obviously failed elsewhere...does he think Canada will miraculously avoid the same pitfalls....??

Unbelievable.
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
01:14 PM on 11/10/2011
He's counting on Canadians to be dumb and lazy. Lazy being the case in the last elections.
I'll let you decide about the dumb.