APEC Summit: Canada On Sidelines As U.S. Presses Ahead With Key Partnership

Apec Partnership

First Posted: 11/12/2011 2:04 pm Updated: 01/12/2012 4:12 am

HONOLULU, Hawaii - It's a trade deal being heralded as a model for the economic future, but Canada won't let go of its economic past to become a member.

Nine Pacific rim nations agreed Saturday to forge ahead with a new trade bloc that will fast-track trade between some of the most lucrative and potentially lucrative economies in the world.

"The (Trans Pacific Partnership) will boost our economies, lowering barriers to trade and investment, increasing exports, and creating more jobs for our people," U.S. President Barack Obama said in announcing the new framework ahead of the start of the formal APEC leader summit in Hawaii on Saturday.

But that won't be the case for Canada.

While Canada would like to be part of the TPP, it doesn't agree with the cost of membership, particularly the suggestion that it needs to signal a willingness to abandon decades-old supply management policies, International Trade Minister Ed Fast said Saturday.

"There has been some resistance and suggestions that we should be pre-negotiating our entry to the Trans Pacific partnership," Fast said.

"We have made it very clear that Canada will not pre-negotiate, we believe all of those issues should be discussed at the negotiating table."

Nor does Canada feel it needs to exchange farmers' interests for the greater economic interest, Fast said.

"We have free trade agreements with 14 countries, in each case we have been able to negotiate agreements that are acceptable and that allow us to continue to support our supply management system," he said.

Supply management policies for Canada's dairy, egg and poultry products have been in place for over 40 years to protect them from foreign competition via quotas and tariff controls.

The system has fallen out of favour internationally as it's believed to keep prices artificially high and restrict innovation.

But the Conservative government has been steadfast in its commitment to the affected farmers, the vast majority of whom live in Ontario and Quebec.

Fast wouldn't say who is resisting having Canada at the TPP talks, but one observer said Canada doesn't need to look very far.

"Washington has no interests in structuring a deal which will see their benefits diluted by Canada being on the same footing as U.S. exporters," said Peter Clark, a former Canadian trade negotiator.

Clark said there are other issues at play.

"The reason that we could not get to the table had much more to do with U.S. demands that we commit to liberalize in a number of other areas, for example delaying the introduction of generic medicine, more intrusive protection of intellectual property rights by Canadian customs officers, foreign investment reviews and foreign ownership of telecoms providers," Clark said.

The end goal of the TPP is to expand it among all the 21 member economies of APEC.

There is little wiggle room when it comes to the terms of membership, said U.S Trade Representative Ron Kirk.

"I want to make it absolutely clear that not only Japan, but any of the other economies, once they decide to engage us, we would expect them to meet the standards to which we all collectively agree," he told reporters.

Japan has signalled an interest in being part of the talks and China hasn't ruled it out either.

Analysts say that in the absence of the TPP Canada needs to beef up bilateral relations in the Asia Pacific.

The government estimated that Canada’s trade with Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation economies grew from $374.6 billion in 1994 to $654.4 billion in 2010.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper held a series of bilateral meetings in advance of the broader APEC summit to continue to push forward with bilateral deals.

"Asia is already an important part of the growth we’ve had in trade and the creation of jobs in recent years and obviously we are looking at ways of increasing that in the future," Harper said at a briefing early Saturday morning.

He sat down with the leaders of Indonesia, Chile and Peru.

Following his meeting with Peru, Harper announced Canada would contribute $4.8 million over four years towards a U.N. conflict prevention program that works in the South American country on issues that arise over natural resources.

Harper also announced an expansion of a science and technology development partnership with China.

His 30 minute meeting with the Chinese President was Harper's most formal bilateral of the day.

"You have repeatedly stated that you attach importance to our relationship and that you hope to forge an even closer relationship with China," Jintao told Harper through a translator.

"I appreciate that position."

Harper is also set to meet one-on-one with Obama on Sunday after the APEC summit wraps.

The two were originally meant to participate in the North American leaders summit with Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Sunday night.

But Calderon pulled out of the meetings after his interior minister was killed Friday in a helicopter crash.

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12:45 AM on 11/14/2011
The caption on the picture is

"They said your thing is this big"
08:53 PM on 11/13/2011
We actually don't need this. We HAVE the resources, unlike most of the nations in the group that are seriously depleted of most things. This is simply another trade group that will take control of our food and other resources OUT of our hands even further than it is now.

The push to have all of our resources traded worldwide, even if we cannot afford them someday, is on. Can't wait for the day that Canadians are starving, and the food we do provide is whisked off to some far flung land.

Then again, the west has done this for years to others, I suppose it's our turn to suffer.
11:39 PM on 11/13/2011
No offense, but if you can't wait to see people starve or your fellow Canadians hurt and suffer, then maybe you should find a country you like better to live in? Also your statement of making others suffer is ridiculous - Canada and Canadian charitable organizations have spent billions of dollars helping others around the world, both from major natural disasters to helping countries that are suffering food shortages. The United States is also the number one source of charitable help around the globe. The west has been super supportive of helping millions and millions of people across the globe both through charities and government support and aid.
11:56 PM on 11/13/2011
Oh boy, you can't read sarcasim can you? ;)

Obviously honey bunny, I wasn't suggesting that at all. I was merely suggesting that with these never ending trade deals (that never seem to deliver) THAT THEY would be the end game for us and cause the suffering.

Middle class slide into oblivion, less purchasing power than people had in the 70's vive la'nother useless trade summit!

Yes, as a Canadian I wish us all to starve? Why would I suggest that? Christ on a cracker!
08:42 PM on 11/13/2011
Ya we heard LOTS of promises about good jobs with NAFTA. And well that didn't turn out so great. AND we have what...the lowest corp taxes in the G20? (I think)...and well...still hiring is abysmal.

So please, stop telling us that when we sell everything out, we're going to have better lives...it simply doesn't happen.
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06:34 PM on 11/13/2011
Old news in this article. Canada has formally requested to join (G&M), good news.
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06:07 PM on 11/13/2011
President Obama, will it be as good a deal as NAFTA?
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03:38 PM on 11/13/2011
I'm no fan of Harper, but I can understand the reasoning behind this. The notion that countries should sell out their own interests for vague promises of 'jobs' (what kind of jobs??) is preposterous, and is the same reasoning used to pass legislation like NAFTA.
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CanadaStan
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02:33 PM on 11/13/2011
No country should let control of it's food supply get into the hands of other countries.
As much as I disagree with subsidies and bailouts and marketing boards, a country's food supply is not the same as other commodities.
02:24 PM on 11/13/2011
Quoting "....but Canada won't let go of its economic past to become a member" we have an in competent trade minister so I expect no less. I guess he doesn't realize that part of the country lies on the pacific ocean ? He is still clinging to the old euro centric thinking and look where they are headed, into the pit.
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03:40 PM on 11/13/2011
What part of wanting to not sell out Canada's food supply and taxpayer has anything to do with 'euro-centric thinking'?
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11:53 AM on 11/13/2011
With peak everything coming into play the trade agreements can be ignored as we move to more localized economies that are human scaled. However it is up to us to make that so, not governments who are agents of greed a la against OWS. So, it's okay to not be a part of TPP. These agreements just shaft people. As liquid fuels used in transportation become more expensive over time, those same economies will not be able to trade so cheaply, thus absolving the point of a trade agreement anyway.

It'll turn out these agreements require cheap and abundant energy to exist. As we fall down the other side of the M. King Hubbert's peak, that slide will also be the slide of international trade. Their costs will become too high and it will finally be economic for local production of goods due to their scarcity.

Note that peak keeps changing and shifting such that the recession slows the tipping point down. Getting out of recession increase production and speeds up our proximity to supply tipping points.

Only more localized economies will not be on the roller coaster and not suffer currency devaluation. Localized economic activity has value. It's up to us to do things meaningful to where we live.
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03:41 PM on 11/13/2011
Exactly. This will enrich multinational corporations at the cost to the Canadian taxpayer. This article is biased punditry, not news.
10:34 AM on 11/13/2011
Can't abandon eastern milk and egg trade policies to USA subsidized industries but Harper can abandon the Wheat Board to Cargill. Harper sells the soul out of the west to American interests; logs and wheat.
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CanadaStan
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03:07 PM on 11/13/2011
Ever heard of canola?
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03:48 PM on 11/13/2011
It's inaccurate to call Cargill an 'American interest'. It is a multi-national corporation, with ties all around the world, including Canada.
09:51 AM on 11/13/2011
What?!! I actually agree with Harper on this? yikes! How's that possible?
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09:47 AM on 11/13/2011
My way or the highway, anyone?

It seems Harper still doesn't understand the subtleties of international trade. Especially when it comes to Asian trade.
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03:49 PM on 11/13/2011
What part of agreeing to all rules beforehand with no negotiation is 'subtle', in your mind?

Or is your anti-Harper ire limiting your ability to grasp this specific issue?
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06:44 PM on 11/13/2011
What part of the non binding arrangement to negotiate a trade treaty, which all those other nations agreed to, do you find unacceptable?

Or are you just so pro Harper that you insist on political advantage before you'll even enter into trade talks that could be economically beneficial to Canada and lessen our dependance on the US?
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09:45 AM on 11/13/2011
But, but, but I thought globalization was the bees knees, the answer to all that ails.
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09:41 AM on 11/13/2011
I also agree with Harper on this. Wait a few years and see if there is chronic food and water shortages around the world. At least Canada will not be at the mercy of global traders. You need to look after your own first not the interests of big businesses.
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09:53 AM on 11/13/2011
Harper did get rid of the wheat board, that alone is going to worsen food shortages here at home
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CanadaStan
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02:30 PM on 11/13/2011
REALLY?
How is it going to do that?
Show your work.
And by worsen, you must mean there already are food shortages here, right?

Do you guys understand that by lying you admit you have no real arguments?
And besides that, it's dishonest...not that that matters to liberals.
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09:38 AM on 11/13/2011
While Canada might be correct in not signing onto this deal, Harper's motives have nothing to do with sovereignty and everything to do with nurturing farmers' votes in Quebec and Ontario. And it could be that the other leaders are relieved. They probably find Harper just a little creepy.