Toronto's Glass Condos Face Short Lifespan, Experts Say

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First Posted: 11/14/11 07:10 AM ET Updated: 11/16/11 08:36 AM ET


Many of the glass condominium towers filling up the Toronto skyline will fail 15 to 25 years after they’re built, perhaps even earlier, and will need retrofits costing millions of dollars, say some industry experts.


Buyers drawn to glass-walled condos because of the price and spectacular views may soon find themselves grappling with major problems including:


Insulation failures.


- Water leaks.


- Skyrocketing energy and maintenance costs.


- Declining resale potential.


Glass condominiums — known in the industry as window walls — have floor-to-ceiling glass, so essentially the window becomes the wall. Window walls generally span from the top of the concrete slab right to the bottom.



One developer calls glass-walled condos “throw-away buildings” because of their short lifespan relative to buildings with walls made of concrete or brick.


“We believe that somewhere between, say, five and 15 [years], many, many of those units will fail,” said David House of Earth Development, which bills itself as a socially responsible property developer. House, who also has experience in the standard development industry, spoke to CBC as part of a special three-part series on the issue that starts Monday at 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. on CBC News Toronto.


No other city in North America is building as many condo towers as Toronto, where they have reshaped the skyline, overshadowed once-prominent buildings such as the Rogers Centre and, in many areas, blocked Lake Ontario from view. About 130 new towers are now under construction.


Not energy-efficient


Glass walls have been popular among developers and consumers alike because they’re cheaper than more traditional materials and make a good first impression. But they aren’t energy-efficient and come with a hidden price that could soar down the road, engineers say.


Floor-to-ceiling glass walls heat up and swell in the summer, freeze and contract in winter, and shift with the wind, engineers say. The insulating argon gas between the panes escapes, the seals are breached and the windows are rendered useless against the city’s weather.


Eventually, the glass walls — the skin of these condo high rises — might have to be replaced entirely, with condo owners picking up their share of the multimillion-dollar costs.


“Now is about when we should start seeing trouble with 1990s buildings, with the glass starting to get fogged up, the rubber gaskets and sealants starting to fail,” said John Straube, a building science engineer at the University of Waterloo.


Condo owners file suit


Complaints and lawsuits have already begun.


Condo owners in a tower off Front Street are suing the developer, Concord, claiming the window-wall system in the nine-year-old building near the Rogers Centre has defects and water is seeping through.


CBC called Concord to discuss the lawsuit, but there has been no response as of Monday.


Toronto is also seeing the high cost of retrofitting a highrise. At First Canadian Place, a retrofit will take three years and $130 million to complete.


Halsall Associates says the cost of re-skinning a residential tower could be $5 million to $10 million.


"But that is the actual removal and replacement only – there is nothing in there related to additional security costs or relocation costs for residents," says structural engineer Sally Thompson.


Straube said many condo owners have no idea about the expenses they’re in for and don’t ask the right questions.


“Do you want a building that is going to appreciate over the long term? Do you want a building that will be comfortable and energy-efficient? If so, you need to ask tougher questions of the marketplace.”


Windows tempt buyers


The glass walls that undermine a condo’s durability and energy efficiency are a key part of the attraction when potential buyers first step into those sunlit spaces overlooking the city.


“To walk in and see trees, and just to see the city — it’s a wonderful thing,” said Kamela Hurlbut during a recent tour of a condo with her husband, Jason.


For first-time buyers like the Hurlbuts, who eventually hope to own a detached house, a condo also seems the only affordable home-ownership option. Their estate agent, Linda Pinizzotto, emphasizes long-term costs as she tries to warn the couple away from glass walls.


“As time goes on, what they have to be concerned about are maintenance fees,” Pinizzotto said. “There’s certainly a lot more care and requirements in the building if they have floor-to-ceiling windows.”


Glass-walled condos meet the requirements of the Toronto building code, although the code does not specify how long a building should last. Energy-efficiency is also a fuzzy area, since condos aren’t rated that way.


"We don’t have energy-efficiency ratings on condominiums and that’s too bad, because we get them on dishwashers, refrigerators, and they only cost a few hundred dollars,” said Ted Kesik, a professor of building science at the John H. Daniels faculty of architecture, landscape and design at the University of Toronto.


Janice Pynn, president of the Canadian Condo Institute, isn’t sure energy efficiency is a big factor for condo buyers initially — even for buyers who care about not wasting energy.


“People talk that they want it, but when it comes down to what it's going to cost them, it doesn't even come into the equation,” says Pynn, whose Simerra Property Management company manages 250 condos across the GTA.


“It really is ‘Can I afford to buy this?’ not 'What am I willing to pay to have a green building, or a building in the long term, that will be far more economical, and cost-saving and for the environment?' They're just not asking those questions.”


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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
10:35 AM on 11/15/2011
Sounds about right. Pay way too much for it and then pay even more to keep it up. Smart.
10:24 AM on 11/15/2011
Many problems are due to the actual building codes. These codes are the bare minimum of what is needed to create a standing building. Unfortunately they do not take into consideration the aspects of moisture and mould or the materials used being great supporters of mould. Two prime candidates of mould growth are OSB or beaver board, also known as mould candy, and fibreglass insulation. Both of these materials absorb moisture like a sponge and support further expanding growth of both moisture and mould . Other products like green board and blue board are fake products. They are moisture rated according to code but they actually soak up moisture and grow mould. These products are rated as building code worthy but actually create huge problems.
I have over 20 years of restoration experience and specialize in homes over 100 years old. I have also worked in brand new condos repairing problems before the owners have even moved in.
I would NEVER buy a new home or a condo.
The homes they build now are disposable mould factories and the condos have moisture problems due to inexperienced engineers, architects, and inspectors. These "professionals " have lots of paper behind them but often little real historical experience. They would do well to go to Europe to see how a 500 year old apartment building was built. The Romans invented concrete and much of what they built is still standing 2000 years later. A real lesson in Building codes.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
07:24 AM on 11/15/2011
Having worked through several construction booms and worked on the product of previous booms, all I can say is, never buy a property that was built during a boom cycle.During tougher economic times its the best tradesmen that keep working. There are so many people out there who have no understanding of basic construction fundamentals.During a boom, they end up being the ones who 'get work' building these properties. I see these glass condo's and I imagine 8'x10' panels of glass flying off during a squall coming off of the lake. Scary.
A lot of those balconies are gonna problematic as well.
Bianca S
You can't go trick-or-treating. Ever. For a week
08:23 PM on 11/15/2011
They already have. I don't know where you live, but here in Toronto, there have already been a few condos whose balconies had glass panels that shattered and plummeted to the ground.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
03:38 PM on 11/16/2011
Wow that is scary. Glass is heavy stuff, Just imagine a sheet weighing 200lbs falling 200Ft.
Yikes.
10:17 PM on 11/14/2011
They call it Toronto the Green. Previous mayor Miller passed all kinds of green requirements including a requirement for Green(vegetation roofs) at great cost. Now we find out that the vast majority of these condo towers are not energy efficient but will also require massive retrofits of glass panels? What gives!!Everyone knows that glass is not a good thermal insulator compared to a standard wall. An insulation value of R3.7 for argon filled e coated glass verses R25 for a standard wall in residential construction-so obviously I thought they were using highly specialized glass with Krypton or other inert gases and twin spacing with a film between the two glass panes-even that doesn't compare to a standard insulated wall. If they are using the first type of glass then these buildings are energy hogs-say it ain't so! I find it incomprehensible with all the eco-hoopla that the City of TO puts out that they could allow this -if they have and above assertions are true then the building,planning, permitting departments must all be either hypocrites,ignorant or both. Would like to hear a response from some of the many engineering/ consulting firms involved on sopme of these projects.
08:52 PM on 11/14/2011
AND WHO ISSUES THE BUILDING PERMIT?
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Brian Gorrell
Is this the 1950's or what?
08:19 PM on 11/14/2011
I like living on the ground.
07:11 PM on 11/14/2011
I wish the media would stop being laz y and get off their, you know what, and investigate the ties between the builders and those who set the building codes and enforce these codes. The quality of these buildings is pathetic and no one in a leadership position in the city or province cares. So something fishy must be up if these so called "buildings" are to building code however, they will have huge problems in just under 10 years??? You kdding me! Investigate that media and do your jobs.
07:06 PM on 11/14/2011
Geez, the heck you say. Put down that Moosehead, Bob, and listen to this one, hoser.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
06:42 PM on 11/14/2011
This is a disaster and none of those buildings should have ever been approved. The skyline is destroyed. Thankfully these towers will be uninhabitable in a few years, maybe they'll tear them down then. Maybe they'll fall down due to neglect. Reap what you sow Boomers.
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Rob Vann
Hope for the best,Plan for the worst,Take what cms
03:55 PM on 11/14/2011
Many of these structures are concrete and have an life of hundreds of years. Don't expect these to be torn down and replaced because materials such as concrete, glass and steel will become so expensive in the future, replacing the building is not an option. Energy efficient exterior cladding will be the only option.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
06:43 PM on 11/14/2011
people will not be able to live in them, they'll be abandoned for habitat that can accommodate
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Rob Vann
Hope for the best,Plan for the worst,Take what cms
07:43 PM on 11/14/2011
In which case we will see the abandonment of many parts of the city. I'm not so sure if that will be the case or even possible. The not too distant future will bring some interesting challenges on top of those we have now. Availability of cheap and abundant energy and raw materials has created essentially disposable housing. That is about to end. We need to build much smaller cities whose structures are very long lived yet have the flexibility to accommodate changing living requirements. Ipad City..with unlimited custom apps..
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Blodo
Time to build a better world
12:12 AM on 11/15/2011
For a dwelling that will really last hundreds of years, we should be building cob houses. A mixture of clay, earth, sand and straw is the most durable material known. There are cob houses still in use in England that were built in the 15th century.

Might be a though sell making condos out of it, though.
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Rob Vann
Hope for the best,Plan for the worst,Take what cms
05:41 PM on 11/15/2011
Many structures that were built a hundred years ago in Canada using wood ,stone and brick are still in great shape and if maintained will last at least another hundred years or more. Unfortunately they tend not to be energy efficient unless they have had extensive upgrading.

Cob houses are pretty cool.. Some years ago I attended a workshop on Ramed Earth construction.. used in CA and BC it's similar to cob construction.
02:50 PM on 11/14/2011
Conned. DOH!
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
02:38 PM on 11/14/2011
I'll say it. These glass monstrosities are hideous. Thanks for ruining the skyline, Yuppies.
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JUSTBAKERS135
06:33 PM on 11/14/2011
Ok, so you don't have a taste for the design. What would you like to see in a 30 storey tower? Unfortunately up is the only way to go - unless you are a fan of urban sprawl.
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cameron d
Good Guys Win
07:21 PM on 11/14/2011
I'm not. I just find the all glass design to be hideous. The entire layout over there is awful. So much concrete. There are no stores, no parks, no entertainment. Just awful buildings. Not to mention how terrible public transportation is down there with no subway, few buses and street cars. The entire area, at this point, is a terrible design.

My friend lives down there, she doesn't plan on staying more than 6 more months. The Grid actually just ran an article about the area saying how high turnover, small condos and lack of amenities in the area will cause this to become a ghetto in 20 years. It's a shame, such potential.
02:36 PM on 11/14/2011
Ghetto apartments all the wayyy!
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alsm9
Bombshell
02:34 PM on 11/14/2011
This year I moved into a brand new condo...which I rent. It hasn't been the best experience and I now would never ever buy a condo. The ac/heating unit is very noisy...it sounds like an idling car in the middle of my living room. Another thing that I didn't notice in in my particular unit, the windows don't open (and it's floor to ceiling windows), just the balconey door which doesn't have a screen. All the fixtures ext. are very cheap and tough to keep clean, especially the taps in the bathroom. The worst is the elevators. They are constantly making noise and often out of service. I haven't had any plumbing issues and I'm hoping it stays that way. Fingers crossed.
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o3mta3o
04:48 PM on 11/14/2011
well i hope that being in a bad condo doesn't sour you to the idea of condos in general. i owned a house that was a borderline money pit but that hasn't squashed the prospect of getting a house in the future again. my condo isn't new. it's about 30 years old. it has concrete walls, large windows that open, a balcony with a 3 panel sliding door that looks like a sun room from inside. My central air unit is inside a small dedicated closet to reduce noise, (i've added egg cartons to the walls and now i can't hear anything). i have reasonable condo fees. my condo board has a large savings account to deal with day to day maintenance as well as a reserve for emergency repairs. the elevators work great and are serviced one day every year to keep they up to speed. what it comes down to is knowing what questions to ask, and not buying into the hype. it's the same as buying a beautiful house only to have to roof leak and collapse within a year.
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alsm9
Bombshell
05:59 PM on 11/14/2011
I have a friend who's condo fees went up 15% because of "mismanagement" of funds by the board. Ya, I don't think I'll be buying a condo any time soon. Houses can have their problems too, but I still think they are a much better investment.
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CommonWealth-SinglePayer
Walk on the Right, VOTE on the LEFT
02:32 PM on 11/14/2011
There goes most of the neighborhood.