F-35: Tories Insist Jets Will Talk To Ground Troops

F35 Canada Jet

First Posted: 11/23/11 05:31 PM ET Updated: 11/24/11 08:33 AM ET

OTTAWA - The Conservative government insists all of its new F-35 jets will arrive with the hardware needed to talk to ground troops and prevent friendly fire, but some will still need upgrades to make it work.

Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino said the stealth jets will be ready to do whatever the government asks, when it asks.

"All of Canada's F-35s will not only be capable of operating overseas the moment we get them, but be able to communicate with aircraft and know where friendly ground units are well in advance of deployment on operations," Fantino said under questioning in the House of Commons.

While the multi-role fighter will have the hardware and be wired to track ground troops, the actual feature that powers the system is not scheduled to be installed until a major upgrade in 2019, according to U.S. military technical journals — something also alluded to in heavily censored Canadian air force documents, obtained under access to information laws.

Asked to reconcile the conflicting information, a spokesman for Fantino said in an email response that the air force would have to load the feature into the first handful of jets.

Chris McCluskey says each aircraft comes equipped with a Blue Force Tracker "capability" when it arrives in Canada, "with the exception of a small number of aircraft in which it is scheduled for installation before deployment on missions."

The technical journals and documents also discuss the expected absence of a transmission system, known as a Link 16.

McCluskey denied the F-35 will be without that capability, which allows pilots to send short text messages and data to ships, older aircraft and ground stations.

While the stealth fighter will have the hardware and antenna for the Link 16, U.S. technical journals say there is a furious debate taking place among air force planners and designers about its limitations and whether it could compromise the radar-evading capability of the F-35 by giving away its position.

They also question whether the system, which is standard on existing warplanes, can handle all of the high-resolution video and data the new jet is capable of pumping out.

"Link 16 can't carry the kind of data the F-35 can gather," said the online publication Live Science, one of several U.S. journals tracking the development of the aircraft.

Engineers equate the situation to difference between using dial-up and broadband Internet and wonder whether a newer transmission system — called a Multifunction Advanced Data-Link — will meet the needs.

The multifunctional system only communicates with other so-called 5th generation — or stealth jets — such as the F-22 Raptor or the B-2 bomber.

Both Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer, and the Pentagon office overseeing the F-35 project didn't respond to requests to comment.

Opposition critics hammered the government over the planned purchase, which could run taxpayers between $16 billion and $30 billion depending upon the estimate.

New Democrat MP Christine Moore accused the government of not knowing what it was doing on the file.

"We have communications and sustainability problems with the F-35," she said during question period and demanded the project be put to open tender.

The auditor general pointed out on Tuesday that the Defence Department is not sure it has set aside enough cash in future budgets to repair and maintain the new equipment being purchased for the military by the Harper government.

Although John Wiersema's report did not single out F-35 sustainment, the Parliamentary Budget Officer did focus some of his criticism last spring on the estimated cost of maintenance, which he accused the Conservatives of low-balling.

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Vapula
Failure is not an option
11:27 PM on 11/26/2011
They are doing what they do so well: lying.
11:19 PM on 11/25/2011
Probably technically correct. Note the careful language they use: they will have the *hardware* needed to communicate. They will probably not have the software needed. Like having a PC, modem and internet connection but no operating system. Good luck finding google!
thephuqqer
not the chicken plucker.
10:09 AM on 11/24/2011
For that price, I'm sure the pilots can be supplied with smart phones.
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
10:43 AM on 11/24/2011
Hopefully, Blackberrys.
07:04 PM on 12/02/2011
Smartphones would definitely kill its stealth capabilities.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TrevorEckhart#p/u
10:04 AM on 11/24/2011
Get ready, teh anti Conservatives will be here soon bashing this plan saying the Super Hornet is the better choice or stupid drones, I only trust the experience of the pilot. If a FAC or Forward air Controller messes up and targets there own position a drone can't think and the guy controlling the drone from Nellis AFB who has never been under fire is more likely to mess something up then a guy who has been under fire
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gwinegarden
She's an Arctic Wolf
10:45 AM on 11/24/2011
Like the US pilot who was told friendlies were in the area and to refrain from firing but still attacked and killed Canadian soldiers. That kind of "a guy who has been under fire"?
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mcpogo
01:19 PM on 11/24/2011
So, idealogy aside, what are you saying? So the guy at Nellis is an idiot (which I doubt) the end result of a plane lacking the necessarty technology to communicate - even IF it has the most EXPERIECED Pilot in the air force is? Simple answer, the plane is blown to ratshit - so we are 1, out a very experienced, expensive pilot 2, a very, very expensive airplane 3, it won't matter because we can't get any F-35s until well after our F-18s are worn out - so we'll be losing our experienced pilots at home first. The Conservative government, our own military brass, the Pentagon office for the F-35 and the manufacturer - ALL of them refuse to release or discuss any of this information. That should light up even a burnt out lightbulb brain...DUH. They are all hiding something about the biggest purchase by a Canadian government in the country's history. Damn right they should be getting criticized!
Realist2011
beware false profits....
10:02 AM on 11/24/2011
Come on you Canadians. Be reasonable. You want an aircraft that actually works from day one? You gotta get with the program. It's called "revenue stream". First, you build an aircraft using as many tax dollars as you can get away with, then you sell it back to the dummies that paid for it to begin with. The only initial requirement is that it must be able to fly at least a little without crashing. Then, you start paying for upgrades, software, capability to talk to "older" airplanes, that kind of stuff. How's the manufacturer supposed to make money if you don't have to continue to pay them for something you should have gotten to begin with. Oh, and please don't try to actually use them in combat. They're "stealthy". That means you can only fly them at night and minimal weather so that their stealthy capabilities aren't completely "blown" by human eyeballs. And please, please buy some of our Osprey "manned target drones" for your troops. We need to keep our defense industry prosperous, even if it is destroying our country's economy.