'Grumpy Old Man' Sets Off House Manners Debate

Joe Oliver

First Posted: 11/24/11 06:53 PM ET Updated: 11/28/11 09:36 AM ET


A war of words over support for TransCanada's Keystone XL project set off an unexpected debate on decorum in the House of Commons Thursday.


Megan Leslie, the NDP's environment critic, was shouted down after starting a question to 70-year-old Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver by referring to cranky elderly citizens.


"If being a grumpy old man makes you an expert in world ...," she said, before getting cut off.


That kind of language may be surprising for people who haven't been watching question period over the past few weeks.


But those who have been paying attention may recall Oliver referring to Leslie and NDP MP Claude Gravelle, the party's natural resources critic, as "clowns" for travelling to Washington, D.C., to talk to lawmakers about their opposition to extending the Keystone XL pipeline.


And there was last week's jab, when Oliver suggested Leslie read Economics for Dummies.


NDP MP Charlie Angus has had almost a different nickname every question period for Treasury Board president Tony Clement over allegations Clement directed $50 million in infrastructure money to his riding before the G8 summit in 2010.


Last week, NDP MP Pat Martin tweeted some choice words for the government, causing a stir with his cussing.


On Thursday, after Leslie's attempted question, House of Commons Speaker Andrew Scheer called for order as MPs jeered across the aisle at each other.


"We're not even through our second week of a five-week stretch," Scheer said. "If we can't get through this week, I hate to think what next week will be like."


"This is the smiling face of cynicism, Mr. Speaker," Leslie said as she finished her question.


Oliver responded in kind.


"It's one thing to go to foreign countries and work against the interests of Canadian workers and those that are unemployed from coast to coast," he said. "It's another to insult senior citizens."


MPs picked up on the theme again following question period, with Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz demanding Leslie apologize to senior citizens.


Interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel said her party is frustrated with the lack of answers from Conservative cabinet ministers in question period, but that it doesn't excuse stooping to their level.


"Once in a while one MP — and I'm not saying I approve this — one MP [gets] upset about the fact that we never get any answers on anything. We are saying that this government doesn't listen," she said. "It is frustration, with rights."


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A war of words over support for TransCanada's Keystone XL project set off an unexpected debate on decorum in the House of Commons Thursday. Megan Leslie, the NDP's environment...
A war of words over support for TransCanada's Keystone XL project set off an unexpected debate on decorum in the House of Commons Thursday. Megan Leslie, the NDP's environment...
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Tony frm Banff
Search for truth,not spin
12:03 PM on 12/12/2011
Typical of the cons, they can only insult, and can not take it! To think we gave them a majority.
02:06 PM on 12/11/2011
Grumpy Old Men? Try pale, male & stale...
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TT Esty1
Where did the 7 Dwarfs work?
08:33 PM on 11/27/2011
Age does not dull minds but rather dull minds age.

Incumbents have a political advantage at the polls and the Harper Conservatives need every advantage that they can get. It is sad to see politicians devolve as they desperately cling to Party loyalty. Oliver stands in line behind Del Mastro and Clements but the line is long and growing. It would be unfair to call them clowns because clowns do entertain.
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Vapula
Failure is not an option
11:20 PM on 11/26/2011
He doesn't deserve an apology he is a grumpy old man ... and a lot worse.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
11:20 AM on 11/26/2011
He *is* a grumpy old man. What's the issue here?
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
09:59 AM on 11/26/2011
Oliver's ineffectiveness will live beyond his grave...
03:54 PM on 11/25/2011
When I was young I was always told to show respect for my elders, guess Meggys folks didnt teach that concept to their daughter.
04:45 PM on 11/25/2011
Sometimes.such respect is totally unwarranted.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
04:57 PM on 11/25/2011
Tr0// alert.
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fromdnorth
OK I checked my micro-bio (didn't know I had one
10:01 AM on 11/26/2011
Stupidity does not reside in youth - It can be changed... On the other hand, stupidity is often imprinted in age...
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TT Esty1
Where did the 7 Dwarfs work?
08:17 PM on 11/27/2011
What we are in age, we began in youth.
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lulex
Made in Canada
02:35 PM on 11/25/2011
To make a fuss over the term Grumpy old man is simply a diversion for the fact they don't want to answer the question.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
01:53 PM on 11/25/2011
Oliver = Harpercrit!
03:56 PM on 11/25/2011
Remember when Layton was talked about civility in the house, guess Leslie and Martin must have ben at Tims having coffee.
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
01:31 PM on 11/25/2011
Well if you went and tried to call every old white man in government a 'grumpy old man', you'd die from exhaustion well before you finished.
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giantsteps
01:25 PM on 11/25/2011
Oliver should be grateful they didn't call him A#$h*le.
01:40 PM on 11/25/2011
Why would they- an A#$h*le. is useful ?
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lulex
Made in Canada
02:37 PM on 11/25/2011
Lol. Thanks for the laugh. :0)
01:24 PM on 11/25/2011
What is a 70 year old person doing serving in the House, much less as an important cabinet minister?? Who votes for an old codger like that?
There should be an age limit for candidates. Who needs someone whose worldview is set in the stone age, even though of course, that comes straight from the Cons playbook.
This is the 21st century, for crying out loud.
01:51 PM on 11/25/2011
The minister isn't rude because of his age. I know lots of "old codgers" whose world views are NOT out of the stone age.
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connie o
An Independent Thinker
02:15 PM on 11/25/2011
The Constitution guards against discrimination for folks over forty and that's why there's no age limit. Strom Thurman was 96 before he retired from Congress.
04:42 PM on 11/25/2011
Unfortunate example - Ol' Strom was a notorious racist who should have been thrown out.
08:18 PM on 11/25/2011
96? why people can,t let the jobs go and let someone else get it that,s isn,t jobs for the young because somepeople like these 96 years old was still working thats ridiculous i call it greedy they can,t let power and control go
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Kris Dubuque
Proudly Progressive
12:58 PM on 11/25/2011
Oliver is lIke most conservatives: they like to dish it out but aren't very good at taking it. And what's the point of Question Period if the government isn't obligated to actually answer questions? Maybe they should just call it Silly Period from now on...
12:51 PM on 11/25/2011
We were certainly thinking something worse than 'cranky old man'. More along the lines of 'you're a FRAUD'.
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greysells2
grey cells matter
12:40 PM on 11/25/2011
Mr. Oliver is a bit thin skinned, ya think? He calls Megan Leslie a "clown" and wants an apology from her for being called a "cranky old man"? Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.