How Would Norway's Mass Killer Fare Under Canadian Law?

First Posted: 11/30/11 06:59 AM ET Updated: 12/01/11 05:27 AM ET

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While Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik has been deemed insane by a panel of psychiatrists, meaning he likely won't face time behind prison bars, the confessed mass killer may have faced a different fate in Canada.


While Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik has been deemed insane by a panel of psychiatrists, meaning he likely won't face time behind prison bars, the confessed mass killer may have faced a different fate in Canada.


"It's entirely possible," Prof. Roy O'Shaughnessy, head of the forensic psychiatry program at the University of British Columbia, told CBC News. "This would have been in a court of law and would have been subjected to an extremely vigorous cross-examination."


A psychiatric evaluation ordered by an Oslo court found that Breivik is not mentally fit to be sentenced to prison because he was "psychotic" during the July 22 attacks that led to the deaths of 77 people and injured 151. The 243-page evaluation still has to be reviewed by a panel from the Norwegian Board of Forensic Medicine.


Canada and Norway have different criteria for finding a person mentally unfit, and who makes that determination also differs between the two countries.


"Each country has different criteria that they impose on how you determine whether a person is criminally responsible for their behaviour. And in Canadian jurisprudence, as well as all Commonwealth countries and the U.S., that decision is only made by the courts, not by psychiatrists," O'Shaughnessy said.


Under Section 16 of Canada's Criminal Code, a person is deemed to be not criminally responsible (the term 'insane' having been scrapped) if the crime was committed while "suffering from a mental disorder that rendered the person incapable of appreciating the nature and quality of the act or omission or of knowing that it was wrong."


O'Shaughnessy said the issue of responsibility is determined by a number of factors.


"Did the person have a severe mental disorder at the time of the offence. They're clearly saying [Breivik] did. But in Canadian jurisprudence, simply having a mental disorder, even severe, doesn't mean you're going to be held not criminally responsible.


"You then have to apply the disorder to the facts of the case and reach the conclusion as to whether the disorder was of such severity that it caused him to be unaware what he was doing was wrong in a moral as well as legal sense."


O'Shaughnessy said an accused person can be delusional and have beliefs that are incorrect but may still be held responsible if that person appreciates what they were doing was wrong.


"You may well believe there are elements of society that are evil or they've harmed you in some way and you want to get revenge on them. You would still be well aware that that behaviour is wrong."


O'Shaughnessy said it's difficult to conclude whether Breivik would be considered not criminally responsible in Canada without knowing details about his mental state.


"Quite literally, the devil is in the details," he said.


Osgoode Hall Law School Prof. Alan Young said the person has to suffer from some kind of cognitive impairment — someone who can't perceive reality or appreciate the nature and quality of their act, has some kind of psychosis or break with reality due to delusions.


According to Norwegian prosecutors, the psychiatric report described Breivik as a man "in his own delusional universe" where all his thoughts and acts are governed by these delusions and that during a long period of time developed the mental disorder of paranoid schizophrenia, which changed him.


"Here's the bottom line for Canadian law. Delusions or no delusions," Young said. "The only relevance of a delusion would be if it affects his capacity to appreciate the nature and quality of the act. Which means, did he understand he was firing a gun which had the potential to kill somebody? And clearly he did.


"Or he could be found insane if his delusions led him to believe that his actions were morally justifiable. That I don't know but I would doubt that because it just seems that he was getting his inspiration from his own ideological thought patterns and not acting on behalf of some greater power.


"So my preliminary assessment on limited facts, would be … [Breivik] would be found sane by Canadian and American standards."


But Young said further information could reveal that Breivik believed his delusional set of beliefs were sanctioned from a higher power, meaning he might be considered not criminally responsible.


Patrice Band, a Toronto criminal defence lawyer, added that some who believe they must declare war on the powers that be because they have a certain ideological persuasion may not be delusional or psychotic.


"It just may be a political mindset. And I'm not sure which it is in the case of Breivik because the stuff you read about his manifesto really sounded like the latter, he really believed he was engaged in social and policy warfare.


"Whether he actually believed as a matter of fact he was acting in self-defence is another story."


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gwinegarden
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07:47 PM on 11/30/2011
He'd get 77 concurrent life sentences, and be eligible for parole in 25 years, unless, of course they deducted "time served"..
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MarsAmbassador
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04:23 PM on 11/30/2011
I don't think it should be a crime to be criminally insane, but if you commit crimes and you're criminally insane and you have not done your part in controllin­g your condition, then you should be held accountabl­e. By forfeiting your right to live free among the rest of us for the rest of your natural life. Throw him in a psych ward and just keep filling out the paperwork required to keep him there for life.

Besides, if you have read ANY of this guy's manifesto, he knew EXACTLY what he was doing. It was calculated, it was reasoned, it was logical and it was detailed beyond belief over a great period of time. This man knew what his actions were, knew the consequences and knew the punishment. He does NOT fit the bill of someone who can claim insanity at a mere moment in time. He methodically planned this for a few years and detailed everything daily/weekly.
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sfurr
11:29 AM on 12/01/2011
Your comment is all over the map, but on one point you realize you are describing exactly what happens in our system. If a person refuses to control their condition -- e.g. because meds have extremely undesirable side effects -- and commits a crime for which they were found not criminally responsible, the authorities take into account that person's failures to control the condition when assessing the risk of releasing the person from treatment.

Now, in the past, it was harder to keep holding a person because the burden was on the treatment authorities to demonstrate he positively would be a danger to the community (i.e. 100% likelihood to re-offend) rather than that he would most likely re-offend. I think it is now a little easier.

I believe that the crown has also tried to lay charges (not sure if successfully so) against offenders for charges such as criminal negligence, child endangerment, etc. for the failure to control their condition, if they were lucid at the time they chose not to do so.
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pleblian
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04:17 PM on 11/30/2011
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In a representa­tive constituti­onal democracy with correctly functionin­g liberal governance model (classical liberal), the only human right we give away to the state is the our right to justice. We do this as a means of keeping social order.

When no justice can suffice, and rehabilita­tion is not an option, surgically precise punishimen­t should be an option.
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Look at the US constitution... It guarantees it's citizens the right not to receive "cruel and unusual punishments", and "beyond a reasonable doubt'... This would be considered the "surgical" social apparatus you speak of.

It all started with good intention, but now the legal system, in the states, is so convoluted that millions of people have been trialed, convicted, in capital cases, and sentence with little more then hearsay... All because they couldn't afford a decent lawyer.

According to most sources, in the states, atleast 20 to 25%, of CC, are now being reexamined due to prosecutorial misconduct motivated by political gain.

Is that what you want for Canada?
05:03 PM on 11/30/2011
No, I do not want the US system that has been hacked into an ugly bureaucratic mess by a legislative system that boggles the mind with its lack of integrity.

However, I still believe in the basic principles of enlightenement government. The death penalty is a tool that I believe that has been removed due only to its rampant misuse. Maybe that problem cannot be fixed. I think that it needs to be reconsidered with a view to why it is misused.
04:08 PM on 11/30/2011
"Or he could be found insane if his delusions led him to believe that his actions were morally justifiable."

So that means Stephen Harper has a fighting chance. :)
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09:34 PM on 11/30/2011
Inappropriate perhaps but definitely worth an LOL
02:22 PM on 11/30/2011
I forgot to add - CSIS is also seriously underrated. I rather imagine he'd have been noticed long ago.
02:20 PM on 11/30/2011
He couldn't be what he is if he was Canadian. He'd have to have another set of views, becuase he'd not be indigineous.

Nor would he be locked out of political debate in Canada, therefore he'd have no basis on which to forment a need to break into the political debate in such a vicious fashion.

However, if he'd still managed to find some other reason to commit such an atrocious crime - he'd be found to be capable of understanding right and wrong and therefore would be put in jail forever as a dangerous offender.
03:09 PM on 11/30/2011
Not that there isn't an outright attack on political debate being waged by the left and center here. I say so as someone in the centre.

Silence by shaming, censorship, and entrenching semi-judical political correctness into bureaucracy and the media is absolutely on the agenda here.

Have no doubt, about it. The upside down population pyramid combined with immigrantion being primarily from one religion over the past decade, with the left wing actively working to kill freedom of speech to control it, is a potential recipe for gigantic problem.
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pleblian
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03:52 PM on 11/30/2011
Well said

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01:28 PM on 11/30/2011
Well first thing after the mass shooting the police would go through his pockets to see ig he had any marijuhana- THEN he'd be in real trouble!
12:33 PM on 11/30/2011
If he would have been Canadian... this would have been a good opportunity to re-open the debate on the death penalty... and the excuses that are admissible in court.

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To say someone cannot be held accountable for the killing of 77 people is pure rubbish.

Of course he was insane!!! Nobody in his right mind goes around killing people just to stir things up... or prove his point.
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pleblian
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01:32 PM on 11/30/2011
"a good opportunit­y to re-open the debate on the death penalty..."

DP cases usually end up becoming political... Politicians use these cases to fill a quota during their campaign cycle, while innocent people get thrown into the mix, just look at the US...

Do you really want to go down that road?
02:40 PM on 11/30/2011
The DP could be re-opened for use in a highly controlled fashion.

One in which it was limited to cases where it would be almost impossible to get wrong.

Such as in a case of serial or mass heinous and/or violent crime.

Individuals whom are dangerous and demoralizeing to the rehabilitation of other prisoners.
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03:11 PM on 11/30/2011
Killing Brevik is not going to bring those 77 people back.