NDP Leadership Race: First All-Candidates Debate Could Shake Things Up

Ndp Leadership Debate

First Posted: 12/03/11 12:05 PM ET Updated: 12/04/11 04:55 PM ET

OTTAWA - New Democrats will get their first chance on Sunday to do some comparison shopping among the nine candidates vying for the federal party's leadership.

With so many contenders, the first of six party-sponsored all-candidates debates is unlikely to produce a clear winner. Each candidate will have fewer than 10 minutes over the course of two hours to make a mark.

But it may shake up some of the early assumptions about who's got the inside track in the seven month race, illuminating which candidates have the political skills, the intellectual depth and the personal charm to fill the big shoes left by the untimely death of Jack Layton in August.

"This is definitely going to be a great opportunity to compare the candidates in a more formal setting," Toronto MP Peggy Nash told The Canadian Press in an email.

"Local meet and greets provide one important insight on how candidates handle themselves one-on-one with and in a crowd but these national debates will highlight if the candidate can also stand their ground against other politicians and be strong enough on the public stage to replace the Conservatives in a few years."

There is no accurate way to gauge support for the candidates among the party's almost 100,000 card-carrying members, each of whom is entitled to vote for the next leader on March 24.

Hence, handicapping in the opening few months of the lengthy campaign has been based primarily on endorsements, geography and media coverage.

On that score, former party president, backroom strategist and Layton confidante Brian Topp has been pegged as the presumptive frontrunner. He's racked up an impressive roster of endorsements from party luminaries, including former leader Ed Broadbent and former Saskatchewan premier Roy Romanow, and appears to have developed a strong organization in British Columbia, the province with the largest NDP membership, among other places.

He's also dominated the war over the airwaves with his steady stream of high-profile endorsements and some specific proposals to make wealthy individuals and corporations pay more income tax — proposals timed to set the agenda for Sunday's debate, which is to focus on the economy.

But Topp has never sought elected office and has yet to prove he's got the retail political skills to connect with voters. Sunday's debate will be his coming out party.

Like any good strategist, Topp is trying to lower his performance bar in hopes of exceeding it.

"As someone with no experience in politics, I'd say expectations about me are very low indeed," Topp said in an email. "I'm looking forward to seeing what these debates are like and, hopefully, I'll be able to make a few points in the course of the discussion."

Montreal MP Thomas Mulcair faces the opposite challenge.

The one-time Quebec cabinet minister has a reputation as a fiery, high-octane political performer and his camp has been touting him as the only contender capable of standing up to Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Well known in Quebec — which accounts for only six per cent of NDP memberships despite delivering more than half the party's seats in last May's election — Sunday is Mulcair's first real chance to strut his stuff for party members in the rest of the country.

Yet, he seems determined to tone down his combative instincts for the debate, perhaps hoping to disprove critics who claim he's not a team player or is unwilling to throw punches that could provide fodder for Tory attack ads in the next election.

"I am looking forward to having a pleasant and constructive exchange," Mulcair said in an email. "I expect we will agree much more than we will differ as the main distinction we will all be trying to convey to the Canadian people is not so much the differences between us as the differences between us and the Tory government."

Meanwhile, Nash, who was the party's finance critic before stepping aside to join the leadership contest, should be in her element with the economy as the first topic for debate.

She released a policy paper Friday, slamming Harper's reliance on unfettered free enterprise and sketched out an alternative plan of job creation and income security measures.

Ottawa MP Paul Dewar has been touting his own job creation recipe, including a permanent national infrastructure program. He unveiled endorsements Friday from economist Mike McCracken and former Manitoba finance minister Eugene Kostyra.

Dewar will be playing to a hometown crowd for the first debate, which could help his performance, although the party plans to instruct the debate audience to hold their applause until the end.

The second hour of the debate, which is to be conducted entirely in French, could however prove to be a trial for him. Dewar's French is laboured while the other leading contenders are effortlessly bilingual.

But at least Dewar will speak French. Nova Scotia MP Robert Chisholm told The Canadian Press last week he intends to rely on simultaneous translation, a serious handicap for someone hoping to lead a party that owes its historic electoral breakthrough last May to Quebec.

Up to this point, Topp, Dewar, Nash and Mulcair have been widely touted as the top tier of the nine candidates.

For the others — Chisholm, B.C. MP Nathan Cullen, Quebec MP Romeo Saganash, Manitoba MP Niki Ashton and Nova Scotia pharmacist Martin Singh — Sunday's debate represents a chance to break out of the also-ran ranks and be taken more seriously.

"I've been to seven provinces so far, put out more policy than any candidate, and the sense on the ground is quite different than in Ottawa," said Cullen.

"So I'm looking forward to us all being on the same stage and looking forward to engaging with the others in both languages."

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So far the front runner, Topp has already received endorsements from former NDP leader Ed Broadbent, former Saskatchewan NDP Premier Roy Romanow and Quebec Liberal turned NDP MP Françoise Boivin.

A bilingual Quebecer, Topp was the first to announce his bid. Despite having no electoral experience, Topp cites his work on in party's back rooms helping coordinate four national election campaigns, his senior advisor role as a deputy chief-of-staff to Romanow and his experience as a leader in the union movement. He stepped down from his role as NDP party president upon officially registering as a candidate.

Topp has begun a cross-Canada trip, speaking out against the Keystone Pipeline, the Conservatives decision to kill the Wheat Board and the need to strengthen public health care and the national public pension plan.
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okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
05:50 PM on 12/04/2011
I just finished watching the debate. I really liked the team and the emphasis on "fairness". They seemed sincere, natural and courteous. I especially like Saganash, Nash, Chisolm and Ashton. They were all inspiring. We Canadians need a leader to inspire rather than depress us. The criminally insane crime bill, the corporate and religious dominance of our government, the chilling admission of torture by CSIS and the "fossil of the year" award from a recent international environmental conference make me cry and haunt my sleep with nightmares. We need a miracle. I believe the only way out of our collective nightmare is for the NDP and the Liberals to come together to represent the 75% of eligible voters who did not vote for the gang currently in power. Come together in a particularly fair Canadian way. Find Consensus! Last campaign, I gave money to both the NDP and the Liberals. In future, I will only donate to the progressive liberal democrats, the party I hope they will form.
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Leader Newworldparty
05:40 PM on 12/04/2011
NDPs are big supporters of Unions.

Unions should be banned because they collude. If not, then the government should legalize collusion for everybody else.

Read:

http://www.newworldparty.org/2008/11/unions.html
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Ted Rosa
12:39 PM on 12/09/2011
Unions are the reason we have a middle-class, or do you not study any history?
I've owned a chain of stores and I kept wages and benefits as high as I could to get the best people, and to keep unions at bay, Without the union movement, minimum wages would have been my guideline, and why not ?
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Leader Newworldparty
01:08 PM on 12/09/2011
You are correct that unions, indeed, elevate wages.

If you study history, you will see that unions increase wages, but over the long run, those industries fail. Unions are a good leading indicator on whether an industry will fail in the future. They did a great job of predicting GM's and Chrysler's bankruptcies.

They have predicting that governments will fail, as governments are now the most pervasive with unions. Unions have added significant costs and debt to running a government. The reason that unions have survived this long in governments is because governments don't have to declare bankruptcy. They can continue stealing money from children (via intergenerational transfer of debt) for a long time. Eventually, the governments will have a debt crisis.

Did you read the article at the link I posted?

Unions collude to form virtual monopolies in order to get higher prices. Why is it illegal for you, me and the majority of the population to collude? If you believe in unions, then you should lobby the politicians to legalize collusion for everybody else. Let me know when you have.
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Leader Newworldparty
04:05 PM on 12/04/2011
NDPs are socialists and socialism is a cause of the European and American debt crises.

Read:

Socialism vs Capitalism

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/08/socialism-versus-capitalism.html

Housing, the most manipulated market in the world

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/04/housing-most-manipulated-market-in.html
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valar84
05:14 PM on 12/04/2011
I'm sorry, but when you want to establish your credibility, starting by saying that "up is down" and "the sky is yellow with purple polka dots" is a very bad idea. Meaning that blaming the present crash on "socialism" is completely and utterly absurd.

We are on the tail end of a period of 20-30 years where the political and economic elite have pushed for liberalization and deregulation of the economy. Nowhere has that been more true than in the financial sector. At no time since the 1920s has the financial sector been less regulated (more capitalistic) than it is now. That is a fact, a fact that the right-wingers would have loudly accepted and supported in 2005... but that they refuse to acknowledge now that their system has failed.

If "socialism" and regulations were the cause, you will have to explain why there was no such crash in the 50s, 60s or 70s.

The real culprit behind the vulnerability of the economy was the rise in the derivative market, caused by deregulation. It has allowed for financial "experts" to make it seem like risk was disappearing, though it was just given to other people and people, lulled by this false sense of security, increased risk to monstrous proportions.
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Leader Newworldparty
05:35 PM on 12/04/2011
Those articles didn't say that regulations was the cause. Did you read the articles?

Which crash are you referring to? I was referring to the debts.

Deregulation and derivatives market might have exacerbated the housing bubble, but who created it? Did you read?:

Housing, the most manipulate­d market in the world

http://www­.newworldp­arty.org/2­011/04/hou­sing-most-­manipulate­d-market-i­n.html

Did deregulation and derivatives cause the debt problems in Canada, Spain, Ireland and other European countries?

The debt problem wasn't created in the past 3 years. North America and Europe have been running deficits and building up their debts for 45 years. We are now hitting a crisis because the debts are so high.

Have you looked at the federal budget to see where most of the money goes to? The far majority of the budget goes to socialist programs:

Social Security (Social Services in Canada)
Education
Medicare and Medicaid (Healthcare in Canada)

Take a look at:

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/govt01b-eng.htm

The far majority of the budget is for socialist programs, hence the major cause of debt.
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Leader Newworldparty
05:37 PM on 12/04/2011
Read:

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/08/democracy-cause-of-debt-problems.html

The US has debt and future obligations totalling $47 trillion, or $395,000 per household. Most of that is because of the socialist programs, not bailouts to banks.

Do you know how much the U.S. government spent on bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac versus Citi and BofA? The bailout of the banks are chump change compared to bailout of the Government Sponsored Enterprises. Fanne and Freddie owns half of all of the mortgages in the country. Is that socialism or capitalism?

Besides, bailing out anything is a socialist concept. True capitalism believes that incompetent businesses should die and go away. Hence, Wall Street has become less capitalistic.

The "real culprit" behind the vulnerability of the economy was that it was fake for 45 years. It was fuelled by debt. When the fuel (debt) runs out, the economy stops growing.

Read:

Fake Economy

http://www.newworldparty.org/2009/01/fake-economy.html
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okgranny
Egalitarian by birth
05:51 PM on 12/04/2011
Baloney!
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Leader Newworldparty
09:46 PM on 12/04/2011
That's meaningful input with lots of backup data.
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03:24 PM on 12/04/2011
Who gets to be the Capt of the Titanic? The NDP is already morphing into a Quebec centric New BLOCacrat party. Without a leader connected to the rest of Canada the traditional NDP is finished. Look for a surge in the Liberal numbers as those "traditional" NDP voters begin to feel disenfranchised with this new Quebec focused political party and look for a new home better connected to their values and concerns. The twists and turns of politics is what makes it such a fascinating pastime to observe.
03:19 PM on 12/04/2011
Being a political junkie, I watched the first half hour of the NDP debate.
This is clearly bnetween Munclair and Topp. The rest can go home.
Also, no need for 6 debates.
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Ted Rosa
12:59 PM on 12/09/2011
I say, I watched the entire debate, both French and English.Here's how I saw it:
Saganash : Awesome in French, (good for Que.) But tooo nervous in English (not electable)
Topp: Bad body language, didn't jive with message.. Too Nervous and seemed uninspired (not electable)
Singh: Shave and a haircut.( I see him and think: Air-India crash... I sincerely apologize for my
bigotry, but I'm sure I'm not alone... otherwise ...comfortable in both languages (electable with a shave & haircut) )
Chisholm: No French ( not electable)
Cullen: Great performance.. French needs work.. But Que'kers appreciate the try (electable)
Nash: Too shrill... UAW.. combative..Harper would have a fieldday (not electable)
Dewar: Too stiff.. Too professional politician... too Ottawa (not electable vs. Harper)
Mulcair : Very statesman in both languages ( electable)
Ashton: Impressive in both languages, Smart, Quick, Informed. (electable), Young.... Might be the ONE.
My HUMBLE opinion !!! (Yes, I took notes and live in Que.)
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02:31 PM on 12/04/2011
The NDP needs Quebec. If they truly believe in national unity, they will select Thomas Mulclair. Canada needs a strong progressive party. The NDP needs to win progressive Quebecers away from the sovereigntists and the liberals.
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valar84
03:19 PM on 12/04/2011
The NDP has already won them with Jack Layton, who was an Ontarian. Thomas Mulcair is better known in Québec, but I don't think that the other leaders would necessarily lead to the NDP losing Québec.

I'm listening to the debate, and I'm not liking the format. First, there are too many candidates. I think some should consider bowing out, I'm thinking particularly about Saganash and Niki Ashton, who I don't think have the experience needed and aren't ready. Paul Gewar also seems a bit nervous and not necessarily ready. Chisholm and Singh respectively can't speak French and speak it very badly, considering the support in Québec, without saying anything about their personal qualities, their success would be disastrous for the NDP.

So that leaves Mulcair, Topp, Nash and Cullen.

Also, the debate is too superficial. Candidates have no time to establish their differences, they barely have the time to mention how they support the NDP's basic values.
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04:13 PM on 12/04/2011
Jack was born and raised in Quebec. He was a perfect bridge between progressive anglophones and francophones. In a close contest of equal competency, an extra effort must be made to welcome Quebec. A divided opposition is a gift to the conservatives. We must establish a competitive progressive alternative in 2015.
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John Devlin
12:55 PM on 12/04/2011
I can't help but wonder whether they're fighting over anything of value.

...Which is just an indirect way of musing out loud over what'll happen with the Liberals and the Bloc. I'm aware that this is not an original sentiment. But it's true! I AM wondering!
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EQ8Rhomes
05:01 PM on 12/04/2011
The Bloc is morphing to regain its stink. The corruption scandals in Que are probably going to help set things rolling for better gov. The Ad Scam was just the tip of the ice....
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
08:56 PM on 12/03/2011
The idea of getting endorsements is ridiculous. First of all, endorsements mislead the public, and can lull them into complacency. Second, endorsements usually come from political dinosaurs, that can keep an air of staleness, and prevent a party from pivoting on issues that no longer serve. I think it is called cronyism.

Canada has some very serious issues, and the sooner we deal with them the better. Cronyism is never a guarantee for progressiveness.