Attawapiskat: Jacques Marion, Government-Appointed Consultant, Kicked Off Reserve

Attawapiskat

First Posted: 12/05/11 08:41 PM ET Updated: 12/06/11 09:34 AM ET

OTTAWA - The housing crisis in Attawapiskat has now turned into a full-blown political crisis.

Attawapiskat band councillors kicked out a federal appointee in charge of overseeing the troubled band's finances on Monday when he showed up in the remote Northern Ontario reserve.

But federal officials say the appointee is still in charge of the money, and will continue to control the band's financing even if he is not allowed into the community.

"The third-party manager, Jacques Marion, wished to respect the volatile situation and is currently not in the community," said Michelle Yao, a spokeswoman for Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan.

"He remains in full control of funding from Aboriginal Affairs to the community and is hoping to work with the community to address urgent needs," Yao said in an email.

Grand Chief Stan Louttit confirmed the move, saying Chief Theresa Spence and her council have made their stance clear: they see Ottawa's decision to appoint a third-party manager as a political move meant to silence their cry for help.

"It is incredible that the Harper government's decision is that, instead of offering aid and assistance to Canada's first peoples, their solution is to blame the victim and that the community is guilty and deserving of their fate," Spence and her band council said in a statement last week.

That sentiment was echoed by many a chief in Ottawa on Monday in preparation for a few days of annual meetings with the Assembly of First Nations.

The community of 2,000 declared a state of emergency at the end of October after a severe housing shortage forced at least two dozen families to live in temporary shelters, some without insulation or plumbing.

The federal response has been two-fold. It advanced half a million dollars to speed up renovations on housing to prepare better shelter in time for the onset of winter; and last week it told the band that it was putting its finances under the control of a third party, as well as undertaking another audit of the band's spending.

"It is extremely worrying that the chief and council are not open to outside assistance," Duncan's spokeswoman said. "Our government's priority is to ensure that residents of Attawapiskat have access to safe, warm and dry shelter."

Duncan met with both Spence and Louttit in Ottawa late Monday afternoon. The native leaders are in town this week for meetings with the Assembly of First Nations.

He urged them, publicly and privately, to co-operate with Ottawa's "plan of action" and with the third-party manager, for the sake of the people of Attawapiskat.

But the appointment of a third-party manager has been widely denounced by First Nations groups as well as the Official Opposition.

A third-party manager is usually named to reserves where there are irregularities in the handling of government funds. Even before that move, Attawapiskat had to produce regular, thorough and public audits to meet Ottawa's demands on accountability.

But First Nations leaders say the housing crisis and widespread poverty and lack of good health on the Attawapiskat reserve are commonplace on remote reserves and have little to do with mis-spending. Rather, they say those problems are a sign that Ottawa's top-down approach to managing and funding reserves is antiquated and dysfunctional.

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11:13 AM on 12/07/2011
Self induced misery if you ask me. Millions of dollars dolled out to people who are isolated and have nothing to do. No reason to get up in the mornming and earn a living. That kind of situation just creates a sense of enititlement and waste.

More money is just more wasted money. When are people in these communities going to take responsibility for their own actions? And stop blaming the hand that feeds them. And generously i might add.

Don't want our management skills but won't turn down our money. If you want to be truly independent and run your own show, stop taking the handouts and make it like the bulk of us in this country, on our own.

Billions of dollars in handouts to first Nations and the government is still the bad guy. Grow up, step into the 21st century and make a living like the rest of us. Not this phoney "traditional lifestyle" that some First Nations comminities claim to be living. But really means, doing nothing while waiting for the next cheque.
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01:45 AM on 12/07/2011
turns out that federal govt's "co-manager" is the Chiefs "life partner". How is that allowed or ignored? You couldn't have a bigger conflict of interest.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/12/06/john-ivison-with-millions-pouring-into-attawapiskat-colonial-blame-only-go-so-far/
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All Seeing Guy
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08:56 PM on 12/06/2011
I see the self induced frenzy of fury that started with this booting has now descended into threats against Canada

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/12/06/attawapiskat-martin-afn.html
04:09 AM on 12/07/2011
Wow. Your link points out one way that Harper IS personally responsible for this which is new to me. Thanks.

Don't take his word for it read the article. The only "threat" to Canada in that article anyway relies on you thinking that protesters should be evicted with tanks.

Too bad the CIA relies on volume rather than quality of service in these ops ;)
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All Seeing Guy
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04:23 AM on 12/07/2011
Evicted with tanks? I wonder if the strawman is a tanker? Oh well, as for the threats, past history says we shouldn't be suprised to see violence and intimidation - http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/ontario/article/727420
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TwoZeroOZ
08:27 PM on 12/06/2011
Read before posting...

"As band member from Attawapisk­­­­at, i could not access the audit on line anymore. Chief Spence blocked them out. Talk about transparen­­­­cy. our membership are upset that half million went to councillor­­­­s honorarium­­­­s! They are also employed under chief and council structure; they are their own bosses. In addition, they sit in varous boards and get funds from there too. Executive'­­­­s travel was over 50,000!! When you are critical, Spence can silence you too! I have my Phd and so does my husband, we were both fired!"

"I am Attawapisk­­­­at Band Member and today i found out Trust fund account only has 8 Million Dollars..f­­­­rom the IBA...Wher­­­­e is the 5.5 Million? Also the leaders has a way to use the Money before it goes to the Trust fund,we the Grass Roots people want to fine out where the money went? I feel if assessment is going to be done in Attawapisk­­­­at,why not do an assessment on the Band Office account also and see if the money has been misuse..
There is more than Housing crisis happening.­.we need answers from our local Leadership­­­­, i wish the grass Roots people were ask question by the reporters,­­­­but sad to say only the members who are well like are ask to speak to the reporters"
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SiameseTrainer
...we are Sia..mese if you don't please..
12:40 AM on 12/07/2011
You wouldn't happen to have any links to provide with this information? Not that I do not trust your source, whatever it might be, but it is customary when providing segments of text within quotation marks to provide the reader with the source document so he/she might check for context, and reliability. I am sure it will not be a problem for you to provide such.
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TwoZeroOZ
11:19 AM on 12/07/2011
I don't think its possible to link to a comment, but if you know of a way please do tell

The 2nd comment was in http://www­.huffingto­npost.ca/2­011/11/28/­attawapisk­at-reserve­-housing-f­irst-natio­ns_n_11158­42.html#s4­87209
Posted by Greg J Shisheesh.

I can't find the first one but I think It was posted in the same article
03:27 AM on 12/07/2011
Tell these people to find a computer that isn't communal band property and try again. I slogged through the details last night. If it still doesn't work tell them to go through TOR to hide their ip and see if that get's them access. I'm kind of new to it by it looks to me like multiple new TOR relays have opened up there in the last week. Incidentally research on the content you provided turned up nothing, which is pretty odd with a quote.
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TwoZeroOZ
11:18 AM on 12/07/2011
Darkripple, didn't I already respond to your request for sources?

Maybe your brain tuned it out, so we'll try again:

The 2nd comment was in http://www­.huffingto­npost.ca/2­011/11/28/­attawapisk­at-reserve­-housing-f­irst-natio­ns_n_11158­42.html#s4­87209
Posted by Greg J Shisheesh.

I can't find the first one but I think It was posted in the same article
05:39 PM on 12/06/2011
Are we surprised yet? It's as if the boy who cried wolf was the one who let the wolf loose...
05:01 PM on 12/06/2011
"It is extremely worrying that the chief and council are not open to outside assistance," Duncan's spokeswoman said. "Our government's priority is to ensure that residents of Attawapiskat have access to safe, warm and dry shelter."

What a laugh. These people have been crying for help for years as have others outside the native community on their behalf. The government wouldn't care at all if not for the public condemnation and bad worldwide press. The governments first priority was deception and finger pointing teamed with denial that help is deserved. Let them eat cake. Other people were already on the ground helping and the government wants to step in by installing a nanny? That's not help it's punishment and control. The ministers statement is a baldface lie designed to put a friendly spin on a bad situation for them. I'm insulted by the insinuation that the populace is incapable of remembering the facts as they have seen them. We are not parts of a program that can only remember the last soundbite command. Just more evidence that the current majority government really only cares about money, retaining power, and imposing a small groups selfish ideology on the rest of our lives.
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tooldude
05:34 PM on 12/06/2011
And why did their own MP (NDP) also take this long to bring the matter to light?
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05:48 PM on 12/06/2011
Because they only declared a state of emergency a few weeks back. What, some of you folks thought Charlie had actually been there at some prior point in the last 7 years?
09:19 PM on 12/06/2011
The legwork has been done elsewhere that showed he's documented as trying for years.
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TwoZeroOZ
07:59 PM on 12/06/2011
All opinion, no facts. Doesn't really contribute anything to the discussion now does it?
09:22 PM on 12/06/2011
All opinion no facts? Dude you gotta stop smokin that stuff, your memory holds less than two weeks worth of news. Pretty tough to miss a flip flop like this in plain sight..
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CHMB
What's long and brown and sticky? A Stick.
05:00 PM on 12/06/2011
Because a white man governing a Native Population has worked so well in the past...
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All Seeing Guy
Center of the storm
05:48 PM on 12/06/2011
1 Chief and 19 councillors doesn't seem to be working out so well.
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CHMB
What's long and brown and sticky? A Stick.
09:57 AM on 12/08/2011
Touché.
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04:33 PM on 12/06/2011
smells like panic to me. Why not let the third party in and dump the whole thing in their lap? If nothing improves they can lay the blame at Steve's feet. Unless of course they have things to hide which is the appearance to great many taxpayers that are footing that bill.
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TwoZeroOZ
08:00 PM on 12/06/2011
Of course Spence has something to hide. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that she's been stealing from her own people (Even after ignoring the two Attawapiskat members who posted comments on here saying as much)
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SiameseTrainer
...we are Sia..mese if you don't please..
12:57 AM on 12/07/2011
You wouldn't care to drop your anonymous status so that you can make those charges in an open courtroom under oath in a slander suit would you?
04:28 PM on 12/06/2011
One more thing I've noticed - they ripped Canadian flag (but they still want Canadian money)! Just look at the picture! I think it is criminal offence to distroy Canadian flag...
I would strongly suggest to send federal appointee and police task force back to this band to find out who stole money, big money, very big money!
Enough is enough! Get the job and stop fooling around with your native rights!
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teeleecee
I'm not who I think you think I am.
04:18 PM on 12/06/2011
You want self government, you got it. Stop taking government money and fix your own damned problems.
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TwoZeroOZ
08:31 PM on 12/06/2011
I would like someone explain to me how much self governance the aboriginal population wants, and in what aspects...

I keep hearing arguments saying that its the governments fault for not having enough oversight on their money already.
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teeleecee
I'm not who I think you think I am.
10:04 PM on 12/06/2011
Well, I don't think anyone knows the answer to that. My understanding is they want their cake (not paying taxes) and eat it too (not paying taxes and getting government assistance, while still calling for autonomy). So, the thinking is, it goes back to when "the white man" came along and stole Native land by any means necessary...fast forward a few hundred years, and reparations must be made--rightly so in many cases (residential schools) over and over and over ad nauseum. They want the land back AND they want the federal government to pay for past wrongs, present wrongs and future wrongs because nothing is the responsibility of Natives. Nothing. Because they were wronged, they can never be wrong. It is a disaster, the reserve system, so they should be self-governed because they'll do a much better job than the Indian Act, which says natives must live as children, the responsibility of Cangov. Get rid of the act, let them govern themselves, and let's see if they do half as well as the current chiefs who are robbing blind their own people as well as the rest of us who pay for their every move. Should be a hoot.
03:35 PM on 12/06/2011
Why are you hiding guys
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dread
02:49 PM on 12/06/2011
There are problems on both sides and an independent party ( ie a retired judge ) has to be brought in to audit the entire situation. After the immediate needs of the people are taken care of no more money should go into this black hole until the issues are resolved. I am not putting the blame on the Natives, it is common knowledge that most all Government agencies are bloated and incompetent. I am sure that there is waste and maybe corruption on both sides but it is time to quit throwing our tax $ down the drain and get this issue sorted out.
01:36 PM on 12/06/2011
This reminds me of that scene from Black Robe when they put the French jesuit priest in the canoe and sent him packing.
01:30 PM on 12/06/2011
Send more money, we wont tell you what we do with it, but its OK if we waste it because there are cases where the Govt wasted it!

I think that is the situation
01:37 PM on 12/06/2011
Have you actually read Attawapiskat's financial statements yet?
02:13 PM on 12/06/2011
No, I saw them discussed on TV, Like I said "Garbage in Garbage out"

Is there any reason I would suspect they are not garbage?

If there was any truth to them they would welcome the assistance considering the situation they are in.
Like I said, "just send money" sums it up

I have worked with large budgets, my wife is an accountant, I have worked in native communities. It is no different than any other small community that cant handle their finances, they just have the advantage of relying on other taxpayers instead of the people living there. It is very easy to spend money.
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TwoZeroOZ
08:01 PM on 12/06/2011
Have you?

Explain 14 million spent on Administration costs.

Exactly, the financial statements explain very little, and what they do show is of concern.

Your entire position on this debate seems to rest solely on their financial statements...
01:28 PM on 12/06/2011
This has been a fascinating discussion, I must say.

We have a series of garden variety statements that simply assume that native bands are, ipso facto, corrupt. Nothing more need be said about those folks.

We have a claim from a fellow whose wife is an accountant, who "saw on TV" that someone somewhere is paying $200,000 for part time clerical support - not sure who or where - and hasn't actually read Attawapiskat's financials but dismisses them as "garbage in/garbage out".

We have a self-appointed expert on Aboriginal band financing who doesn't know the difference between an audit and a review engagement, mistakes consolidated for unconsolidated financial statements, and claims to have read the excellent analysis of by âpihtawikosisân while somehow mistaking her for a troll (which is nonsense, as any of her readers will attest).

Not impressed by Mr. Harpers fans and bullyboys, I'm afraid.
02:53 PM on 12/06/2011
And we have someone talking down to others with an opinion. We are all entitled to one. Words, definitions and terms people are using are distracting from the real issues. The band leaders are not looking after their own people. The chief driving an Escalade - do you need to hear more than that to be outraged. There is corruption - that is what money does to people. I am not not even close to being a fan of Mr. Harper but that does not mean I have to support the outrageous neglect the chief and band council have inflicted on their own people. Compassion and care for the helpless is absolutely critical - treating the chief and band council as victims in all this is ridiculous - they are the problem in most all reserves in trouble and showing no progress for since - forever. I bet the mother's living without heat with their babies, did not vote on the new arena and zamboni, or on the decision to leave the school unfinished after it was built on diesel waste. 80% of their funding for education and with no school - is this correct? Must have some change left over. This is complicated with bottomless frustration and sadness. There is a need to see what is happening for real and to stop making excuses for aboriginal leadership's lack of responsibility and fairness having 100% dedication to "leading and managing" their community to success and PRIDE.
03:35 PM on 12/06/2011
Everyone is, indeed, entitled to an opinion.

In expressing an opinion about the quality of financial management and accountability of an organization, the opinion of a person who has not, in fact, read the financial statements has no value whatsoever. He is, however, entitled to hold it.
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novabird
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03:35 PM on 12/06/2011
What I am having a really hard time with is how the band leaders could be aware of the horrible conditions that some band members were living in - and do nothing. The band leaders were the ones in the middle of it - if anyone should have known what was going on in Attawapiskat - it was the band leaders, and yet they spend millions on ...what??

And those of us who call for transparency and accountability from the people in charge in the community are called rac -cists. There is something really wrong with this situation.