Jim Flaherty: No Eurozone Bailout From G20

Jim Flaherty Eurozone Bailout

First Posted: 12/07/11 06:04 PM ET Updated: 12/08/11 06:22 AM ET

OTTAWA - Finance Minister Jim Flaherty is pouring cold water over a report that the group of countries known as the G20 is attempting to drum up US$600 billion in financial support to help out the heavily indebted eurozone.

Canada opposes the idea of a co-ordinated G20 action, Flaherty said, because many members of the group are actually poorer than the European countries they would be asked to bail out.

"These are relatively rich countries in the world," he said of Europe, "And many of the countries in the G20 have high levels of poverty."

While the Group of 20 includes the world's biggest economies, it also represents emerging nations such as Mexico, Argentina, India and South Africa.

Flaherty said Wednesday he believes Europe is rich enough to address the sovereign debt issues facing the 17-country group that uses the euro currency.

Among the eurozone countries is Germany, which has the region's largest economy, and historically has taken a leading role in the eurozone along with France.

German and French officials lowered expectations Wednesday for a deal to save the euro at a summit of European leaders on Thursday and Friday.

A Japanese newspaper reported Wednesday that said key members of the G20 such as the United States, China and Japan would contribute to a fund for Europe that would be administered through the International Monetary Fund.

An IMF spokesman reacted quickly, saying no discussions had been held with the Washington-based organization, which was set up by member countries to safeguard the world's financial system. One of its roles is lender of last resort.

Canada is a long-standing member of the IMF and a co-creator of the G20 but with less clout than the U.S., China or Japan -- which have the world's three largest economies.

Flaherty told reporters there had been discussions ongoing for weeks with the G20, however, saying there were "some nuances to the positions of some countries."

"But I can assure there has been no commitment by the G20 to any specific resource and plan."

He added that individual countries can go ahead on their own if they choose.

Canada favours increasing the resources in the IMF, but so those funds can be used to help poor countries impacted by the European crisis, the minister said.

Flaherty cautioned that the problems of Europe are a serious risk for the world, including Canada, and need to be addressed.

He said a new crisis could impact even Canada's financial system.

"If we have a serious crisis in Europe and the European banking system, that will effect the American banking system which in turn will affect our banking system," he said.

But Flaherty cautioned the impact on Canada needs to be put in context. "The exposure of the Canadian banks, which we've looked at very closely, is controllable and limited," he said.

FOLLOW HUFFPOST CANADA BUSINESS

OTTAWA - Finance Minister Jim Flaherty is pouring cold water over a report that the group of countries known as the G20 is attempting to drum up US$600 billion in financial support to help out the hea...
OTTAWA - Finance Minister Jim Flaherty is pouring cold water over a report that the group of countries known as the G20 is attempting to drum up US$600 billion in financial support to help out the hea...
Filed by Ron Nurwisah  | 
 
 
  • Comments
  • 22
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Recency  | 
Popularity
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
09:42 PM on 01/19/2012
The G20's final communique instructs governments to slash their deficits in half by 2013. Critics say this burden will fall disproportionately on those who can least afford it, including students, people living in poverty and pensioners.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/opinion/sticking-the-public-with-the-bill-for-the-bankers-crisis/article1620729/
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
09:00 PM on 12/08/2011
A new crisis could impact Canada's finacial system. What a joke. To safeguard the world's financial system from going broke. To many rich and way more poorer. Archemides words "no one citizen shall be more than five times richer than another".
04:39 PM on 12/08/2011
Makes sense for the G20 not to bail out the Eurozone when the IMF is set up to do this, but if Flaherty's logic is based on the observation that a number of G20 members are poorer than the members of the Eurozone, what would he say to to the G8 bailing them out?
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
03:48 PM on 12/08/2011
Why bail-out something that has failed? Just throwing good money after bad.
01:55 PM on 12/08/2011
For those who believe the BS about Canadian banks being better regulates we have the following from the Thompson Reuters article linked to by skbull44.

"With weak collateral rules and a level of leverage that would make Archimedes tremble, firms have been piling into re-hypothecation activity with startling abandon. A review of filings reveals a staggering level of activity in what may be the world’s largest ever credit bubble.

Engaging in hyper-hypothecation have been Goldman Sachs ($28.17 billion re-hypothecated in 2011), Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (re-pledged $72 billion in client assets), Royal Bank of Canada (re-pledged $53.8 billion of $126.7 billion available for re-pledging), Oppenheimer Holdings ($15.3 million), Credit Suisse (CHF 332 billion), Knight Capital Group ($1.17 billion),Interactive Brokers ($14.5 billion), Wells Fargo ($19.6 billion), JP Morgan($546.2 billion) and Morgan Stanley ($410 billion)"
01:27 PM on 12/08/2011
No, the G20 shouldn't participate in any bailout of the EU. Bailouts only put off the inevitable and allow the banksters to run their con for a while longer. In the name of bailouts, we have seen the elected leaders of Greece and Italy replaced with unelected EU bankster bureaucrats. How wrong is that?!

Debt that can't be paid won't be paid.

Governments can't, on a long term basis, spend more than they collect in taxes. The result of ignoring this simple truth by almost every country, including the US, is a level of debt simply that can't be paid. The only way forward is to admit the truth, admit that most (if not all) of the major banks are insolvent and bankrupt them, write off the bad debt, and restart the banks with a clean balance sheet. The longer the inevitable is put off the worse the consequences will be.

Rather than yammering about bailouts, Flaherty should be working on legislation to allow any Canadian bank that fails to be taken over and continue essential operations in an orderly fashion and with as little disruption to depositors as possible and later restart them under new owners and much tighter regulations, and with the old management in jail for a very long time.
12:18 PM on 12/08/2011
What the EU is, is not okay. They are social and cultural bullies with a big stick.
11:53 AM on 12/08/2011
This whole idea of bailouts for debtor countries is flawed. If you owe money on six credit cards and you get one of those consolidation loans from a different lender to pay them off, you are no less in debt

The only answer for Europe is for the debtor nations to abandon the Euro, restate their debt in newly issued local currencies and watch as devaluation shrinks their debt. Yes creditors take a haircut but nothing like the haircut they will take if the Euro collapses in a disorderly fashion. And yes the debtor nations will have to run balanced budgets because no one is going to buy drachma denominated debt. But why is that a bad thing?
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Matt Blanc
11:34 AM on 12/08/2011
I understand a little about the interconnectedness of global investment. But I can't see other countries stepping in on the Euro mess until Germany and France take the hits that the US and GB have had to do. My friend in finance tells me that the European banks never went through the 'stress tests' that US banks did in '09, (as weak as those tests were). It's time that fat bank executives and investors take on the pain -- enough with trying to squeeze out money from pensions, health care and other programs that are all the 99% have.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Leader Newworldparty
10:08 AM on 12/08/2011
Europe, Canada and US created:

Fake Economy

http://www.newworldparty.org/2009/01/fake-economy.html

Fake Wealth

http://www.newworldparty.org/2007/04/debt-fake-wealth.html
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
spinnerator
10:52 AM on 12/08/2011
since none of the 'principal(s)' of your organization will identify themselves, I don't accept any of you data as genuine, nor would I ever donate to your party
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
gravescanada
09:15 AM on 12/08/2011
Screw it, let it all fall apart. All the trillions of dollars thrown at the problems created by greed and corruption. Big Banks helping nations hide their debt through complex market tools. Just let it all implode and then the real wealthy in the world can come in and buy it all up at pennies on the dollar.
Realist2011
beware false profits....
08:19 AM on 12/08/2011
This shouldn't be news to anybody. The financial systems world-wide have been brought to the brink of total collapse by unregulated, hidden "financial weapons of mass destruction" (Warren Buffet, 2002) derivatives. Every country has allowed these "financial innovations" to permeate the markets without any regulation and now the damage is coming "home".

All that profit that these banks/Wall Street firms made was merely a trade-off. Profits now for massive debts later, so long as those debts belong to someone else. That's what these derivatives do, spread the risk. Now the risk has been spread everywhere, and even the banks aren't safe. Every major bank in every country is in trouble because of these "hedges".

The G20 is just trying to keep the house of cards that they build on an major earthquake fault using substandard building materials, from failing. The "solutions" were available a decade or more ago, but they didn't want to "constrain" the market.

This is merely the completely predictable result of unrestrained greed enabled by governments world-wide. Wakey, wakey, the Piper's on his way, and he wants to be paid.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
09:06 PM on 12/08/2011
It's written in the scriptures "the monetary system as we know it will colapse this century" what will replace it is anyones guess.
08:19 AM on 12/08/2011
Our government has no money of it's own. It has mine and yours. Why should I be on the hook for people who live beyond their means? They live in high tax, cradle to grave entitlement, welfare states. What's happening is the result of plastering over the purity of capitalism with this entitlement mentality. The chickens are coming home to roost. They are reaping what they have sown. What they need is a good dose of reality. Why should we rob them of such a lesson?!
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
09:08 PM on 12/08/2011
That's because one side is capitalist and they are socialists.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
skbull44
Check out Olduvai the novel
07:51 AM on 12/08/2011
Reuters News has published a great article that uncovers what Flaherty, Harper, and Carney are not telling us: Canada is in as much trouble as Europe.

(http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Securities/Insight/2011/12_-_December/MF_Global_and_the_great_Wall_St_re-hypothecation_scandal/)

This sums it up:
"With weak collateral rules and a level of leverage that would make Archimedes tremble, firms have been piling into re-hypothecation activity with startling abandon. A review of filings reveals a staggering level of activity in what may be the world’s largest ever credit bubble.

Engaging in hyper-hypothecation have been Goldman Sachs ($28.17 billion re-hypothecated in 2011), Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (re-pledged $72 billion in client assets), Royal Bank of Canada (re-pledged $53.8 billion of $126.7 billion available for re-pledging), Oppenheimer Holdings ($15.3 million), Credit Suisse (CHF 332 billion), Knight Capital Group ($1.17 billion),Interactive Brokers ($14.5 billion), Wells Fargo ($19.6 billion), JP Morgan($546.2 billion) and Morgan Stanley ($410 billion)....

Most have been focused on how a Eurozone default would result in huge losses in Eurozone bonds being felt across the world’s banks. However, re-hypothecation suggests an even greater fear. Considering that re-hypothecation may have increased the financial footprint of Eurozone bonds by at least four fold then a Eurozone sovereign default could be apocalyptic."

Apocalyptic!!!! Wake up Canada!!!
06:58 PM on 12/07/2011
Countries like Germany have been living it up for years. Citizens there are entitled to free university tuition, long annual holidays, medical plans that include cheap medications and free dental care, and free stays at posh Medical Spas. Not to mention a multitude of benefits, for the poor and unemployed, that we Canadians can only dream of.

And they expect us to bail them out? I don't think so!
photo
littlestar
What is life without dessert?
06:52 AM on 12/08/2011
What are you talking about? Germany doesn't need to be bailed out. Countries such as Greece & Italy need financial hep, & Germany is reluctant to help as those countries didn't follow through on their end the last time they were bailed out.
08:34 AM on 12/08/2011
You might want to get a little more information.
Germany does not need a bail out. Germany is the country that has been bailing out the small countries and they are getting pretty tired of it.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Matt Blanc
11:39 AM on 12/08/2011
German banks own a lot of Greek debt - if Greece fails, Germans will lost a lot of money. And if the euro fails, evidently a lot of Germans will also lose. (Although I read that some economists are thinking that Germany will create a new deal with Denmark and maybe another stronger country and work out its own smaller 'euro'-like currency group.)