Canada Climate Deal: Kent Looks For Replacement For Kyoto By 2015

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First Posted: 12/08/11 05:21 PM ET Updated: 12/08/11 06:00 PM ET

OTTAWA -- Canada's environment minister would like to see a new global treaty that binds all the world's big polluters hammered out in the next few years.

Peter Kent says 2015 would be a good target date -- but a few years before or after that would work, too.

Kent is in the South African port city of Durban for United Nations climate talks.

Countries are divided over whether to extend the Kyoto Protocol, which expires next year.

The world's No. 1 polluter, China, wants wealthy countries such as Canada to sign on for a second round of Kyoto.

But the Conservative government says Canada will not extend its Kyoto commitment beyond next year.

Kent says some countries want more Kyoto so they can put off a new treaty for even longer.

"We are concerned that some countries may use the second Kyoto commitment to delay engagement on a new climate change regime," he said Thursday.

"Canada has said all along we need a new climate change regime which includes all major emitters just as soon as possible, and if we can get it by 2015 that would be good," Kent said.

"If it takes somewhat longer, that would be fine."

The NDP's environment critic says Kent's reference to 2015 struck her as odd.

"I will say, when I first heard the announcement, my mind jumped immediately to the date of 2015," Megan Leslie said.

"I thought, 'Oh, that's going to be right after the federal election in fact,' but that was just my first thought. My second thought was: 'What the heck are they doing here? Are they actually just making up policy on the fly?'

"I don't really know where the minister stands right now," said the New Democrat.

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01:37 PM on 12/09/2011
The fact that China describes Canada as a wealthy country, and no one pushes back, is evidence of just how effectively China has exported its mythology to us.

China is the third largest country in the world by GDP. Canada is tenth. In what sense is Canada wealthier than China? And just before someone trots out income per capita let me say that is a total red herring in a country where hundreds of millions of residents are still peasant farmers

China is a predatory mercantile dictatorship using currency manipulation, exploitation of its own impoverished workforce, intellectual property theft, protectionist trade barriers and an atrocious environmental record to literally steal prosperity from the rest of the world. Not to mention a nuclear weapons development programme that threatens world peace

And we wring our hands and let them get away with it and blame us?
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Whistlejackett
Hey stop doing that
12:42 PM on 12/09/2011
What we really need is a destruct wire implanted in every politician, then their choosing will be based on what the people want.
11:19 AM on 12/09/2011
Climate deal = Give me money

All those little Island countries are trying to get money......
The ocean is rising around 1 inch every 100 years. I think they will be fine..

Oh yes, I forgot the Chicken little fear mongering line, tipping point, we are all going to drown, boil, freeze, starve, die of thirst unless we send money.
11:10 AM on 12/09/2011
Lets see, we need CO2 for survival, plants grow better with more CO2, we actually manufacture it and put it inside greenhouses to improve yield. It is not a pollutant.

Want to get rid of a real industrial poisin that will kill you?? Get rid of floride in the water, now that is a poisin.

Global warming is a scam to fill swiss bank accounts, and it has worked very well.
10:18 AM on 12/09/2011
If Canada is legitimately looking at producing a new climate deal (which I seriously doubt they've even considered as their recent commitment to the tar sands seems to indicate), I should hope we look at supporting the new "major polluter" countries in acquiring green technologies rather than punishing them for adopting the dirty technologies used by the rest of the world to date (e.g. coal, oil). Countries will develop with the technologies available to them. They're obviously going to piggyback on the systems of those countries seen as "successful" developers. As it is now apparent that our systems are dangerous, we should help them learn from our mistakes rather than watching as they are replicated around the globe.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
10:12 AM on 12/09/2011
If the world could get around to ending it's hypocrisy on identifying the highest polluting energy systems then whoever is in the top 3 are subject to sanctions, then that could help provide a market incentive to change. Pollution is not costed for, and should be. No points on which process is the most polluting.
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Ascoli
06:21 AM on 12/09/2011
Conservatives everywhere are ignorant and disgusting in every way.
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Juanne Michaud
Proud Canadian, loony lefty
06:14 AM on 12/09/2011
2015?

Too &@!!! late. Try tomorrow, Peter.

Tell your boss, Steve-O to get himself out of the pocket of Big Oil and start thinking about what's best for the entire country. The permafrost in the arctic is melting, fer gossakes. Are the tories going to need an iceberg to come gliding up the Rideau before they figure out something is seriously wrong?
11:14 AM on 12/09/2011
Actually allmost all Canadians are in the pocket of big oil, the provinces of Ontario and east all get huge transfer payments from primarily Alberta, the 100's of thousands of Canadians that work in the industry and the 10's of millions of Canadians who use their products.

It is the only product that every single canadian(who lives in Canada) directly or indirectly uses
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and another thing . . .
02:08 AM on 12/09/2011
We need everyone on board as we're running out of time. Whether it's Kyoto or a better deal that includes the biggest polluters, we need to be more proactive and with more urgency than we've seen so far. Last I heard 450ppm was thought to be the tipping point, with our adding 3ppm per year and that was a couple of years ago. We're going to redefine 'scorched earth', and I don't think there's enough conviction by anyone to get it done. We're headed for a unknown territory, and it might not be all that wonderful.
11:16 AM on 12/09/2011
Meanwhile record cold in Victoria BC, forecasts for record cold in BC this winter, we need more warming.

BTW, its a hoax, the earth is no warmer that it has been many many times before
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and another thing . . .
01:04 PM on 12/09/2011
The 'hoax' is that it's not happening. Easier to believe, more convenient of course, but total rubbish. It's real enough and we've known about it since the '60's. But you believe what you want if it makes you feel better.
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lulex
Made in Canada
11:24 PM on 12/08/2011
Hell NO! We're now looking at a 3.5 degree temperature rise! There is no delay. If we don't act now expect a scorched earth scenario with billions of people dying!

DISGUSTING.
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agness nutter
What fresh hell is this?
10:26 PM on 12/08/2011
I once had great respect for Peter Kent.
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09:34 PM on 12/08/2011
If Harper backpedals on the Kyoto treaty where is the money gone for the carbon tax that was instiled on our gasoline. At 2.5 cents per lt. for over four years thats a few billion dollars. Where has that money gone?
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
10:14 PM on 12/08/2011
General revenues...
06:21 PM on 12/09/2011
That was a provincial tax I think your talking about, I know in at least BC and Quebec they stuck on some taxes. They would like to stick on some more too...
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Norma Ward
09:26 PM on 12/08/2011
Here is an article that outlines how the world's Arctic ice distribution and thickness has changed over the past 3 decades:

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2011/12/our-changing-arctic-is-change-permanent.html

Scientists note that the Arctic acts as the world's "canary in a coal mine" because changes in climate in the Arctic are amplified compared to what is observed at lower latitudes where most of humanity lives.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
10:14 PM on 12/08/2011
3 decades?
Who cares?
30 years is less than an eyeblink in geological terms.
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08:34 PM on 12/08/2011
That a country like Canada, most subject to climate change as 90% of the land is arctic or sub-arctic. would join the League of Climate Change Deniers (tm) can only mean on of two things:

1) they do not believe that climate change is happening, or

2) they do believe it is happening, but think it is a good thing, or

3) they do not care, as the Corporations have told them so

On second thought, it is all three.
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FredSanders
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08:34 PM on 12/08/2011
Make that three (insane_) things.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
10:15 PM on 12/08/2011
90% is arctic or subarctic?
WRONG!
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john frodo
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07:33 PM on 12/08/2011
Canada supports suspension of breathing in 2015, zero tolerance for CO2