Niqab Case Goes To Canada's Top Court

Niqab Supreme Court Canada

First Posted: 12/08/11 08:17 AM ET Updated: 12/11/11 10:25 AM ET


The Supreme Court of Canada heard arguments Thursday in the case of a woman who wants to testify in court while wearing a niqab, in a legal matter that pits religious rights against the right of defendants.


The woman, identified only as N.S., wants to wear her niqab — a veil-type cloth that covers all of her face, except her eyes —during testimony against two male relatives in a sexual assault case in Ontario. The woman is the complainant in the case, and made the request to wear her niqab based on her Muslim beliefs.


The defendants, however, say they should be able to see the facial expressions of N.S. for the purpose of cross-examination.


A preliminary inquiry judge ordered that she remove her niqab before testifying, but an Ontario Superior Court judge later quashed that order.


The Ontario Court of Appeal subsequently overturned the Superior Court's order, set up a legal test for determining if the woman can wear her niqab, and sent the matter back to the preliminary hearing judge.


The woman appealed that decision to the country's top court in Ottawa, contending her right to wear the niqab is protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. She wants the Supreme Court to send the matter back to the preliminary inquiry with an order that she be allowed to wear the niqab at the hearing and any trial that might follow.


Demeanour 'not the be all and end all'


Her lawyer says certain institutions, including courts, need to take people as they are without making them pay a price for sincerely held beliefs.


"There are lots of other ways to assess demeanour – body language and voice for example. But also demeanour is not the be all and end all. There are many other ways through cross-examination, examining the reliability of a witness's evidence …and a niqab does not interfere with that," said David Butt.


But no one should presume a woman wears a niqab for religious reasons, says the lawyer for the Canadian Muslim Congress. "There are a number of reasons that a woman could wear a niqab, they could be cultural, they could be political, they could be familial and if there's no connection to religious, it doesn't deserve constitutional protection," said Tyler Hodgson.


A lawyer for one of the accused argued he needs to physically see the witness in order to judge her demeanour and credibility.


Douglas Usher said a smirk or furrowed brow often says more than the spoken word.


But people can also judge demeanour from eye contact, voice and movements, said Julia Williams, who is with the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations.


Williams said banning the niqab in court could lead to fewer Muslim women reporting crime or agreeing to testify.


"If there's some sort of judgment that says upfront that women in niqab aren't allowed in the courtroom, can't testify, [then] women who have important claims like N.S., about alleged sexual assault, might not come forward at all and that would be a huge disservice to justice in Canada," Williams said.


"She's going to be physically present, emotionally present, intellectually present ... what will make her not present are rules that say you cannot come here and testify with your niqab on. That will truly make her invisible."


A ruling in her favour, however, could lead to distasteful requests like requesting a male judge or a judge of a certain religion, says Frank Addario, a lawyer representing the Criminal Lawyers' Association.


The Supreme Court typically takes several months to make its rulings.


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03:25 AM on 12/11/2011
http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20091008.html
Muslim Canadian Congress
wants Canada to Ban the Burka

TORONTO - The Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) is asking Ottawa to introduce legislation to ban the wearing of masks, niqabs and the burka in all public dealings.

In a statement, the MCC said, not only is the wearing of a face-mask a security hazard and has led to a number of bank heists in Canada and overseas, the burka or niqab are political symbols of Saudi inspired Islamic extremism.
10:12 AM on 12/10/2011
http://ataturksocietyuk.com/2011/12/09/wow-she-did-it-again-prime-minister-julia-gillard/
There is some truth to what she says.
03:15 AM on 12/10/2011
Would a women in mini skirt and tight top be allowed to walk around in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran ? No , you live by their values and customs the same should apply here. Canadian are very reasonable compared to what I have seen in Muslim countries. Sometimes too accommodating.
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11:08 AM on 12/10/2011
You live in Afghanistan and it is a one way street. You live in Canada it is a ten way street. So if I hear your arguement do as I say in Afghanistan but do what you want in Canada. For you Canada's troops are a waste of time. You say live by our values then all in the same sentence you say Canadians are accomadating. So why are we in Afghanistan?

Tell me, should a niqab be lifted for a security check getting on the plane? Watch the show Fifth Estate and the program Girl in a Suitcase. The killer wore a disguise to get to Africa. It included a niqab. Sometimes the law supercedes the rights of individuals and the charter doesn't apply. What needs to be found is a way to cross examine without making it public.
04:48 PM on 12/09/2011
Okay so then I can go to court(if happens) wearing a bella- clava. or how ever yuo spell that word.
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Latzy von Biron
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06:20 PM on 12/08/2011
If my religion should demand that I walk about naked, and if I am a male teacher in a school with one third of students being Muslim girls, would I have my right to religious freedom granted?

Oh, for those who may see this as a stupid and wicked exaggeration - think about it again.
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03:30 AM on 12/09/2011
How about the law that allows women to go topless in public? When that ruling was made the Muslims made no fuss. A woman topless must be one of the most offensive things they could imagine, and yet they didn't protest, write hateful comments on forums, nor preached about the shamelessness of western Canadians. They didn't demand that the women cover up. They minded their own business. But the great white western Canadians demand that Muslim women uncover their faces, because the sight of the niqab puts their nose out of joint.
Today the Muslims are said to be everything that is wrong and inappropriate. They stir up trouble, hatred and discord. They dare build mosques for worship, wear their traditional clothes, live their lives quietly, based on their own values and religious beliefs. Apparently that makes them unCanadian. Other Canadians are doing the same thing, but their way of life and clothing is acceptable, while the muslims' are not. Despite that they don't harm anyone with their veils, their looks on the street is found offensive, while western women in their mini skirts and deep cleavage, and young men with their low hanging pants with their arses hanging out, and topless ladies and the nearly nude men at the gay parade are acceptable. All within the law. It's only the face covering of a handful of Muslim women in Canada that bears censure and ridicule. How intriguing...
03:19 AM on 12/10/2011
Does harm to younger children who might be forced to wear it in terms of teasing and bulling. Does harm to teens who cannot fit into culture and left segregated to not enjoy the benefits of socializing. There is also harm with loss of job prospects..etc.
04:44 PM on 12/08/2011
The right to religious freedom is the right to BELIEVE as you please, not to DO as you please. Secular law has to trump religious law otherwise we get freedom of religion trotted out to defend every behavior from polygamy to honor killings.
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04:31 PM on 12/08/2011
Take the hard line on this now, Canada. You come here and want to live in our beautiful country? You adapt to OUR laws, our customs. Don't likey? Feel free to return back home. Oh, and Merry Christmas.
06:01 PM on 12/08/2011
Wow, have you ever looked at our Charter of Rights? You might find it interesting reading.
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bigmovieman
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06:16 PM on 12/08/2011
Yes, freedom of religion. However, Islam does not require a women to wear a Niqab. It is ENTIRELY a culture issue.
11:26 PM on 12/08/2011
canfemlib - try reasding the Koran before you taalk about the Charter of Rights. Freedon of religion yes. Niqab no. The Koran is not even close to what the Koran says re how women dress. It says women and men must dress modestly.
03:56 PM on 12/08/2011
A society needs to have a set of minimum values that trump cultural and religious beliefs. The right to a fair trial is one such value and the fact that we hold and defend that value is one of the reasons people choose to come to Canada in the first place.
03:52 PM on 12/08/2011
The right of a fair trial should not be compromised due to a person’s religious beliefs.
At the end of the day religion (all religion) is nothing more than superstitious nonsense and it gets in the way of everything.
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03:52 PM on 12/08/2011
I will never understand women who view this garment as liberating, a choice, a preference that has no connection to their complete subjugation in various parts of the world. Women wearing these garments in democracies say they do it as a choice and as proof of their faith. So the women wearing this disgusting costume elsewhere do it because they're making a choice? No one is forcing them? Um, I think not. And those who support the wearing of it in Canada or in other democracies are slapping the faces of their sisters who do not have that choice. Show your face and fight against this garment so your less liberated sisters can see that choice is possible elsewhere. Those wearing these garments are hypocrites and are reinforcing women as submissive property to males. That's what this garment represents--not freedom, not choice, but garments to protect men from the desires women's faces/bodies invoke within the male mind. In other words, without the garment, anything that happens to a woman is her fault because she's a temptress who doesn't cover up her naughty bits (like her hair and her arms, for instance). There is a practical use for face covering in the desert. Beyond that, no point. This is Canada. Don't like the rules, go back to where you're appreciated. Yea. Lots of appreciation for women in Afghanistan. Likely, that's why you're here in the first place.
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03:48 PM on 12/08/2011
I think we are changing to many of our laws to suit the muslim religion. I think thats enough of this nonsense ,if you dont want to live by our laws and our rules dont come to Canada..and stop wasting our courts time and money on your so called religion, show your face or drop the the case.
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03:24 PM on 12/08/2011
I am very surprised to read so many opinions that new Canadians must drop their culture and religious beliefs when they come to Canada! We are all much richer for the multicultural society we have and have always had, whether it was restricted to white immigration from different countries (if that is where the good old days are) or today's rich society.

A small community of Muslims feel that the important religious principal of modesty (for men and women) means that women should cover their faces. In Canada, our freedom from discrimination on the basis of religion is in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, so if you don't like Niquabs and Burqas, you are free to think what you want, but women may dress as they want. Sikh men wear turbans because of their religion, and many laws are modified to fit their freedom of religion.

A fair trial is extremely important in a free society. Judges will have to determine to what degree and which rights must be compromised in this case--not according to how popular Islam is, how heinous the alleged crime is, or whether the witness is testifying of her own volition, or at the request of the Crown prosecutor. Just because someone's religious practice is not usual does not make it less protected than my right to wear a cross, which means a lot to me.
04:43 PM on 12/08/2011
The middle ground already exists in Canada.

These type of immigrants are rejecting it.

Noticing it, and refusing to move into the realm where tolerance crosses over into colonization is merely people's good sense and honouring the basis of how what we have works.
11:35 PM on 12/08/2011
So the men in Bountiful have the right to import fourteen year old girls and get them pregnant. I don't think so. And the trial in Kingston is wrong because it was a Muslim who killed his first wife and his three daughters or so the crown says and seems to have a very strong case uholding the charge of murder. Honour killing is not part of the Koran but many Muslims think it is. Similarly, some Hindu girls who are married at nine or ten and then widowed must live out their lives in a house for widows. In the past widows were supposed to throw themselves on the funeral pyre of their husbands. The British outlawed that religious custom.
02:33 PM on 12/08/2011
The recent case in Afghanistan where a woman was told to marry the man gulity of raping her should also apply here then!!
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02:07 PM on 12/08/2011
The issue here isn't about women's rights, or even cultural sensitivity.

What is at issue here is the right of a person to have a fair trial. Now, I know there are a lot of "law and order" types who feel that a person who has been arrested is automatically guilty - just by reason of their having been accused. But that's not the premise that our legal system is based on. We maintain a presumption of innocence. A key part of that assumption is the right to a fair trial.

The issue here is whether or not the defendants can get a fair trial when the accuser - or one of the witnesses - has their face covered. If we, as people, only communicated using our words, this likely wouldn't be a problem. But humans use all kinds of messaging - body language, facial expressions, etc to convey unspoken information. The court doesn't have BELIEVE that these cues are true or false - just as words are not automatically true or false simply because they are spoken. But, a defendant DOES have the right, IMO, to fully assess all the cues from a witness - verbal and non-verbal - and proceed accordingly.

As a society we have agreed on these rules - the exception being under-age children who are often allowed to testify via video or from behind a screen. Grown women have a responsibility, as members of this community, to participate in the justice system as it stands.
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03:41 PM on 12/08/2011
You make a very good point, it is all about a fair trial. Facial expression is all about how we communicate as a species, much like a dog does with there tail. Maybe because I believe this fully covered burqua thing should not be allowed in our society, because I could easily use one to go rob a corner store. I am sorry if these sounds bigoted,but this fully covered burqua thing has no business in western society in this day and age. ie: terrorism!
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01:59 PM on 12/08/2011
And if I decide to wear a balaclava in court I would probably be "in contempt f court" but slap on "religion" behind it and all of a sudden it's a protected right?

Give me a break. Enough with the double standards for the religious. This is a secular society. Live with it.