F-35: Canada To Purchase Jets, But Final Number Not Carved In Stone, Julian Fantino Says

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First Posted: 12/12/11 11:51 AM ET Updated: 12/12/11 11:05 PM ET

OTTAWA - The ability to defend the skies and operate overseas at the same time would be in peril if the Harper government buys fewer stealth fighters than planned, the head of the Royal Canadian Air Force said Monday.

Lt.-Gen. Andre Deschamps said the air force would have to review how much "concurrent activity" it could handle if the number of radar-evading F-35s drop below the 65 aircraft the government has promised.

"The air force will live with whatever the government procures for us," said Deschamps in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"In the end, it's all about managing risk in delivering the defence mission. The number 65 gives us the capacity to cover all our missions with confidence."

The minister in charge of buying equipment for the military, Julian Fantino, said in an interview with Montreal-based L'actualite that the number of stealth fighters Canada intends to purchase is not carved in stone.

"We still talk about it; it is (being) analyzed. There is still time, until 2013, to decide the final number," said Fantino, the associate defence minister. "Could be under 65? Maybe. At some point, we make a decision."

Deschamps acknowledged that the number of F-35s is "subject to review," but warned that the air force would be challenged to carry out missions "if the number of aircraft changes dramatically."

The Harper government committed itself in July 2010 to the current number of multi-role fighters, but does not expect to begin taking delivery until 2016.

It is the smallest fleet the air force is able to live with given its current commitments to North American air defence, which requires at least 36 fighters to be set aside for NORAD missions. The initial joint-strike fighter proposal said Canada was prepared to buy 80 aircraft, replacing the current fleet of CF-18s almost one-for-one.

Deschamps said the decision to move to 65 jets was based on a mixture of "affordability" and what numbers the air force believes "it needs to deliver on our numerous defence missions."

Both Fantino and Defence Minister Peter MacKay have insisted the $9 billion set aside for the initial purchase is a hard figure and will not be exceeded.

The price tag Canada and other nations will pay per aircraft is unclear despite intense speculation, and Fantino did not elaborate whether the Harper government could buy fewer F-35s.

The government has insisted it will pay roughly $75 million per aircraft when it begins placing orders for delivery in 2016.

But in figures released over the weekend for initial production batches, the U.S. and Britain are expected to fork out between $140.9 million and $144.9 million per aircraft.

The price tag fluctuates year-to-year, depending on the number of aircraft ordered. If the current figure holds, the government would be forced to either take fewer planes — or increase its capital budget.

Matthew Kellway, an Ontario New Democrat MP, said he sees Fantino's comments as the government's back-door admission that it can't meet its target and that critics were right in focusing on the enormous cost.

"It's an acknowledgment they can't get the plane for the number they said they could," he said. "I think just about everybody else in the world has acknowledged that is the case."

The Norwegians have been more pragmatic by laying out a range for the F-35 price, Kellway said.

There has been speculation in the defence community that a potential shortfall in manned stealth fighters could be made up with the planned Harper government purchase of unmanned aircraft, such as the U.S.-made MQ-1 Predator.

But Deschamps says drone technology, while rapidly evolving, does not allow it an air-to-air combat role, which is the primary requirement of the stealth fighter.

He also questioned the ability of remotely-operated aircraft to conduct air-to-ground attacks against heavily defended targets.

Currently, drones do an excellent job in surveillance and strikes against targets that don't shoot back, said the air chief.

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04:50 PM on 12/13/2011
"But Deschamps says drone technology, while rapidly evolving, does not allow it an air-to-air combat role"

because they haven't been built yet. a Predator fired a Stinger in combat back in 2003, so WVR isn't a problem. BVR is even easier, the AMRAAM for example doesn't require a radar on the launch aircraft (see Wikipedia if you don't believe me). just feed it target data from any source, the missile does the rest

the only thing the UAV really lacks is speed: take a known engine like the F-100, put it in an F-16 like air frame, and you've got an air combat capable UAV for as little as $20 million, with minimal developement work or risk

or Canada can wait until 2018 and buy UCAVs: AMRAAM capable, superior stealth and range over an F-35, at 30% of the cost. and you won't risk a human life over some of the hardest to reach areas in the world
01:34 PM on 12/13/2011
Scrap it like Kyoto.
01:05 PM on 12/13/2011
I still want to know why Canada with all of her own aero-engineers who proved their worth decades ago, aren't Building our Air Farce. (Sorry to all you zoomers but us sailors never saw the need for aircraft cluttering up the decks)
All kidding aside tho we can and should be making our own aircraft. Whatever happened to the guy in the 60s who built a diesel powered stealth plane, flew it and surprised the air force with its capabilities? I'm willing to bet Canada is chokkers with techies who'd love to work in Canada building a Canadian plane.
Cost is a big issue for a country that can't afford housing for its indigenous people granted. So why not look into a Canadian alternative? My guess is hands in other people's pockets, secret hands across the business border. (This one can't fail they're going to eventually get something for their money and if we drag it out long enough we all oughta be able to retire wealthy)
We should put a mighty stop on investments like this eh. We have enough on our plate with rising inflation and the cost of living without tying ourselves even tighter to our neighbors.
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uneeda
Make Peace in Our Time
10:56 PM on 12/12/2011
these guys are just winging it.The reality is they have no idea what these planes will cost
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
08:58 PM on 12/12/2011
Stop listening to the car salesman pushing the F-35. If we must buy the F-35, only grab a couple of them to use strictly as a bomber. For our true security needs we should invest in the Super Hornet or Silent Eagle. They are both real fighter interceptors that we could use. We do not need the modern version of the BF110 that the F-35 represents.
Realist2011
beware false profits....
08:49 PM on 12/12/2011
Before you Canadians get your first F35 (at least the first mostly functional version) the price is going to be closer to 200 million US, and that might even turn out to be a number that's too low.

If it's one thing America's military industrial complex knows, it's how to be inefficient and get rewarded greatly for it's inefficiency.

Please buy some of our V22 Ospreys as well. They're excellent manned target drones. They have to fly a very careful "pattern" and on landing and take-off, well they're just sitting ducks. Plus, we'll sell some to you for only 1.5 times the cost of your F35's, if you buy some today.
07:34 PM on 12/12/2011
Change the number to zero. Buy SuperHornets instead. It's all we need and they are a fantastic aircraft.
04:15 PM on 12/12/2011
What part of this equation don't these twits get.
You can buy 65 F-35's or spend 9 Billion.
You cannot do both.