Canadian Debt: Households Getting Poorer And Taking On More Debt Says StatsCan

Debt Canada Households

First Posted: 12/13/11 10:14 AM ET Updated: 12/15/11 11:33 AM ET

OTTAWA - Canadians keep taking on more debt even as they get poorer, a new Statistics Canada report shows

Average household debt in Canada hit a new record high of almost 153 per cent to disposable income in the third quarter, a sizable jump from 150.7 per cent the previous quarter, the agency reported Tuesday.

As well, household net worth declined by 2.1 per cent to $180,100 from $184,700, the sharpest drop in almost three years as the value of pensions and stock investments declined.

The report came a day after Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney again warned about the dangers of household debt poses to the economy going forward.

Canadians are more indebted now than the Americans and British, Carney noted, saying that they need to move to bring debt accumulation in line with income growth, which is modest. Debt rose at about twice the pace of income during the quarter.

But analysts cautioned against taking too dark a view over the health of household finances in Canada.

"It's not black and white," said Benjamin Tal, a senior economist with CIBC World Markets. Most debt accumulation is from mortgages, and unlike the U.S. before the sub-prime fiasco, the segment of home buyers considered "marginal" in Canada is very small.

"I have no problem with people borrowing if they have the ability to pay and have a good job... and can finance this debt when (interest) rates rise."

Other than mortgage debt, most other forms of credit, such as outstanding balances on credit cards, lines of credit and term loans are slowing down or even falling, Tal added.

Bank of Montreal economist Douglas Porter said he believes most Canadians are acting in a rational manner. The Bank of Canada has driven interest rates to near-record lows precisely so businesses and consumers can borrow and spend to support the economy, he said.

"I don't want to say there are no concerns, but is anyone really surprised Canadians are borrowing heavily?" he asked. "The inducement is staring them in the face, people are just responding to the economic incentive in front of them."

The major concern is that debt is growing at a faster pace than incomes, but Porter said there is no hard and fast rule about what level of debt is unsustainable.

The latest data shows debt has been on a rising slope for more than a year, climbing from $1.480 trillion in the second quarter of 2010 to $1.595 trillion today.

Meanwhile household net worth per capita has declined two straight quarters and at $180,100, is now only slightly above last year's level at this time. If inflation is taken into account, net worth actually fell in the past 12 months.

Most of the reason for the sharp setback in the past quarter can be traced to the stock market plunge since late July, which has not only reduced the worth of Canadian's equities investments, but devalued their pension holdings, Statistics Canada said.

"This marked the sharpest quarterly reduction in stock prices and per capita household net worth since the fourth quarter of 2008," the agency said.

Tal said Canadians do have the benefit of time to get their finances in order. Interest rates are expect to remain at extremely low levels for as much as two years, which means debt servicing payments will not appreciably increase during that time.

"If we talk 12 months from now and you tell me debt is up by 10 to 15 per cent and mortgage activity is up 10-15 per cent and house prices are up 10-15 per cent, then I would be concerned," he said.

One of the few pieces of good news in the report was that national worth, which includes firms, increased by one per cent to $6.5 trillion.

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freeSpeakr
I stand on the shoulders of giants
09:08 AM on 12/14/2011
Never mind. The market will fix everything ...
03:29 AM on 12/14/2011
All these pius posters makes me laugh. Yep, life is expensive, salaries don't match up with the cost of living , debit is inevitable. The banks and credit card companies love it. Don't like it, cut off the credit.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:09 PM on 12/13/2011
Further to this......

"I haven't been as wild with my money as somebody like me might have been. I've been very safe, very conservative with investments. I don't blow money. I don't have a ton of houses. I know things can go away. I've already had that experience. "
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09:55 PM on 12/13/2011
Best to live below your means..& PAY WITH CASH!!!
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Norma Ward
09:13 PM on 12/13/2011
Here are more details showing how the household debt-to-income level of Canadians is rising and now exceeds that of both the United States and the United Kingdom :

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2011/12/bank-of-canada-and-canadas-household.html

This is of particular concern because Canadians have been lulled into a false sense of debt serviceability by the Bank of Canada's lengthy period of ultra-low interest rates. Should rates rise to normal levels, many Canadians would be unable to service their current levels of debt, putting strain on Canada's banking system.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:26 PM on 12/13/2011
No worrys. There are not as many people affected. This problem has to be looked at on a per capita basis.
07:37 PM on 12/13/2011
The other message that bothers me in so many articles about debt is the idea that we need people to borrow and spend to stimulate the economy. We don't need people to borrow and spend. We need people to EARN and spend. Using a credit card to buy a product made in China does nothing to help our economy recover.
06:51 PM on 12/13/2011
This article makes only glancing reference to the distinction between secured and unsecured debt, but I think this is the important subject. The biggest secured debt is a mortgage. Second in line might be a secured line of credit or a car loan. In any of these cases there is an approval process that involves the lender taking a lien on an asset and complying with some regulations on who can borrow how much.

The problem in my mind is unsecured debt, mostly credit card debt but also things like payday loans and a lot of consolidation loans sold as a way to "get out of debt" although I have never figured out how replacing one loan with another amounts to getting out of debt.

I really think companies issuing credit cards should be required to follow some guidelines more like mortgage lenders, with minimum asset rules, some sort of security and proof of an income stream equal to the TOTAL debt load a person is carrying.
05:23 PM on 12/13/2011
Is the photograph at the top of this article saying ->Clamp Down on Credit Card Debt ?
03:33 PM on 12/13/2011
Keep purchasing 5 bed 4 bath homes for your 3 family memebers and we will see how that works for ya? Did you manage to accomplish impressing the Jones', great then, eat KD and like it....the real Jones' have gone on vacation because THEY can afford to.
02:47 PM on 12/13/2011
housing prices are astronomical anywhere around the GTA it was only a matter of time...
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Leader Newworldparty
01:59 PM on 12/13/2011
Canada's Housing Bubble surpassed the US bubble.

Canadians' net worth will get much worse after the bubble collapses.

See

Housing: After the Bubble Bursts

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/11/housing-after-bubble-bursts.html
08:57 PM on 12/13/2011
I think you need to read up on what actually cause the housing bubble in the US. And, then you will understand why what happened there is not happening hear. Namely our banks are regualted , as well as, the rating agency for assets. The US goverment held up the housing market in an attempt to prop the economy up. That led to over production of homes, coupled with the finacial collapse on wall street, you have less demand and more supply. Market busts. There is not an oversupply of homes in Canada, and the recession has not cripple our economy like down south.
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Leader Newworldparty
09:23 PM on 12/13/2011
Read:

http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/11/housing-after-bubble-bursts.html

"Many Canadians believe that when this housing bubble bursts, they will have a soft landing, unlike the American's. They say that the outcome for Canada will not end in a disaster like it did for the U.S. economy, because Canada did not have AAA rated CDOs (Collateralized Debt Obligations), NINJA loans, etc.

True, Canada did not have these, but neither did Spain, Ireland or Japan. Nevertheless, Spain and Ireland are now worse off than the U.S. Here is a comparison:"

After Japan's bubble burst, their housing and stock market have declined for 21 years.

None of these countries had many empty homes before the collapse. After the collapse, both Ireland and Spain now have more empty homes than in the U.S. That's a good indication of over-supply.

Read:

Housing, the most manipulated market in the world
http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/04/housing-most-manipulated-market-in.html
(Canada's manipulation is in bottom half of article)

It explains how the US and Canadian governments massively manipulated housing to create the bubbles.

The financial collapse on Wall Street was caused by the collapse of their housing bubble, not the other way around.
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Leader Newworldparty
09:24 PM on 12/13/2011
The reason Canada's economy was not crippled, was because Canadians went into over-drive on borrowing and spending, which fuelled the economy. Read:

Bubbles - Extreme Maker and Breaker of Wealth
http://www.newworldparty.org/2011/11/bubbles-extreme-maker-and-breaker-of.html

"Note from the above chart that Americans' household debt to income ratio peaked at approx. 124% in 2007-2008, coinciding with the peak of their housing bubble and fake economy. After the bubble burst, they have deleveraged down to approximately 105%.

Canadians' household debt to income ratio continued soaring to 150% in February 2011 (according to CBC). "
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MNJim
Bio doesn't meet the guidelines
01:49 PM on 12/13/2011
Well, if it's any consolation to you, things ain't so groovy down here in Baja Canada either.
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ontariogirl
Power to the People
01:36 PM on 12/13/2011
BS. I don't buy this.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:06 AM on 12/13/2011
Who cares. These are self inflicted wounds by people who have to have it now and don't care of the consequences. Declaring bankruptcy won't affect them much either. As for those mortgage/car loan people they need to focus more on debt reduction. It is hard to do when you got four kids and you want them in every social program offered. Banks don't care and give back little. Interest rates are high. My advice, have one card and maybe two if you travel outside the country since one of oyur cards might not work. Personally if I was a spender I wouldn't be an owner. you can loss assets but no one wants a shirt you have worn or left over food from a resturant meal. Remember you can't take debt with you so enjoy while you can.
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tnanimation
11:29 AM on 12/15/2011
It's very easy to wag a finger at others and be sanctimonious toward those who run into debt. The fact is, with fewer jobs, wages lowering overall and rapacious credit card companies and banks, the system is designed to extract the maximum amount from everyone. For the vast majority of Canadians it's living cheque to cheque. 'Self inflicted wounds'? Try declaring bankruptcy some time. Believe me, it's no walk in the park.