Mind The Gap: Readers Weigh In On Declining Unions

Canada Income Inequality Decline Unions

First Posted: 12/13/11 04:54 PM ET Updated: 12/13/11 04:59 PM ET

Public debate over the role of labour unions has always been highly polarized, so it should come as no surprise that public reaction to The
Huffington Post's recent story about the link between declining unions and Canada's growing income gap was strong -- and fiercely divided.

In the latest instalment of Mind The Gap, HuffPost's ongoing exploration of Canada's widening rich-poor divide, we investigated the relationship between the erosion of unions and the decline of the middle class -- and, by extension, the rise in income inequality.

It was a link that resonated with many readers -- particularly those concerned about the trajectory of organized labour.

"Unions are more relevant than ever," sgillhoolley maintained. "Whenever unions grow weak, worker wages decline, as does the middle class. It is in [society's] interest to encourage unionization. Unions lead to better wages which leads to a stronger economy. Remember, the true job creators are customers, not rich people."

Wilb Porter, who joined the discussion on Facebook, had a similar take.

"I have a feeling that we may need unions more than ever over the next 10 [to] 15 years," he wrote, reminding commenters, "If you have a great paying job now, no matter what it is, you can thank a union for it ... Had unions not wrestled better pay and working conditions for its members over the past 60 [to] 70 years, your pay right now would be comparatively lower than it is."

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But other commenters took issue with the one of the primary functions of unions, particularly in the manufacturing sector: to turn bad jobs into middle-class jobs.

"This is the [problem] with unions and the reason they've contributeed to income inequality. They don't offer real solutions; only artificial ones. They let you believe that what you're doing is invaluable to society and you should be paid $30 [per] hour for screwing in rivets into the hood of a car for [eight] hours a day. Meanwhile, people with degrees are struggling to find minimum wage jobs," purported Certified Jatt. "I'm glad unions will end! That way, these people will have to prove their worth to society like everyone else, and be vulnerable to firings and dismissals and 'accountability' like everyone else."
Antony Niro echoed this sentiment.

"This article actually proves the point unions are obsolete," he said. "It basically says unions make jobs not worth middle-class pay be paid at a middle-class rate. That's a problem. Unions were more than that when they formed and current labour laws perform that function today."

Karen DeNoble was one of several commenters who blamed unions for their own demise.

"Unions have over-priced workers. They are responsible for 'collective bargaining' themselves right out of the labour pool," she wrote.

Yet, however unsustainable big private-sector unions may be, it's clear that as the jobs they helped create disappear, the absence of anything to replace them is a source of frustration.

This sentiment was illustrated in a sarcastic quip offered by St. Thomas, Ont., resident HopperRox.

"Luckily our manufacturing sector has been gutted to make way for the jobs of the future. Did you want fries with that? Double-double coffee? Thank you for shopping our Walmart! Ah, the future looks grand!!!!"

Meanwhile, piceaglauca had some advice for Shane MacPherson, one of the laid-off autoworkers profiled in the HuffPost story.

"You might have to go somewhere else. Maybe out of Ontario."

As for those sidelined by the decline of formerly mighty private-sector unions, piceaglauca opined, "Too many people thought they were living the dream, and maybe they did, but they also might have to live the nightmare."

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Public debate over the role of labour unions has always been highly polarized, so it should come as no surprise that public reaction to The Huffington Post's recent story about the link between decl...
Public debate over the role of labour unions has always been highly polarized, so it should come as no surprise that public reaction to The Huffington Post's recent story about the link between decl...
 
 
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09:47 AM on 12/15/2011
Honestly, you'd have to be quite obtuse not to see the connection with the decline of unions, the decline of the middle class and the growing income gap. People are their own worst enemies and have a sick desire to bring everyone down while the mega wealthy laugh at us from their ivory towers. I fear however it will get worse before it gets better. I suspect when this dream of ever lasting growth hits a brick wall (and it will) we will have a revolution.
Jack Canuckski
Canadian Observer of the passing scene
12:00 PM on 12/14/2011
I would like to respond to Karen DeNoble, who had written ""Unions have over-priced workers. They are responsible for 'collective bargaining' themselves right out of the labour pool."
What Ms. DeNoble does not realize is that those so-called "over-priced" workers were the the reason that our economy flourished for so many years. These workers were making enough money to buy the goods and services that other workers provided. Without that market, the jobs of many other workers would not have existed. It was the fact that unions raised the wages of both union and non-union workers that created the advanced industrial economy that Canadians enjoyed for many years.
Without unions and the general effect on wages, our industries would have been totally dependent on exports.
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dread
12:44 PM on 12/14/2011
This all sounds good except these over paid union workers have no problem spending their money at Wal-Mart buying made in China merchandise.
09:50 AM on 12/15/2011
Sad, but true. Canadians aren't patriotic at all and neither are Americans. We have become consumption machines and garbage makers.
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Aneesia
09:40 AM on 12/14/2011
Take my country, please. I hope Canada doesn't fall into the US trap of importing almost everything from overseas so that the rich can become even more wealthy. Workers here take pay cuts, lose their jobs and their assets so that they can only afford imported products from the big box stores...the US is on a death spiral to oblivion.
jimbo57
ni dieu ni maitre
07:10 PM on 12/13/2011
Call centers are now shifting work to Mumbai. Are they running away from the all-powerful Minimum -Wage Call Center Workers' Union? No, they're just trying to shave pennies off the dollar on labour costs by going offshore. The same race to the bottom that has been going on for the past thirty years, and anyone making less than 250K a year who gets sucked into repeating this crap about Canadian workers not being "good enough" to earn a middle class income in Canada is just a tool working against their own best interests. Its as if the slaughterhouse managed to convince the sheep to cut their own throats.
08:36 PM on 12/13/2011
I couldn't have said it better, Jimo. F&F
09:53 AM on 12/15/2011
Yep, the race to the bottom and the threat to white collar jobs may wake up the docile and enslaved middle class.....but I doubt it. They'll just accept longer hours and less pay....I wonder if CEO's will do the same?
06:24 PM on 12/13/2011
This is just a summary of comments - it is not new content at all. Cmon HuffPo.
11:30 PM on 12/13/2011
I agree.

I question the value of cherry picking a few comments and implicitly putting them forward as representative of the whole discussion.

Were most of the comments anti union for example? You'd think so from the space proportionately given in the article to anti union vs. pro union opinion. Whose agenda is being served by such meta commentary?
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CanadaStan
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06:11 PM on 12/13/2011
The commies are getting bolder...