Tory Omnibus Crime Bill: Pierre Claude Nolin, Conservative Senator, Says He Can't Support Government Crime Bill

Pierre Claude Nolin

First Posted: 12/16/11 04:53 PM ET Updated: 12/16/11 05:18 PM ET

OTTAWA - A Conservative senator is speaking out against his own government's omnibus crime bill.

Quebec Senator Pierre Claude Nolin says he can't support the massive Bill C-10 mainly because of a section that deals with growing marijuana plants.

The proposed legislation has just passed second reading in the upper chamber, and will land in a Senate committee when Parliament resumes at the end of January.

Nolin has been a longtime advocate for ending the prohibition on pot. He was the chairman of a landmark Senate committee in 2002 that called for the substance to be legalized.

The omnibus crime bill covers nine distinct pieces of legislation, and introduces mandatory minimum sentences for a number of new offences.

Growing anywhere between six and 200 pot plants can land a person in prison for a minimum of six months — nine months if there are extenuating circumstances such as growing near young people.

Critics have pointed out the proposed penalties are stiffer than some mandatory minimum sentences for child sex crimes.

"The courts and the police already have the tools to face the major problems of trafficking and the gangs, they all have those tools," Nolin said during second-reading debate of the bill Friday.

"But don't get into the business of changing the CDSA (Controlled Drugs and Substances Act), it's bad. The idea of prohibition is not good, it does not work, it's going to create more problems than anything else."

Nolin says many among the estimated one million Canadians who use marijuana for medical purposes and grow their own plants will be forced to turn to criminal sources of cannabis to get their supply.

"So C-10 will exactly do the reverse of the intent of the bill. By the way, the criminal world is already laughing all the way to the coffers because definitely the amendments to the CDSA in C-10 will provoke a bigger market for them...," Nolin said.

"I'm sick, I want to alleviate my pain, and instead of growing it myself I'll buy it from a friend of a friend of a friend. Is that what we want? Me, I don't want that."

Nolin says he's also concerned about the impact on young offenders. He points out that a majority of young people between the ages of 12 and 17 have tried cannabis, and that some will grow plants at college or university campuses.

He says sending a young person to prison for six months because they are convicted of a serious drug offence and tried as an adult is not good policy.

"There's only one solution, a long-term solution. Get rid of prohibition," Nolin said to applause in the Senate.

"At least use the short-term solution, don't touch it, keep the status quo, don't amend the CDSA. The CDSA is not good, but at least it's there, and we haven't figured out what we're going to do, that's the long-term solution, but don't touch it."

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  • Key Measures In Tory Crime Bill

    The bill, known as the Safe Streets and Communities Act, includes the following measures: <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em> (CP/Alamy)

  • Child Sex Offences

    Heftier penalties for sexual offences against children. The bill also creates two new offences aimed at conduct that could facilitate or enable the commission of a sexual offence against a child. (MANAN VATSYAYANA/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Drugs

    Tougher sentences for the production and possession of illicit drugs for the purposes of trafficking. (NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Violent And Young Offenders

    Tougher penalties for violent and repeat young offenders. (JOHN MACDOUGALL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Conditional Sentences

    An end to the use of conditional sentences, or house arrest, for serious and violent crimes (GEOFF ROBINS/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Parole Hearings

    Allowing victims to participate in parole hearings. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld)

  • Pardons

    Extending ineligibility periods for applications for pardons to five years from three for summary-conviction offences and to 10 years from five for indictable offences. (Flickr: haven't the slightest)

  • Transferring Canadian Offenders

    Expanding the criteria that the public safety minister can consider when deciding whether to allow the transfer of a Canadian offender back to Canada to serve a sentence. (JOEL ROBINE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Terror Victims

    Allowing terrorism victims to sue terrorists and their supporters, including listed foreign states, for losses or damages resulting from an act of terrorism committed anywhere in the world.(STRDEL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Human Trafficking

    Measures to prevent human trafficking and exploitation. (LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)

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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
12:30 PM on 12/19/2011
Ahh.. Another "Only in Canada" story on HuffPo... Conservative Senator doesn't support new Crime Bill due to it's new laws concerning Marijuana grow-ops! ... Nice!

A good Common-Sense Conservative here... a rare breed nowadays
07:08 PM on 12/18/2011
There is something ideologically twisted about a crime bill where the proposed penalties for growing anywhere between six and 200 pot plants are greater than some mandatory minimum sentences for child sex crimes; it does, however, reflect the puerile mindset of Conservative MP's on the subject.

Meanwhile, Health Canada's proposed changes (to MMAR) in conjunction with Bill C-10 clause, its' amended clause 41 and its' mandatory minimum penalties (the Safe Streets and Communities Act) will result in sick and dying Canadians who refuse to relinquish their Personal Production Licence and Designated Growers being targeted and jailed.

It's an even more bizarre world when Conservatives’ ideologically implemented legislation makes criminals of sick and dying Canadians while effectively insulating organized drug kingpins, but that's precisely what the Safe Streets and Communities Act will accomplish. Moreover, the Safe Streets and Communities Act does nothing to circumvent youth access.
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colpy
05:38 AM on 12/18/2011
I am a Conservative Party member, and remain so for many reasons.

I completely agree with this gentleman. The increasing of penalties for cannabis use and cultivation is moronc.

As well, mandatory sentencing is a stupid idea. It removes a necessary flexibility from the justice system.

Now, offer me a sane alternative to the Conservatives.

There isn't one.

(sigh)
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BoredomCorner
04:43 PM on 12/19/2011
So you still support a party that left us in WORSE shape than the Liberals, and who suppresses dissent with armed force?

Oh, and who cheated its way into power, I might add?

I thought you people were morally superior beings.
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colpy
05:22 PM on 12/19/2011
Ahhh...would you care to expand on that "suppresses dissent with armed force"????

While you're at it, perhaps you could explain the "cheated its way into power" thing???

I'm not "morally superior", but I am sane.
05:24 PM on 12/19/2011
BoredomCorner: Way to do a disservice to the rest of us non-Conservatives by resorting to such juvenile and self-righteous tactics. The irony is that you're using tactics not unlike the less respectable Conservatives (which colpy doesn't appear to be at all).

colpy: I'm a long-time Liberal supporter, and while I don't share your preference in terms of party, I'm glad to have you in our corner on this issue. Good on you, mate.
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working onit
Stop Harper
08:43 PM on 12/19/2011
Dear Colpy,

I too have been a PC'er forever. Because of C10 and the online spying bill I will be switching sides to any side but PC.

Canada's future under this brand of PC's looks like a gulag in the making.

Any other party is a saner alternative than that.
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BCSLAVE
Got a key?
06:31 PM on 12/17/2011
He must have been appointed under the old Progressive Conservative Party banner. You may not know this but it was the real conservative party before the ruling Reform Party of Stephen Harper came to power and made the great Harper Government movement that did away with references to Canada and all other political parties. Such a fuss democracy was. Now we have solid leadership and stability with just one great party - the Reform Party of Stephen Harper!

Anyways, the last leader of the once great PC Party was no other than Peter McKay. He sold it to Stephen Harper for a title and privilege and became Prince Peter of the Reform Party. After that we all were forced to become citizens of the Government of Harper after the Government of Canada was removed from reference.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
12:37 PM on 12/19/2011
Another great history lesson from BCSLAVE. :D
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05:54 PM on 12/17/2011
We are a day into this major story, and still the CBC hasn't picked up on it. Our national broadcaster appears to be completely under the control of Harper.
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Jack Hope
Occasionally quoted by Mainstream Media
04:53 PM on 12/17/2011
Wow, maybe there are a few real Tories left not these warmed over Reformer/Alliance people.
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Valerie Keefe
09:23 PM on 12/17/2011
We do try. I think any proper conservative understands that recreational drug use, alcohol included, is a social institution that has been with us for quite some time. The fatality and injury rate of alcohol use per 100 000 users should be a benchmark for the legalization of recreational substances. It'd still be illegal to operate machinery under an intoxicating influence of said substances, but that's something law enforcement already covers.
02:38 PM on 12/17/2011
Let me get this right. Scientific data, history, and common sense shows this is a cost increasing, ineffective approach to crime yet no conservative in the house will admit it. On TV before millions of viewers, US presidential wannabes are denouncing science, global warming, financial regulations, etc and can probably get elected with such beliefs. I know Christopher Hitchens had cancer but I suspect he died of frustration. Can you imagine how difficult it was for him to live in this bizzarro world with his brain power?
09:14 PM on 12/18/2011
Yeah I can imagine that actually. This will sound self serving, and I do not mean to hint at having the level of "brain power" that Hitchens possessed, but in my view members of society appear to have lost their ability to think critically. Nobody appears to have the guts or the know-how to challenge the Status Quo.

Even protesters are simply highlighting the problems but having a hard time offering solutions. Those with solutions are labeled as "radicals". Tell me... what new idea is not a radical idea?
02:11 PM on 12/17/2011
Thank you M Nolin for having the guts to speak out on this subject. I am a PC voter and I support virtually every part of Bill C10, but I also have a lifelong belief that the criminality of marijuana serves no useful purpose and causes a great deal of harm.

I know there are many here who could not reconcile the idea of a fiscal conservative law and order type who also thinks marijuana should be legalized but hey, consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative
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Atim-moot Tugayak
Sun News is Dark and Hateful.
01:41 PM on 12/17/2011
Well shiver me timbers, imagine a Cons with a conscience. Need more people with guts to do whats right not what the party leader wants all the friggin time.
01:05 PM on 12/17/2011
Without expressing any opinion on The Honourable Mr. Nolin's position on the bill C-10, I rejoice that a senator, unelected member of the "chamber of sober second thought" in the words of Prime Minister Macdonald, raises his voice notwithstanding his party affiliation.
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Valerie Keefe
09:24 PM on 12/17/2011
That, of course, was the intention of The Other Place. It'd be nice if more Canadians realized it instead of thinking of it as the old party hacks' home.
12:03 PM on 12/17/2011
My favorite Conservative! I called senator Nolin 2 weeks ago and was very happy when I was informed that he would be publicly speaking out against the omnidumb crime bill, and fighting for ammendments in the senate.
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working onit
Stop Harper
12:38 PM on 12/17/2011
We need to let the Harper Gov't and especially our own MP's know Sen. Nolin has our support.

Sneaking regressive, controversial policies into omnibus bills does not serve society well. And will not serve the Cons well at the next election. An 'anybody but conservative' movement is needed to counter the undemocratic, heavy handed methods & policies of this government.

The online spying bill the Harper gang has in the wings sounds like an even scarier erosion of our basic rights and freedoms and an abuse of government against its own people.

I am very scared for the future if we fail to stand up against tyranny now. Four more years is too long to wait.
03:07 PM on 12/17/2011
Tyranny? I don't think the average Canadian even knows what a tyrant is.
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Scooterish
Please pass the meat!
11:47 AM on 12/17/2011
Hubba wha? There's a moderate in our midst? Love it!
BritishColumbian
American/Canadian liberal
10:11 AM on 12/17/2011
Although heartening that a Conservative is standing up for what he believes; however sad that it is an appointed Senator rather than an elected Conservative that has the spine to do so. When are some of these "sheep" going to break ranks with this gov't?
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Valerie Keefe
09:25 PM on 12/17/2011
When we start electing MPs who are willing to put principle above party, instead of punishing them for not being mindless delegates.
yer
Stop the Alberta Taliban
09:51 AM on 12/17/2011
whoa, a Quebec Conservative senator that makes sense and has a rational understanding of criminal justice in Canada?
09:35 AM on 12/17/2011
This bill ("The omnibus crime bill covers nine distinct pieces of legislation, and introduces mandatory minimum sentences for a number of new offences.") is, IMHO and experience, totally from pressure from the United States and in particular the current Secretary of State.

The Clinton's really believe in the mission of saving you from yourself and, looking at Bill's administration's actions (see HHS activities,) completely wrongheaded and stubborn on this issue as is the entire leadership of the US Democratic party (Barney Frank is practically the only exception.)

Of course a Republican party administration is opposed to marijuana as well, but they would not have gone to this extreme. Obama even brought in the IRS to fight state legal medical marijuana in this country. If, as many suspect, the increase in action has to do with controlling cannabis related profits for new classes of drugs on the near horizon--expect more and more nasty and aggressive action from this administration.