Christian Group Joins MP's Call For Abortion Debate

Abortion Canada Stephen Woodworth

First Posted: 01/04/12 06:15 PM ET Updated: 01/06/12 09:32 AM ET


A group representing evangelical Christians is backing a Conservative MP's call for a debate on the definition of a human, potentially kicking off a renewed debate on abortion in Canada.


Last month, Conservative MP Stephen Woodworth released a statement calling for a debate on when a fetus becomes a child, but avoided using the word "abortion" in the statement.


The Evangelical Fellowship of Canada agreed, saying the Criminal Code doesn't recognize a child in the womb as human even though doctors recognize a fetus's viability as early as 20 weeks gestation.


In an interview Wednesday with Evan Solomon, host of CBC-TV's Power & Politics, Woodworth, who represents Kitchener Centre, said the law defining a human being dates back to centuries-old English common law and Parliament has a responsibility to lead a debate on whether it's time to rewrite it.


"Our definition of human being says that a child does not become a human being until the moment of complete birth," he said.


A 1988 Supreme Court ruling that struck down Canada's abortion law left room for Parliament to decide whether a fetus should have legal protection and and how much is required, he said.


"I think Parliament has a duty to respond to that in a way which is based on up-to-date medical evidence and which is determined by appropriate principles of human rights," Woodworth said.


The Canadian Medical Association's policy on abortion is that the decision to end a pregnancy is a discussion between a patient and her doctor, and that abortions once a fetus is viable "may be indicated under exceptional circumstances." The association, which represents doctors, says there's no need to replace the section of the Criminal Code struck down by the Supreme Court in 1988.


Woodworth says he's considering whether to table a private member's bill, which would allow the House of Commons to debate the issue. Private members' bills rarely make it to the floor of the Commons for debate, never mind through Parliament, because they don't usually have the government's support.


Joyce Arthur, spokeswoman for the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada, says Woodworth wants to reopen the debate on abortion, whether or not he's talking about a discussion over what makes a human being.


"When the anti-abortion movement says they want to reopen the debate, it means they want to recriminalize abortion. That's really what it's about," she said.


"When you're talking about giving rights to fetuses, essentially, which is what they're talking about here, obviously that is going to impact abortion rights."


Don Hutchinson, spokesman for the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada, says since 1988, NDP, Conservative and Liberal MPs have raised the topic.


"Let's not pretend the debate has ever been closed on this issue," he said. I understand that Mr. Woodworth's intent and his action was to have Parliament study the specific sections of the Criminal Code that deal with the child in the womb … in the course of that study, there could well be conversation about Canada's abortion laws."


Discussion will draw 'lots of groups'


NDP MP Françoise Boivin says it's common for observers to jump into the discussion when any MP mentions starting a debate on abortion.


"It’s no surprise in a sense that with Woodworth opening the door, you will see a lot of groups just joining in. There’s a lot of people waiting for an opportunity to bring their theory on the subject," Boivin said.


The Supreme Court settled the issue in 1988, she said, and "you either believe it’s a woman’s choice or not."


"Some people believe [a fetus is] a baby and they would never go through with an abortion. That’s their choice — not mine, not yours, their choice."


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Willow2
An Old Bat who Follows Current Affairs
06:50 PM on 02/06/2012
My gawds! Leave this nosense in the United States. We do not want to import this across the border. Next we will have Stockwell Day demanding that we teach creationism in schools.
Stop this before we fall into the same tarpit as the Americans - PLEASE!!
05:32 PM on 02/06/2012
Bush ruined America in 8 years and Canada learned nothing ... those who voted for Harper and who also helped to put him in power by not voting for the opposition parties bear full responsibility for anointing NeoCons as Rulers in the Dominion of Canada. Our Rights will vaporize while they saddle us with more debt and Oilsands pollution.

A special thank you to Dion & Iggy as well ! /s
05:28 PM on 02/06/2012
I'd like to thank everyone who voted for Harper and who did not vote for the NDP or Liberals in this last election. As if 8 years of Bush in America wasn't enough of a lessen, you will see what happens when you give NeoCons control in Canada.
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greysells2
grey cells matter
09:16 AM on 01/09/2012
It is none of my business, nor is it any of yours, but especially, it is none of the business of the State what any woman, her partner and their physician determine what health care what is best for them.
02:24 PM on 01/07/2012
I was raised by my grandparents, nice staid old fashioned Christians. Until I grew up I thought very little about sex and babies but one thing i did learn was that if you don't want to get babies you don't do the thing which causes them.
We all need to examine our heads about this issue and see it for what it is because life begins when two cells split and begin the formation of the Zygote.
All that aside the issue is getting blown far too big and who is caring for the poor uneducated children who get pregnant because of religious banns against birth control?
I put this with the other boondoggles of the church. All sexist rhetoric to give the church more control over its flock and I am talking about all denominations, just look around you and you'll see how religion has shaped our education, dress codes and education to keep us all in line.
I'll just go and do penance now.
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The Canadian
Stop Harper
07:49 AM on 01/06/2012
Canada prides itself on being a defender of Human Rights on the world stage. But at home, not so much.

I cannot think of a more fundamental right than that of controlling your own body. And in fact, that's the reason you are allowed to refuse medical treatments, even if you would die without them. The flip side, of course, is that it's a right to seek a medical treatment that might save your life or health. It's your body, your life, your decision.

But the Conservatives want to strip away from women the fundamental right to control their body. It is particularly outrageous that some have proposed banning abortion even if the pregnancy could kill the mother. So in essence, these Conservatives are willing to inflict a potential death sentence on an unfortunate mother facing a risky pregnancy in order to force people to conform to their religious ideology. How is this legal or moral?

Make no mistake. I am absolutely not claiming that abortion is a human right. What I am saying is that it is a medical procedure, like any other, that should be available should a women decide that it is best choice for her health and future. It is her body, and therefore her right to decide what is best for it.

The abortion debate should never be reopened. The state or some religion has no business telling women they have no right to control their own bodies.
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The Canadian
Stop Harper
07:17 AM on 01/06/2012
The Conservatives call for a re-opening of the abortion debate, because all life is precious, except apparently in Iran, where Harper will be quite willing to order the bombs to rain down if Canada goes to war.
11:36 PM on 01/05/2012
Harper's repeatedly said he wasn't going anywhere near this stuff. But, control freak that he is, and majority in hand, for a member of the Harper caucus to lay down the ground fire, you just know that Harper's given him the nod to do so.
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haddanuff
Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
09:19 PM on 01/05/2012
Is that the same fetus, evangelical Rick Santorum, took home for his children to play with?
09:03 AM on 01/06/2012
Why do you hate so much?
03:23 PM on 01/07/2012
Rick Santorum's wife did have an emergency medical second trimester abortion when she was seriously ill. Now Rick Santorum would have legislation that would deny other women the same life-saving procedure. That's hypocrisy.

They took the fetus home in a jar to introduce it to their children and then slept with it in their room, before returning it to the hospital mortuary. That's just a little too creepy for most people.

Third, Rick Santorum has also said he would repeal Obamacare, including the part that actually allows his own family to get insurance for his youngest daughter who was born with an illness that will prove fatal. That's idiotic hypocrisy.
03:24 PM on 01/07/2012
And it's not a matter of hating Santorum.

It's a matter of wondering WTF he's thinking, if he actually is thinking at all.
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Jack Cox
Telling it like it is.
08:25 PM on 01/05/2012
I will never support this or anything the anti-choice movement stands for, we must stand firm against the chipping
away of a woman's right to choose.
09:03 AM on 01/06/2012
Perhaps she should choose not to get pregnant. Most people have been taught, with millions of tax dollars, how not to get pregnant.
12:10 PM on 01/06/2012
First, who CHOOSES an unwanted pregnancy? That's just silly. What you are really saying is that she chose to have sex. Oh, the NERVE of some people, to engage in behaviour that is natural to life on earth. Yes, as a result of being a sexual being, she should then be condemned to give birth against her will.

Most women seeking abortions WERE using birth control. And what about women who were either raped or at least coerced to have sex?

And then there are the women who wanted to be pregnant, but there is something very, very wrong with the fetus. The issue of what to do is particularly excruciating for these women. They certainly DON'T need to be judged by you.

Who died and put you in charge of decision making, anyway? It's the woman's decision, not yours. You don't get to force your ideas onto someone else.

And the government spends very little on GOOD, comprehensive sex ed, in part because the religious right blocks it from being taught in schools whenever they get the chance. Talk about hypocritical.
03:16 PM on 01/07/2012
I know several children who were conceived while their highly responsible parents were using birth control. In those cases, the parents were in a position to shrug and say "the more the merrier." Not everyone is in that position, particularly young couples struggling with part-time casual minimum wage jobs.

As well, when an abuse help line started keeping track, they found that about a third of women in abusive relationships had been forced to have sex without birth control, or had their birth control methods sabotaged -- pins through the condoms, pills hidden or flushed. Why? Because the men were trying to force the women to stay in the abusive relationship -- the pregnancy was a hostage taking.

Thirdly, many abortions are sought by women who have engaged in various risky behaviour -- drugs, alcohol and crime -- as well as unprotected sex. If a woman becomes pregnant under those conditions, the MOST responsible thing she can do is have an abortion rather than give birth to a kid with tragic developmental handicaps, or worse, keep it in an environment where it will be exposed to abuse, addictions and crime.

What bugs me the most are the people who are very big on punishing "bad girls" by making them have babies. They never care that the ones they are really punishing are the innocent children.
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tnanimation
04:21 PM on 01/05/2012
With Harper in power we'll be seeing a lot more coverage of this 'issue', and now that Huffpost Canada has become the official voice of the Tories we will no doubt be forced to view the disgusting photo of the 'fetus in palm of hand'.
09:01 AM on 01/06/2012
When did Huffpo become the Tory voice? You're not too bright.
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tnanimation
12:02 PM on 01/06/2012
Perhaps you'd care to rephrase your reply so that it is not in the form of a personal attack. Name calling does nothing to promote reasonable discourse. if you disagree, fine. If the best you have is to resort to juvenile replies then perhaps you don't belong at the big table.
06:14 PM on 02/06/2012
I have to continuously shim up the right side of my laptop because of the more numerous right wing bloggers.
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Mile End
Keep Church separate from State
03:37 PM on 01/05/2012
Given what religious extremists are legislating in the States these days, don't even let these people get a foothold in Canada. They won't be satisfied until not only abortion but also birth control is made illegal.
03:29 PM on 01/05/2012
I doubt very much that women are willing to take a step backwards and lose the rights they had to fight for tooth and nail for hundreds of years.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
01:48 PM on 01/05/2012
So I guess they'll take thier case to the new MInistry of Religious Freedom to sue the government to stop all funding for medical abortions.

Oh sneaky. Very sneaky.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
01:46 PM on 01/05/2012
Remember how the Conservatives told us they didn't want to reopen the abortion debate?
They lied.

Hate to say "I told ya so" but thats become something of a mantra of mine in the past three years of watching the machinations in Ottawa.