Paul Martin: Former Canadian PM Attacks Plans For Across-The-Board Cuts In Wake Of U.K. Report


First Posted: 01/13/12 08:43 AM ET Updated: 01/13/12 09:15 AM ET

The Conservative government is wrongheaded if it thinks general broad-based cuts will fix Canada’s economic woes, former Liberal prime minister Paul Martin says.

“I do not believe that cuts across the board of any percentage make any sense at all,” Martin said in an interview with The Huffington Post. “All that demonstrates is that you don’t have priorities.”

The Harper government is currently engaged in a deficit reduction plan that would see government departments and agencies slashed by 5 to 10 per cent.

Martin, who orchestrated deep cuts to government spending as finance minister in the 1990s, was trumpeting his record after a British think tank urged the U.K. government to follow Canada’s example by cutting deeper to achieve higher growth and a lower national debt.

In a report published Friday, the Centre For Policy Studies says Canada’s “successful program of spending cuts” — slashing 9.7 per cent of government spending in two years — helped Canada’s economy take off.

Authors Brian Lee Crowley and Tim Knox suggest lessons learned from Canada’s experience: the need for bold leadership, no ring-fencing of departments and cutting specific programs rather than spending levels across the board.

“A 5 per cent across-the-board cut will not have a lasting impact,” they warned.

While the federal Liberals imposed cuts in nearly every sector, Martin said, his government did it “as a way of strengthening government by focusing on our priorities.”

The only area spared from the axe was spending on Aboriginal Peoples, he said, but even they saw their spending capped.

Martin told HuffPost he spent lots of time on the road and meeting with fellow caucus members in small groups to sell them on the coming spending cuts. Having the party and Candians buy into the cuts was necessary, he said.

“My argument was not, I’m doing this to please the markets, my argument was that we’re doing this to preserve our social programs. That if we don’t do this now, these social programs will go to the waste basket,” he said. “You may say cutting health care, cutting education, you may wonder how that preserves them. Well, what it does is that it’s a heck of a lot better to cut them a little bit now and to increase them later than to find yourself in a situation such as Greece subsequently found itself, where in fact, you can’t hold on to anything.”

The massive cuts were sold as one shot of bad medicine, Martin said. “My commitment to (Canadians) was that we are going to do it once and we are going to solve the problem. That is asboslutely crucial,” he said. “If you ask people to sacrifice and then you find out that sacrifice has been in vain, then you’re in trouble.”

The former Liberal finance minister and prime minister said he was convinced that there would be a sucession of financial crises and that he had wanted to protect Canada from any future shocks.

“It wasn’t enough to simply eliminate the deficit. I wanted to start building substantial surpluses, which we did. We wanted to have the ability to stimulate our economy without going back into deficit,” he said.

But, according to Martin, the current Government has squandered the Liberals’ gift of government surpluses early in its mandate.

“I don’t want to be partisan here but the new Government who took over from us, one of the first things they did was to wipe out our surplus. That’s before the recession hit. Consequently, they didn’t have room to move. The new Government went into deficit in Canada before the recession hit, which was a major mistake.”

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Donna Meness
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11:30 AM on 01/15/2012
Harper's brand as Conservative leader has been unmistakable and different from almost any previous federal government in many ways:

It is Canada's first Western government, driven by Western Canadian interests, principally but not solely the Alberta oil industry. As a result of these loyalties, Harper's party has made Canada the world's leading foot-draggers on environmental protection and world action on climate change.
The evangelical populist Christian right is Harper's other main stream of core support. Although Harper likes to portray himself as an "economic conservative", rather than a social one, his caucus has Western evangelicals in many top staff positions and is in constant coordination with many others such as top corporate lobbyist Ken Boessenkool.

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/740337--boom-times-for-pmo-s-god-squad
http://www.harperindex.ca/ViewArticle.cfm?Ref=0062

Shrinking the role of government has always been a main tenet of belief for Harper, whose repeated cuts to corporate taxation have left the government without revenue to invest in national programs.

A highlight of Harper's early political career was being co-author of the notorious 2001 "Alberta firewall" letter which urged Alberta to beef up its fight with Ottawa by building a "firewall" around itself and take greater control over its own affairs.

In keeping with his long-held philosophies, he made sure that his reluctantly-offered stimulus package made no commitments to ongoing programs or funding.

http://www.harperindex.ca
01:04 PM on 01/15/2012
LOL - piles of lefty pap
Donna Meness
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01:39 PM on 01/15/2012
A problem is many in North America praise the word “Capitalism” and demonize the word ” Socialism”.In practice Socialism has more relation to free markets than Capitalism.

Free market:

A free market economy encourages competition, productivity, wealth and a rising standard of living. In a free market system there will be modest profits, not massive profits. When a certain business becomes very profitable, competition will move in and lower profits.

Capitalism:
A capitalist system, on the other hand, encourages the centralization of wealth and power into gigantic corporations that have the power to control/lobby/bribe/corrupt governments. Large corporations have the power to force governments to deregulate, privatize, lower corporate taxes and sometimes regulate in order to create monopolies or oligopolies. The goal of capitalism is to create monopolies and oligopolies. Monopolies make gigantic profits even if they are inefficient. A few monopolies can be tolerated in a society but they need to be highly regulated and too many will weaken the entire economic system because of their parasitic nature.

We have a capitalist system in North America, not a free market system.
They are not the same thing.

The free enterprise system was a good idea – it rewarded hard work and ingenuity. But rich people who were stupid and lazy wanted in, so they invented capitalism.

Capitalism sucks.

We have Private Banksters which control the Federal Reserve
We have Wall Street Gangsters which create fianancial bubbles
We have lobbyist which control our governments.
Donna Meness
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11:23 AM on 01/15/2012
“The government seems unwilling to make any commitment to work with the provinces to develop a poverty elimination plan for Canadians,” said Citizens for Public Justice, a faith-based network of 1,500 people dedicated to creating a society in which everyone can live in dignity.
“What we got from the government of Canada was: Get a Job,” said a bitter Tony Dolan, who chairs the Council of Canadians with Disabilities, many of whose members can’t work.
Worse still, the Senate report concluded that, far from lifting people out of poverty, many of our existing programs are so badly designed that they hold people down.

http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/SEN/Committee/402/citi/rep/rep02dec09-e.pdf
Donna Meness
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11:23 AM on 01/15/2012
Ottawa’s display of indifference came at a disheartening time for the 3.4 million Canadians living in poverty.
The government delivered its response in October 2010 to the Senate’s 2009 report, In From the Margins: A Call to Action on Poverty, Housing and Homelessness.
It rejected every one of the report’s 74 recommendations. It ignored the senators’ evidence that Ottawa is spending $150 billion a year on social programs that merely perpetuate poverty. It concluded with these all-too-familiar words: “The best long-term strategy to fight poverty is the sustained employment of Canadians.”
The glimmer of hope that anti-poverty activists, people with disabilities and overburdened charities had nursed since last December when the Senate’s social affairs committee released its comprehensive plan to eradicate poverty, went out.
“The government has turned its back on low-income people in Canada,” said Campaign 2000, a national coalition of children’s advocates that has been working for 19 years to keep Parliament’s resolution to end child poverty by the year 2000 on the national agenda.

next..
Donna Meness
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11:20 AM on 01/15/2012
Harper's own words from a speech he made back in 1997, you can see how his mind and his largely 'New Republican' Tory party works . .

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SpecialEvent7/20051213/elxn_harper_speech_text_051214/

"Whether Canada ends up as one national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion… And whether Canada ends up with one national government or two governments or ten governments, the Canadian people will require less government no matter what the constitutional status or arrangement of any future country may be."

Steve Harper. Speech to the Colin Brown Memorial Dinner, National Citizens Coalition, 1994

"There is a continental culture. There is a Canadian culture that is in some ways unique to Canada, but I don't think Canadian culture coincides neatly with borders." Steve Harper. Report Newsmagazine January 7, 2002

I think that Canadians have a right to know what Stephen Harper was up to when forming his Reform/Alliance Party (now calling themselves Conservatives).

http://pushedleft.blogspot.com/2009/09/time-to-jump-in-stephen-harper-and-neo.html
Donna Meness
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11:14 AM on 01/15/2012
GrantJonasson previously stated: Look at the budget: for this current budget and the next 5, the total deficit is approximately $155 billion dollars, and by the 7th fiscal a $4.2 billion surplus.

Interesting it was not mentioned in any of the articles.

That would be a 27.5% increase to the current debt.

In 10 years or so we'll have a trillion dollar debt.

Too big for a country our size.
Donna Meness
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10:47 AM on 01/15/2012
Here is what we got from Harper

1) He blows a 13 Billion Dollar Surplus in 2 years.
2) Makes a law that the government must serve its term so that it cannot call snap elections when it is favourable to them. Then he breaks his own law and calls an election. An illegal 300 million dollar election.
3) He tried to ban people from being abl...e to go on strike.
4) He tried to remove funding for the opposition.
5) Harper campaigns heavily that the liberals are trying to take seniors hard earned money and tax them. After the election he taxes them. (Taxing income trusts)
6) Harper often critized the undemocratic nature of the Senate. ("disgraceful, undemocratic appointment of undemocratic Liberals to the undemocratic Senate to pass all too often undemocratic legislation." ) only to appoint 38 to the senate and use it to kill a bill passed by the ELECTED parliament. Without even a debate.Reply.

What You see is what you get
Donna Meness
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10:46 AM on 01/15/2012
It's official. Stephen Harper's government has managed to out-do Pierre Trudeau, and take the crown as the biggest deficit spender in Canadian history.

Clocking in at an impressive $55.6 billion, the Harper government has single-handedly managed to inflate the size of the Federal government since taking office in 2006, by approximately 50%.

Remember: conservatives warned us that we had to dispose of the out-of-control spending of previous Liberal governments, which delivered eleven years of balanced budgets, reducing Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio from almost 90% down below 50%.

Stephen Harper and Flaherty have managed to increase Canada's Debt-to-GDP ratio back up to about 80%, erasing almost a decade of debt repayment."
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02:12 PM on 01/15/2012
stop please
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Got smart & got out!
10:58 PM on 01/16/2012
Don't shoot the messenger, refute the argument..............SOF.
Donna Meness
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10:45 AM on 01/15/2012
Economic benefits are going to the rich, the bailed outed industries from harpers government include :

Pharma -- 55 million doses for 35 million people, then the price for each doubles.
Construction -- harpers Action plan
Auto -- need I say anything here
Security -- yes the G8 / 20 was well spent money, then the owelympics of another billion
Military -- extend the afgan mission, buy jets, now Libya
Banks -- 125 billion, pretending that the CMHC backed loans off their books is not a bailout
Advertising -- well we all see harpers ads daily now
Telecommunications -- billions spent, yet we still have poor service and outrageous rates
Donna Meness
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10:44 AM on 01/15/2012
Royal Bank 5.2 Billion income in 2010 compared with 3.9 billion last year.

CIBC 2.5 Billion income in 2010 compared to 1.2 billion last year.

TD Bank at least 4.6 Billion in 2010 compared to 3.1 billion last year.

Scotiabank 4.2 Billion in 2010 compared to 3.5 billion last year.

BMO 2.8 billion in 2010 compared to 1.7 billion last year.

Bank profits at 19b, a 44% increase in 2010, and year on year of record profits, compared to the year before in 2009- another record profit, and in 2008, which was also a record profit.

We will have a ~55 Billion fiscal deficit , AND a forthcoming corporate tax cut. So that's AT LEAST $1666 for every Canadian, or $2500 for every working Canadian, or about $4422 for each Canadian household. (To the 'average' Canadian, its 1+ month of adult work, and for the richest in our country it is about 5 and half hours minus lunch.) CEO pay has increased in several years, and unemployment has increased during from 6>7.5>8.7% in the last two years.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
09:52 AM on 01/15/2012
Another interesting point in the Standing Committee’s report was:

“Gilbert Whiteduck of Québec’s First Nations Education Council told us that the 2002 Minister’s National Working Group on Education “concluded there were 6,000 reports on First Nations education in this country”. In his view, “It is now time to stop studying the issue and take action, by developing specific programs. … [W]e should really be thinking of the young people who no longer have any hope, and yet would like to make a positive contribution to Canadian society in their own culture.”

http://scienceadvocacy.org/Blog/2011/11/23/more-on-aboriginal-education-in-canada/

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http://www.cprn.org/documents/51980_EN.pdf

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http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2011/03/22/aboriginal-students-see-subtantial-increase-in-cliches/

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http://www.abo-peoples.org/CAP/Media/chief/Education.pdf

BTW: It was the Liberals who imposed a 2% CAP in 1996...

http://www.afn.ca/uploads/files/election/20110415_assembly_of_first_nations_response_ndp_final.pdf

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http://www.psac-afpc.com/issues/campaigns/aboriginal/educationfunding-e.shtml
Donna Meness
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Donna Meness
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Donna Meness
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09:38 AM on 01/15/2012
see page 12:
http://www.cmec.ca/Publications/Lists/Publications/Attachments/221/aboriginal_summit_report.pdf

StrengtheningAboriginal Success:Moving Toward Learn Canada 2020

© 2010 Council of Ministers of Education, Canada

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CMEC Summit on Aboriginal Education: Summary Report. Strengthening ..... support has been capped since 1996 at an increase of 2 per cent per year. ...

http://educationisaright.ca/en/section/11

Inadequate funding has forced the Aboriginal communities who administer the Program to make difficult decisions about who can pursue a post-secondary education. It is estimated that between 2001 and 2006, underfunding resulted in over 10,500 students being denied access to post-secondary education, with an additional 2,588 in 2007 alone. This lack of resources has left Aboriginal students particularly vulnerable to tuition and ancillary fee increases. While increases in funding for the PSSSP have been capped at two percent per year, tuition fees increased by upwards of seven percent per year, and have more than doubled since the introduction of the cap in 1997.

In addition, non-Status First Nations and Métis peoples are currently not eligible for funding through the PSSSP, leaving many without the financial resources necessary to pursue post-secondary education.Regardless of their place of residence, the majority of Aboriginal graduates return to work in their communities and are employed in their field of study, achieving economic self-reliance and helping to develop healthy and stable communities.
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
01:20 AM on 01/15/2012
Mind you People should look at the broader picture.. & follow up on what the IMF marching orders to the worlds' gov'ts at the G8/G20 ..

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-austerity-program.htm
http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/2166
Donna Meness
www.findmaisyandshannon.com
12:36 AM on 01/15/2012
The subtext to the campaign is to sell Canadians on the idea that deficits are unimportant, that government's primary function is to spend your money to create jobs. These propaganda buys do not point out that 'stimulus' spending is achieved with massive deficits that you, the taxpayer, must repay one day thorough inflation, or increased taxes, or reduced services, or a degraded monetary system and other calamites we have yet to experience.

Meanwhile, a huge amount of taxpayer money is flowing to a cash strapped corporate media for this propaganda barrage. This largesse of advertising dollars is both a taxpayer bailout of Canwest-Global, CBC, and CTV and a bribe to the corporate media to mute its criticism of the Tory government. Criticize too loudly and the rich flow of government advertising can arbitrarily be cut at a time when private business has dramatically cut advertising.

$20 billion of the $30 billion in stimulus spending is in the form of tax credits for businesses and individuals. The most popular is the 'home renovation tax credit'. Fix up your old home and you could get up to $4,500 refunded. Who tends to vote Conservative in elections? Rural homeowners. Renters, students, urban condominium owners (whose new property requires few upgrades), single people, and couples without children tend to vote NDP, Liberal or Green and cannot use this tax credit nearly as much as families with kids who put a lot of wear-and-tear on their home.
Donna Meness
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12:35 AM on 01/15/2012
Conservative ridings are receiving a far greater percentage of the pork than Liberal, NDP, or Bloc Quebecois ridings. In Nova Scotia, Tory ridings received 42% more on average than NDP or Liberal ridings.

In Quebec, the 10 Conservative ridings have received 62% more per riding than if the money spent in Quebec under Canada's Economic Action Plan were evenly divided up. Many Montreal-area ridings with Bloc or Liberal MP's received just one project with miniscule funding.

In the backhanded tribute to an Ontario decimated by recession, it became the leading pork recipient. Ontario got 54% of the total stimulus spending (with 39% of the population), again weighed in Conservative ridings.

The 51 Tory ridings received on average $2.1 million in make-work, NDP ridings receiving $1.86 million average and $1.36 million average to the Liberal ridings.

Harper's government so far has refused to even issue a list of all the federal projects and what ridings have received what money, despite the promise of one. The Prime Minister was on TV with a straight face defending the partisan pork: "Conservative MP's have been working very hard, obviously, in many cases securing projects for their ridings. I would encourage the other parties to work equally hard."

Accompanying this giant handout of cash - and consequent national debt - to impress voters with their own tax money is a national advertising campaign costing over $35 million, extolling 'Canada's Economic Action Plan'
Donna Meness
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12:34 AM on 01/15/2012
Originally, Reform understood "Pork".

Any benefit to transfer payments is illusory. It is the transfer of income from genuine market-created productive jobs, where real wealth is created, to those not working at all or to industries or activities that can't be sustained without continual infusions of welfare/stimulus payments, courtesy of the expensive and inefficient hand of government. No doubt the recipients of these taxpayer-funded handouts are grateful, but what is required is genuine opportunity; these supplicant populations should migrate to where the market-created jobs are. Instead, high taxes and expensive government stifle the wealth creators. Their ability to reinvest in their successful endeavors is hobbled by the transfer of their good money to bad places, where little authentic growth (through market choices) is possible by persons and industries that receive these stimulus dollars (known as 'Pork', 'Boondoggles', 'quangoes', and 'bringing home the bacon') who become dependent on these continual infusions and the political collusion that makes them possible.

Instead of investing in market-motivated growth, these patronized industries become experts in extracting taxpayer largesse out of the political system through political donations, kickbacks, bribery and lobbying.

Harper is delivering the pork in a way that ought to make his former mentor, Reform founder Preston Manning, cringe.
Donna Meness
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01:13 AM on 01/15/2012
Canadians

Don't forget DIAND's LTR..Indian monies held " in trust" ahem,,cough..cough

How Canada developed a nest egg or GNP - I''ll give you one hint..

MacDonald breaks treaty+ 5 million+ the Indian Act + Reserves+ sub soil natural resource revenue= LRT & monies held in trust by DIAND

Here is some research on Lands/Trust/ Revenue (LRT)

"First Nation bands are asking the federal government to explain what happen to more than $10 billion in trust accounts managed by the federal government on behalf of aboriginal people.

Indian trust accounts are a little known aspect of federal responsibility and the court actions from across the country, turn the tables on the financial accountability issue.

Instead of questioning Aboriginal leadership about federal funding, Ottawa is now being asked to be fiscally responsible and Ottawa's management practices are also being scrutinized

The lawsuits are based on six court actions since 1996 from across the country. One is for First Nations bands and usually involves a band's revenues from land transactions or oil and royalties.
It's a major concern," said Dennis Whitebird, a regional chief with the Assembly of First Nations.

http://chiefs-of-ontario.org/PageContent/Default.aspx?SectionHeadlineID=153

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Office of the Auditor General of Canada

see: Management of Indian Moneys

http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/English/parl_oag_198611_11_e_4202.html

it's gotten worse Sheila Fraser says..
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02:16 PM on 01/15/2012
go away please....