Recession In Canada? Economists Say No, But Good Reason To Believe Otherwise

Canada Recession

First Posted: 01/15/12 06:10 AM ET Updated: 01/18/12 12:54 PM ET

OTTAWA - Is Canada in a recession? A majority of Canadians think so. The data and economists say otherwise.

The issue arose when pollster Michael Marzolini of Pollara reported to the Economic Club recently that an astounding 70 per cent of Canadians felt the R-word applied to today's economy, and a similar number thought the downturn would last at least another year.

The finding was immediately scoffed at by economists and policy-makers who pointed out that the recession officially ended two and a half years ago, in the summer of 2009. Since then, except for a brief skid in the second quarter of 2011, the economy has been growing steadily.

Numbers don't lie, they say. Hardly a day goes by when Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty — among other government ministers — don't trumpet the fact that Canada has created more than 600,000 new jobs since the slump, much more than the 400,000 or so that were lost.

So why do Canadians feel so poorly?

The main reason is that Canadians likely perceive what is a recession differently than economists, and if numbers don't lie, they can be selective.

The technical definition of recession is when real, inflation-adjusted gross domestic product — the broad measure of economic output — falls in back-to-back quarters. That happened in the fourth quarter of 2008 and the first two quarters of 2009 — a nine month retreat.

But real GDP doesn't tell the whole story, or even the most important story about an economy's health.

Real GDP adjusts for inflation, but not for population. That means a country's economy can be growing simply because the population is rising, and Canada's population increases about one per cent a year. Similarly, residents of a country such as Japan with a declining population, become richer even when their economy is not growing.

Canada's economic performance looks different when population growth is factored out.

By that measure, Canada's per-capita GDP is still 1.4 per cent below what it was prior to the recession, more than three years ago.

"To most people, real GDP doesn't really matter, what matters is per capita income," said Craig Alexander, chief economist with the TD Bank.

Canadians are not doing so well on the issue of net worth, either. While slightly higher, household net worth is below 2008 levels once inflation is taken into account, and income growth has also fallen below the rate of inflation this past year. That means Canadians are poorer and their disposable income is now declining.

"Canadians are looking at things like grocery costs, fuel costs, housing costs, user fees, less net incomes," Pollara chief operating officer Robert Hutton said of his firm's polling results.

"People are just reporting overwhelmingly, 'You know I'm not getting ahead, at best I'm staying even.' "

Perhaps the most trumpeted statistic purportedly showing how well Canada has rebounded is jobs.

The Pollara poll shows Canadians aren't buying it, however. Every week they read about factories shutting down, layoffs, or companies demanding workers accept wage cuts. Last week Toronto's Pearson airport sent out pink slips to 299 workers, on the heels of other layoffs in the city and streamlining of drug research operations in Montreal.

Anecdotal events may impact the perception of bad times, but the macro numbers — if the right ones are cited — also point to weak labour conditions.

The simple calculation is that employment in Canada is about 182,000 above pre-slump levels. That looks great when measured against the U.S., which is still six million shy. And it looks good compared to 2008, as well.

But the fly in the ointment again is population. More Canadians came of working age in the past three years, and immigrants kept arriving — they too are looking for work. To return to pre-slump levels of employment, the economy would have needed to generate an additional 750,000 jobs beyond the pre-slump peak, not merely 182,000.

Canadian Auto Workers economist Jim Stanford, who has studied the jobs record extensively, says the telling statistic is the employment rate, which calculates people working in relation to those of working age, or over 15.

The employment rate peaked in February 2008 at 63.8 per cent, dipped to 61.3 per cent in July 2009 at the tail end of the recession, then climbed to 61.8 in the next year. It has since edged down to 61.7, and is still more than two percentage points below the pre-slump high.

"That means we've fixed one-fifth of the damage, and fourth-fifths of the damage is still with us. That's why it still is recessionary conditions," said Stanford.

Adding to the perception of gloom, said Alexander, is that in many cases people who lost jobs in the recession were not the people who found jobs in the recovery. Most lost jobs were in high-paying manufacturing industries, and most of those created have come in lower-paying service industries.

That does not mean Canadians are right that the country is in recession, however. Even Stanford will acknowledge that.

The confusion stems from the official definition of recession and what Canadians think it is. For most people, recession is a description of a bad economy; for statisticians, it's simply the direction the economy is moving.

Philip Cross, chief economic analyst for Statistics Canada and the person who declares the country in or out of recession, admits he gets grief every time he pronounces the country out of a slump.

"Invariably when we say the recession is over, I get a great deal of abuse because people say the level of economic activity is still rotten," he explained.

"When we say the recession is over, what we're saying is the period of things getting worse by the day is over. The level of economic activity could still be unacceptable, but at least you are going in the right direction, rather than the wrong direction."

Canadians may be confused about the definition of recession, agrees Stanford, but they are correct in thinking they are still worse off than they were three years ago.

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  • 1. RISING HOUSEHOLD DEBT

    Canada's household debt burden climbed to yet another record high in the third-quarter, prompting Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney to call it <a href="http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Mark+Carney+again+sounds+alarm+rising+Canadian+household+debt/5856418/story.html" target="_hplink">"the greatest risk to the domestic economy</a>." At 150.8, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/14/us-economy-debt-idUSTRE7BC2DY20111214" target="_hplink">Canada's debt-to-income ratio is now higher than in the U.S. or the U.K</a>. Meanwhile, household net worth fell, which, as many observers have warned, has made Canadians more vulnerable to adverse economic shocks.

  • 2. SLUGGISH CONSUMER DEMAND

    Though BMO's Doug Porter maintains that low interest rates and modest job growth should prevent household debt issue from becoming "a clear and present danger to the outlook in the year ahead," he predicts that the debt burden is likely to increase. Unlike in the U.S., Canada's consumer recession was "very mild," leaving scant room for growth in consumer spending, he says. "At best, we see consumer spending growing in line with income next year," he said. "We've actually pegged it a little bit below income growth next year ... at less than two per cent in 2012." (FREDERIC J. BROWN/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 3. EUROZONE INSTABILITY

    When TD cut its 2012 outlook for the Canadian economy earlier this week to 1.7 per cent, the bank cited a deepening fiscal crisis in the eurozone as one of the primary factors. More bearish than BMO, which on Thursday held its expectation for Canada's GDP growth next year at two per cent, TD is forecasting "a deterioration of financial conditions and a significant European recession in the first half of next year." "<a href="http://www.td.com/document/PDF/economics/qef/qefdec11_can.pdf" target="_hplink">A deepening recession in the region will exert a significant drag on the global economy</a>," the bank maintained. "Canada will be negatively impacted through weaker commodity prices, confidence and export growth. Labour markets will also soften as a result." (ERIC FEFERBERG/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 4. CHINA LOSING STEAM

    The signs are abundant that the world's largest economy is cooling. Mounting local government debt and slowdowns in everything from industrial production to <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2011/12/09/china-economy-slows.html" target="_hplink">the housing market has led many to predict softer economic growth in 2012</a>. "<a href="http://www.npr.org/2011/12/13/143623874/after-boom-chinas-property-market-heads-lower" target="_hplink">Real estate is a locomotive industry that leads at least 58 other industries</a>," Cai Weimin, who runs a real estate think tank in Shanghai, told NPR. "Doomsday probably won't come true in 2012, but for the Chinese economy, 2012 will be a very tough year. (Aaron tam/AFP/Getty Images)

  • 5. GROWING INCOME GAP

    As Canada's rich-poor divide widens, some experts warn that the concentration of wealth at the top of the income distribution and stagnating wages for everyone else could be a drag on the economy. Though Canada's income gap is not as pronounced as in the U.S., Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives economist Armine Yalnizyan argues that the growing divide is bad for business all the same. <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/mind-the-gap" target="_hplink"><strong>Mind The Gap: Our examination of Canada's growing income divide</strong></a> "<a href="http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/39123--inequality-is-bad-for-business" target="_hplink">Real growth in purchasing power has been restricted to a small fraction of Canadian consumers</a> in what is already a small market," she maintained in an op-ed in Canadian Business magazine. "Throttling aggregate demand slows the economy for everyone." Anne Golden, president and CEO of the Conference Board of Canada, echoes this sentiment. "Growing inequality distorts consumer patterns," she told The Huffington Post in a recent interview. "Most businesses, except maybe for Porsche [dealerships], rely on rising purchasing power of the many, not the few, to deliver growth and profits." (ADRIAN DENNIS/AFP/Getty Images)

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08:46 PM on 01/15/2012
So, why does the media continue to follow the economists? If other factors affect the health of the economy other than gdp growth then why not re-define recession using real income growth/decline as the deciding factor. Also, we need to face the truth about the growth that the politicians are crowing about; it is very highly leveraged- i.e. we are showing growth largely because consumers are going further and further in debt.Big corporations are accommodating the need to finance more and more-remember when auto financing carried a common term of 36/48 months; then 60/72 months, and now 96 MONTHS. People are swallowing this stuff not realizing that payments like these mean that they are paying nearly double the current cash sale price for their auto purchase.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
04:20 PM on 01/15/2012
I don't think these "economists" ever walk the streets. Since Christmas, 12 long established businesses have closed their doors on West Fourth Avenue here in Vancouver. In reality, we are still in the recession/depression that began in 2008. Granted, government stimulus funding mitigated it to a certain extent, but the money has run out. Already, house prices are in decline.
Cash is still "king."
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Eric Burke
04:49 PM on 01/15/2012
The say we gained 600,000 jobs and lost 400,000 jobs but reality is we lost 400,000 $20-$30/hr jobs and gained 600,000 $12/hr jobs. Everyone is worrying more about necessities and there budget then they are about going out and spending.
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gravescanada
07:32 AM on 01/16/2012
You speak the truth! My wife, with her Associates degree in Medical Administration and 18 years of experience cannot find a job in her field. All these junk schools like Medixschool or Everest giving out crap diplomas have flooded her market. So now, what was a 18-22 dollar an hour job has become a 12 dollar an hour job. Just wait and see how this impacts healthcare. We are in a race to the bottom in Canada, just as they are in the USA. See our Politicians say we have to be able to compete with the other players in the Global Economy, what they really mean is our workers will have to settle for crap wages and minimal if any benefits, otherwise our jobs go overseas or down south.
01:07 PM on 01/15/2012
Of course, the so-called elephant in the room of Canadian economic activity is the Athabaska Tar Sands. Lots of multi-billion-dollar-plus development, and the pump-me-up oil-driven Canadian looney rides up and down like a duck on a storm-tossed lake, slavishly tied to the pricing of world oil markets. Does this sound healthy?

A high dollar may be good for some consumer items, but it's murder on exports (excluding oil) and good-paying industrial jobs. Why do you think the auto industry has lost so many jobs in Canada? Any expansion announced by auto makers today seems to be happening in America, due to Canada's uncompetitive dollar. No wonder people not part of the tar sands boom feel left out of the "good times".

Of course, for the Reform Party (let's call a spade a spade), oil-driven, Alberta-based growth is to be supported above all. As for the industrial heartland in Quebec and Ontario, well, you fat-cat factory workers just have to take a haircut if you want to keep your jobs. Want to keep building locomotives in London? Take a pay cut of 50% - you've been overpaid for decades and need to "adjust" to the new reality.

Just four more years before Canadians get to have a vote in the matter....
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
04:25 PM on 01/15/2012
Well said!! Setting aside its current and future negative environmental consequences, Canada cannot survive and prosper as a "one trick pony," i.e., the Alberta tar/bitumen sands.
Canadians must rid themselves of the 19th century throwback Harperites. The good news is that Harper is his own worst enemy.
10:49 PM on 01/15/2012
Thank you for the chuckle this evening. You'll have 4 long years to provide us all with continued "awareness" of the evil Harper Empire and those ridiculous oil sands that give so many people jobs...all in an area smaller than cape canaveral.
12:30 PM on 01/15/2012
Globalization and free trade are major factors. Because; 1) the corrupt USA regulators, stupidly allowed the financial institutions to speculate in the commodities markets and; 2) the bursting of the housing bubble had the banksters looking for more profitable ways to fleece the sheeple and 3) the US Federal Reserve Bank's QE1&2 increased the US money supply to the banksters, a lot of money was moved into speculation in the commodities markets with the consequence that just about everything we need (food, fuel, metals, cotton) got much more expensive. Thanks to globalization and free trade, we are all paying (and a few are benefiting from) these artificially inflated prices.

Naturally of course, food and fuel prices aren't a part of the inflation figures so while the numbers say we aren't in a recession, the reality for most of is that we are.
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dread
11:54 AM on 01/15/2012
It all depends on where you work. If you are in the private sector, we are in a recession. If you are a Government employee, no recession, as is well.
11:40 AM on 01/15/2012
don't know what the anwer is ..but all facet's of life have to change .. government workers have to expect less.visavi pensions wages .public have to expect less visavi services ..and corporations have to help out with more goodwill visavi taxes and reasonable profits. then call me when this type of world will ever exsist... maybe never.
10:55 AM on 01/15/2012
canadas growth is an illusion -----fuelled by increasing sales of tar sand products to the US -----

when that levels off, the real picure will emerge --
10:28 AM on 01/15/2012
I don't know about the rest out there but this family will not be making any purchases and it's not because we are in the lower income bracket . No new car , no new furniture, no new toys . We have had enough of corporations expecting to pay low wages , and then expecting the rest to buy their products . We have had enough of paying more and more taxes because corporations don't wish to help and drive wages down so that more of us can't contribute . We will live simple , pay down our mortgage . And if any of our services increase in price we are going to immediatly cancel the service .
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turkeylurky
Just keepin it real........
11:11 AM on 01/15/2012
Most of the stuff, (cars, toys, furniture, appliances, etc) you and I buy come from China or other Asian countries (mainly because we don't make anything anymore) and the corporations in those countries do pay low wages - but I don't quite get the connection between you paying "more and more taxes" because these corporations "don't wish to help" and "drive wages down so that more of us can't contribute". Why would you expect Asian corporations to help us?
Or are you one of the few consumers still buying domestic goods? Oh, I forgot, - you mentioned that you've stopped buying stuff.
11:45 AM on 01/15/2012
Taxes are collected to support the country , building roads , prisions , military jets , etc . etc . Corporations are paying less taxes . Incomes are on the decline so more of us are paying less taxes . Those of us with the better incomes will be targeted for more tax revenue . Why is this so hard to comprehend . Why is EI and CPP increasing . Because more of use are not earning enough to pay sufficiently into it , or more of us are unemployed . What does ASIA have to do with it . It's about you and I . Its about tax revenue and where it's going to come from in the future .
11:23 AM on 01/15/2012
Ceasing to buy goods? So you'll stop grocery shopping, paying for gas, paying fees, your bills ect. All of your money goes to a corporation in one form or another. It isn't the problem of all corporations. I wish people would stop blaming big business and capitalism.
11:49 AM on 01/15/2012
Common sense here . I obviously need to purchase groceries . Where do you believe tax revenue will come from in the future . Its not going to come from corporations and it's not going to come from low paying jobs . Its going to come from those of us left with half decent wages . There will be fewer of us so we will be targeted for more of it .
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
10:17 AM on 01/15/2012
Stop making stuff up, all the people I know are not worried at all, my wife and I, and our friends still do the thing we enjoyed all these years, Golf, skeet, trap, going to the summer home, fishing, hunting, vacation in Cuba, Dominican, and the traditional nutcracker for Christmas and other ballet and movies and the usual outings.

Where do you guys come up with this stuff?
10:20 AM on 01/15/2012
So, if you and your friends can do all those things, then everyone else should be able to, right?
What colour is the sky in your world?
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
10:22 AM on 01/15/2012
It's called planning, you plan your future, you succeed , as simple as that.
11:21 AM on 01/15/2012
Just because you're not feeling the weight doesn't mean other Canadians aren't...
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Aneesia
10:06 AM on 01/15/2012
Cross over to Detroit...look at a real recession...which was totally avoidable. However Congress took Corporate $$ to send jobs overseas for cheap labor...and of course Wall Street was a major contributor to the fiasco as well...which just shows that crime pays !
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
10:05 AM on 01/15/2012
One thing is for sure, Jim "the doom and gloom" finance minister hasn't said anything good in the last two years. CPP isn't adequate. People don't save enough for their pensions, too many older people are carrying debt, credit card balances have too much debt, banks encourage borrowing by offering deep mortgage cuts with special rules, people getting laid off, bitter contract negotiations, government interference with national negotiations, cuts in budgets, and pay roll taxesa long with bracket creep. Jim's not helping the Canadian citizen and the Conservative governemtn are only helping themselkves and their friends.
10:00 AM on 01/15/2012
Move to where the jobs are.
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patrickwwalker
10:44 AM on 01/15/2012
So says a dirt boiler. What a fantastic career. Boiling dirt or providing basic services to those that ... boil dirt.
01:15 PM on 01/15/2012
Relocation sounds so easy when Albertans say it. I guess that if the only facet that counts in your life is how much money you bring in, then moving to where the money is makes sense. My small town is struggling. There's just not enough work to go around. As a result, my family is struggling professionally. But we are not going to just dump our chosen home to bring our family to the tar sands. We have so many friends and family and supports in this town. To leave them all and go to the Tar Sands just makes no sense.

So, when people like you see prosperity in your own backyard, you couldn't imagine that other parts of the country are struggling. You just shrug it off and say, "move to where the jobs are," not taking into account the hardships faced by migrant workers.

Beyond that, do some research on the "Okies" of the Great Recession. Migrant workers devalued local labour and were told to keep moving. Could "Newfies" be the new "Okies", and what would that mean when there are more workers than work in Alberta. There is not enough work in Alberta to employ all of the downtrodden of Canada.
09:15 AM on 01/15/2012
Ah, the Stephen Harper miracle. He wants more austerity and more poverty on top of that. No surprise there. He thinks that most people need to be poor because he thinks they are bad people.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
10:18 AM on 01/15/2012
Glad the Liberals are not in power, then we would be sharing the same fate as our neighbors to the south.
10:34 AM on 01/15/2012
Not sure where you get your information but if Conservative policies had been in place at the beginning of the recession our economy would look alot like the US .

http://njnnetwork.com/2011/04/conservatives-have-dismal-record-on-finances/
10:52 AM on 01/15/2012
it is because the liberals were in power that we are not
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patrickwwalker
10:45 AM on 01/15/2012
Well, they have a mindset. The poor don't work because they're paid to much but the rich don't work because they're not paid enough.