Marijuana Canada: Liberal Vote To Legalize Wins Applause From Group

Marijuana Canada Liberal Convention

First Posted: 01/16/2012 2:16 pm Updated: 01/18/2012 11:54 am

OTTAWA - Don't fear the reefer. That's the message to the Conservative government from a group that fights to legalize pot.

The Beyond Prohibition Foundation says weed could be a real cash crop for Canada.

"We're talking about $400 million (that) is spent every year arresting just about 50,000 (people) — plus or minus a few thousand people, depending on the year — and that's just for possession," said Jacob Hunter, the Vancouver-based group's policy director.

"It goes up to 80,000 when you factor in trafficking and production. So we're talking about $400 million in savings on the possession side and then about $2 billion in revenue, assuming a whole number of variables.

"It gets a little complicated on the revenue side, because you have to figure out what the usage rate is, what the tax rate is, etc., etc. But it's a net gain for the government of about $2.4 billion."

Delegates at the Liberal convention on the weekend backed a resolution from the party's youth wing calling for the legalization and regulation of marijuana.

However, the resolution is not binding and there's no guarantee the party will ever actually campaign on legalizing pot, even though interim leader Bob Rae endorsed the position in principle.

The idea has no chance of ever becoming law under Stephen Harper's Conservative government, which has taken a hard line on drug use.

But pretend for a moment that Canada legalized marijuana so people could buy government-regulated weed in stores much like they now do with liquor.

Some argue government coffers would see a windfall.

The Fraser Institute, a conservative research group, did its own study in 2004 on potential revenues arising from legal marijuana and, like Hunter's group, came up with a $2-billion-a-year estimate.

"If we treat marijuana like any other commodity, we can tax it, regulate it, and use the resources the industry generates rather than continue a war against consumption and production that has long since been lost," Stephen Easton, an economics professor at Simon Fraser University and the study's author, said in a release at the time.

Statistics Canada says roughly half of the 108,600 police-reported drug crimes in Canada in 2010 were for possession of marijuana.

The agency notes that the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse has pegged the cost of illegal drug use — which includes expenses for police, courts and correctional services — at about $2 billion each year.

A glance across the Atlantic offers an interesting case study in decriminalizing pot.

Portugal decriminalized simple possession of all drugs in 2001. A study published 10 years later in the British Journal of Criminology found fewer teens using drugs, fewer cases of HIV and AIDS and more drugs seized by police from big traffickers.

However, it's worth noting that Portugal already had one of the lowest drug-use rates in the European Union before it decriminalized possession.

Still, Hunter argues legalizing marijuana would actually cut down on crime in Canada.

"Any country that has liberalized its marijuana policy has actually seen a decrease in marijuana use," he said.

"I think what this really comes down to is it gets rid of the coolness factor for kids and teenagers."

He adds it would also take organized crime out of the picture and allow the government to sell weed in a controlled environment.

But what about long lineups clogging the border as American pot-lovers rush to Canada for a legal toke?

That was former American ambassador Paul Cellucci's great concern when Paul Martin's Liberal government drafted legislation calling for modest fines for people caught with small amounts of marijuana.

Hunter doubts the Americans would do anything drastic.

"I don't think the U.S. would do anything other than huff and puff," he said.

More than a dozen states have already decriminalized the drug.

Last year, Connecticut became the 13th state to do so. The Hartford Courant newspaper reported the state could save $885,000 every year in court costs and attorney salaries, and make as much as $1.4 million in fines and fees.

However, marijuana remains illegal under U.S. federal law. In Canada, the drug has been illegal since 1923.

Jean Chretien's Liberal government also tried to pass a law that would fine people instead of criminally charging them for being caught in possession of small amounts of marijuana. The legislation died on the House of Commons order paper.

Harper's Conservative government scrapped the idea entirely when it came to power in 2006 and the Tories show no signs of changing their tune.

"No, it will not happen under our government," Harper said in Vancouver last fall.

"We're very concerned about the spread of drugs in the country and the damage it's doing and as you know we have legislation before the House to crack down."

The Conservatives have yet to pass their omnibus crime bill.

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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
03:36 PM on 01/18/2012
I am really starting to dislike the moderators on this site. I responded to each point of misinformation that piceaglauca spewed forth, and somehow it didn't make it to the board. I did not break any of their rules. WTH guys?
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:32 PM on 01/17/2012
The level of THC in marijuana:
In the 60s, marijuana had a THC (the active ingredient that gets people high) level of 7 percent to 14 percent. The pot on the streets today has a THC level of 14 percent to 27 percent. With each hit off a bong or pipe, marijuana smokers inhale more than 150 cancer-causing substances and almost twice as much tar as they would from a tobacco cigarette. Other short-term side effects include short-term memory loss, impaired abstract thinking, and slower reaction time.

Marijuana can be addictive:
Many treatment centers around the country are treating patients who have a primary addiction to marijuana. Withdrawal signs show up between 10-15 days after the last use and can include any of the following: sleeplessness, anxiety, nervousness, restlessness, loss of appetite, and cravings to use the drug or other drugs.

Many people are smoking marijuana:
Not at all true. If all of your friends are smoking, that might indicate a potential problem with your choice of friends.

Marijuana has medicinal value:
True, but marijuana cannot be the safest drug for cancer patients and people with AIDS who have a weak immune system as marijuana kills all the vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants in the body. Modern science now has a drug called Marinol, which mimics marijuana in the system without the side effects of street pot.
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11:16 AM on 01/18/2012
People like you are the reason it is a cool thing to do, just to prove you wrong. You can't deny the numbers. That many people wouldn't continue to use it if it was so bad. People know it isn't as bad as cigarettes, and while tobacco is legal and highly addictive, tobacco use has gone down and pot use has gone up. Clearly, being illegal doesn't stop people from using it, even inside prisons, it just makes people criminals.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:25 AM on 01/18/2012
I agree. Like court orders, men still beat their wives.
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
03:15 PM on 01/18/2012
And finally, show me the study that says pot kills vitamins, mineral and antioxidants in the human body. Do you work for a pharmaceutical company? You sure sound like you do. Marinol does not mimic marijuana, as it is based solely on THC, while ignoring all the other natural chemicals which make pot what it is. But what your saying here is its ok if someone can profit from it, but if its grown in your garden, then its not ok. Stop spreading misinformation about something you obviously know nothing about.
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piceaglauca
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08:37 PM on 01/18/2012
By James– April 3, 2008
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piceaglauca
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11:30 PM on 01/17/2012
For most people, low risk alcohol use will not cause a person to become impaired. There is no way a person can use marijuana and not become impaired.

Teenagers think Drugged Driving is safer than drunk driving. In reality marijuana can affect concentration, perception and reaction time up to 24 hours after it’s smoked says the federal director of drug policies, John Walters. That is much, much longer than alcohol can affect behavior.

But while marijuana might affect behavior much longer than alcohol and be much more dangerous for driving, it is much safer in that people are very rarely arrested for driving while drugged.

Marijuana is especially attractive to teenagers because it’s easier to hide than alcohol, a person can get high faster than they can get intoxicated, and parents don’t detect marijuana. In addition, recent nation-wide research has found it easier for young people to buy marijuana than beer because of increased enforcement of laws against the sale of alcoholic beverages to underage persons.
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
03:26 PM on 01/18/2012
John Walters? Who is he? What are his credentials in this regard? He is a politician, and will say what ever puts money in his pocket. To date ..., seven studies using culpability analysis have been reported, involving a total of 7,934 drivers. Alcohol was detected as the only drug in 1,785 drivers, and together with cannabis in 390 drivers. Cannabis was detected in 684 drivers, and in 294 of these it was the only drug detected. The results to date of crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes. … [In] cases in which THC was the only drug present were analyzed, the culpability ratio was found to be not significantly different from the no-drug group.
Pot is especially attractive to teenagers because, due to prohibition, it is easy to get. Unregulated drug dealers do not ask for ID. Everyone likes to get high, in one form or another. Rather than jail and damage peoples lives, we should deal with it like adults, rather than childish punishments.
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They're eating her!Then they'll eat meeee
04:52 PM on 01/17/2012
"We're very concerned about the spread of drugs in the country and the damage it's doing and as you know we have legislation before the House to crack down." -Harpy

What about the damage his crime legislation will be doing? Prisons are the worst idea ever. For the price of a single prison term, we could instead be funding college educations, and have left over money for the public purse. I'm all for punishing terrible people, but not every "criminal" is a terrible person. Instead of putting money down the toilet, by feeding useless mouths in prisons.... we could be increasing the math and science scores of our youth. That is what our country needs. We don't need to end up like the Americans.
11:41 AM on 01/17/2012
This proposal is NOT ! " Legalization " !! This proposal forms a "Cartel" !!! This proposal will funnel more money into the hands of Conglomerate stooges rather than provide much needed relief to sick & suffering patients ... This proposal does nothing to address the staggering Synthetic , " Big Pharma" death juice,.. dependency which is sweeping away both young & old people world wide .. One could ask ," How can anyone be so blindly cold-hearted toward people" Then again The answer unfolds daily .. Greed & denial create wholly un- sustainable contraptions which are only bound for ultimate failure .. This has been proven time & time again. .. It's real obvious as one looks to the lessons of history rather than cheap control tactics of Robber Barons
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Aurel1us
They're eating her!Then they'll eat meeee
04:54 PM on 01/17/2012
This guy is on drugs.....that are definitely not marijuana.
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
03:28 PM on 01/18/2012
Maybe, but he is correct.
12:18 AM on 01/17/2012
So you are telling us the Liberals have a policy in the works on how to distribute it (corner stores??) How to develop production, how to proceed with licensing, testing, grading? WHo would make Hash? WOuld Hash oil be legal? Would food products with Pot be Legal?how to proceed with levels of intoxication and social responsibilities like driving, flying a plane, being a cop?DO they have a policy on how to deal with Youth using and getting access to pot? How to deal with mental health issues related to Pot? Nope...nothing. Therefore it is cheap electoral talk ....just like the old days.
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Aurel1us
They're eating her!Then they'll eat meeee
04:59 PM on 01/17/2012
I think that they're implying that everything with "pot" would be legal. My guess is that it would be distributed by an entity akin to the LCBO, rather than distributed by corner stores. That's more of a provincial concern though. Obvious rules apply to social responsibilities and work. It's not okay to be on any drug at work? Mental health issues are dealt with by mental health professionals?
It's definitely a move for votes, but I believe it to be true.
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11:27 PM on 01/16/2012
It's a smart move. The Liberals have almost no support in BC after their push for the loathed HST.
11:23 PM on 01/16/2012
"He adds it would also take organized crime out of the picture and allow the government to sell weed in a controlled environment."
I think the idea of the government selling it is just disgusting.
All these decades they would not let us have it at all. They knew nothing about it. they lied about it and demonised everyone who tried to tell the truth. Then they are put forward as the ones to benefit the most from its availability.
No government will ever grow it as well as I can and you won't see it's full benefit to the economy and the community as long as it remains a tightly regulated economy.
It and we have to be totally free.
11:50 AM on 01/17/2012
I agree Paul Paul, It seems as though they're simply replacing one Cartel with another .. Frankly , I don't want LosZetas,.. Sin aloa,.. Or some faceless "Commission" selling me weed or carrots , for that matter. I demand my right to safely grow , share , and consume .. It's that simple .
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Aurel1us
They're eating her!Then they'll eat meeee
05:01 PM on 01/17/2012
You guys are obviously growers who will profit less from this law. Also? Weiners.
09:23 PM on 01/16/2012
right on
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Bud Fallbrook
@BudFallbrook ...of course
08:32 PM on 01/16/2012
Legalization in Canada will help our legalization efforts here in the USA. ...and increase your tourist dollars : )
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piceaglauca
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10:41 PM on 01/16/2012
I doubt if it will help you. It is more likely that your position will stop ours. Your country goes after everyone even outside your jurisdiction. I'd hate to have a criminal record for possession. My flying days would be over.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
07:43 PM on 01/16/2012
Two people get into a fist fight outside of a bar. A small crowd gathers. The one guy has a pair of brass knuckles, but is quickly disarmed and the second man stomps him even after he is unconcious.
The police show up...

Who gets two years in jail?

Neither, the guy in the crowd who had a joint in his pocket gets more tiem in jail then either of the combatents.

Wot a grand ol' policy this is.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
07:39 PM on 01/16/2012
But what about long lineups clogging the border as American pot-lovers rush to Canada for a legal toke?

That was former American ambassador Paul Cellucci's great concern when Paul Martin's Liberal government drafted legislation calling for modest fines for people caught with small amounts of marijuana.
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The correct answer of course is that Canadian law should be based on what is best for Canadians and not so much worry about how it might annoy the Americans.
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
08:33 PM on 01/16/2012
...Yeah & we should charge them an extra $5 Bucks at 'the door'/ Border (snicker) We can call it a 'Security charge'
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john frodo
armchair expert
08:48 AM on 01/17/2012
most US states are now decriminalized, so its pure hypocracy
07:12 PM on 01/16/2012
much better to have a failed state like mexico in ,say BC -----

with 10's of thousands of deaths
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
07:38 PM on 01/16/2012
I don't get it, do you think that BC willl become a narco state like northern Mexico because... pot is decriminalized?

You need to lay off the weed man, it's making you paranoid.
08:32 AM on 01/17/2012
just the opposite dude ----lay off the weed it is making you stupid
07:05 PM on 01/16/2012
the praise rolling in will increase exponentially with the tax revenues
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Aurel1us
They're eating her!Then they'll eat meeee
05:09 PM on 01/17/2012
absolutely! tax revenue is awesome!
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LouiseM
One of the most cynical optimists you'll ever meet
06:54 PM on 01/16/2012
Why, oh why, is Canada showing the path forward to the United States? Is it just that Big Money rules the US, and Big Money *always* tries to stomp out challenges to its profitable status quo?

Canada - the New United States. In 10 years, it will have the US's climate, anyway, as climate change keeps pushing the growing belts north.