Omnibus Crime Bill: Ontario Says Federal Legislation Will Cost The Province $1 Billion

Omnibus Crime Bill Canada

First Posted: 01/23/2012 10:01 am Updated: 01/26/2012 11:16 am

TORONTO - The omnibus federal crime bill will cost Ontario more than $1 billion in increased police and court costs, the province's Liberal government said Monday as it demanded Ottawa pick up the tab.

Bill C-10 creates new mandatory minimum sentences, increases maximum sentences for some crimes, limits the use of conditional sentences such as house arrest and makes it harder to get a pardon.

Ontario faces "the very real possibility" of having to build a new 1,000-bed jail, at a cost of $900 million, to house the extra prisoners who will be arrested and sentenced under Bill C-10, said Correctional Services Minister Madeleine Meilleur.

"I’ll be calling on the federal government to provide funding to cover their $1-billion piece of legislation for Ontario," Meilleur said in an interview before heading to Charlottetown for a meeting with her federal and provincial counterparts.

"We’re looking for them to come out with the money."

Federal Justice Minister Rob Nicholson was unavailable to comment Monday, but his office said the cost of crime on society far exceeds the cost of fighting crime.

"Our experience shows that toughening sentences doesn't create new criminals, it simply keeps criminals in jail for an appropriate amount of time," spokeswoman Julie DiMambro said in an email.

"Canadians expect that their provincial governments will work with the federal government to make sure we have safe streets and communities."

The Tories have given Ontario $8.4 billion in transfers since they first came to power, a 77 per cent increase, added DiMambro.

There are about 8,500 inmates in Ontario correctional facilities, which operate at about 95 per cent capacity, said Meilleur.

The province estimates the Conservatives' crime bill could add another 1,500 inmates to the provincial system by 2016, pushing populations to 150 per cent of capacity at some jails.

"I’m concerned because this additional pressure will lead to overcrowding in some institutions and undermine the province’s efforts to modernize the correctional system," said Meilleur.

"Overcrowding is expensive, unsafe and unacceptable."

Meilleur also noted the federal legislation will increase the number of people on parole, adding to caseloads for probation and parole officers as well as police.

"We will have to increase the numbers of probation and parole officers, and there will be new police investigations, increased officers’ time in court and less of their time on our streets, so we’ll need extra police officers," she said.

"It’s unacceptable that Ontarians are expected to bear the costs of a federal anti-crime initiative."

Quebec and Newfoundland also say Bill C-10 will overwhelm their already maxed-out court systems and create a costly influx of prisoners to provincial jails. Several other provinces, including British Columbia, Alberta and New Brunswick, support the federal changes.

Ontario's Progressive Conservatives said the cash-strapped Liberal government had done little since last October's provincial election to trim a $16-billion deficit except bash Ottawa in hopes of squeezing out more federal cash.

"I suspect this sounds like more language from the McGuinty Liberals to try to avoid their own problems by reducing costs and foisting it onto someone else," said Opposition Leader Tim Hudak.

Ontario's New Democrats said the province should not be on the hook for the federal government's new crime legislation.

Given the fact crime rates are declining, we should be investing in the community, creating jobs, taking care of people who don’t have employment," said NDP critic Jagmeet Singh.

"Instead, we’re shifting to create more prisons and expanding the prison complex."

Note to readers: This is a corrected story. A previous version identified the spokeswoman as being from Toews' ministry and misspelled Singh's name.

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  • Key Measures In Tory Crime Bill

    The bill, known as the Safe Streets and Communities Act, includes the following measures: <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em> (CP/Alamy)

  • Child Sex Offences

    Heftier penalties for sexual offences against children. The bill also creates two new offences aimed at conduct that could facilitate or enable the commission of a sexual offence against a child. (MANAN VATSYAYANA/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Drugs

    Tougher sentences for the production and possession of illicit drugs for the purposes of trafficking. (NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Violent And Young Offenders

    Tougher penalties for violent and repeat young offenders. (JOHN MACDOUGALL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Conditional Sentences

    An end to the use of conditional sentences, or house arrest, for serious and violent crimes (GEOFF ROBINS/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Parole Hearings

    Allowing victims to participate in parole hearings. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld)

  • Pardons

    Extending ineligibility periods for applications for pardons to five years from three for summary-conviction offences and to 10 years from five for indictable offences. (Flickr: haven't the slightest)

  • Transferring Canadian Offenders

    Expanding the criteria that the public safety minister can consider when deciding whether to allow the transfer of a Canadian offender back to Canada to serve a sentence. (JOEL ROBINE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Terror Victims

    Allowing terrorism victims to sue terrorists and their supporters, including listed foreign states, for losses or damages resulting from an act of terrorism committed anywhere in the world.(STRDEL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Human Trafficking

    Measures to prevent human trafficking and exploitation. (LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)

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ProgressiveCDN
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10:47 AM on 01/26/2012
Let the complete and utter WASTE of our tax dollars begin!!

Like every other Con majority in recent history, these guys will tank our economy!

They waste billions on a non-existent boogey-man while slashing Environment Canada and federal jobs in the name of austerity........... Republicans Anyone?!
07:44 AM on 01/26/2012
So thats where our health care dollars are going .
02:16 PM on 01/25/2012
Makes sense to me. Our crime rate is going down so lets build jails and fill them. Do I hear banjo music in the background?
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piceaglauca
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10:47 PM on 01/23/2012
You mean to tell me that the province is full of criminals the Ontario Government has been holding back on processing due to cost. That the streets aren't really safe and that I could be living next to a criminal. This is rediculous. To think I voted for this government and they haven't been trying to protect me. They reneiged on their responsibility to protect citizens. What are we paying all these salarries to cops and judges and the judicial sytem to candy A** these people. McGhinty's success should have been thought out more. Terribly disappointed. Ontario has a large population therefore it should pay its way.
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Filthy
12:04 PM on 01/25/2012
I think the point is, is that minimum sentences obligate judges and parole boards to imprison even those offenders that they feel are reformed and no longer a danger to society. And minimum sentences compel judges to sentence people for longer even if they feel that their actions don't necessarily warrant an extended prison stay.

The cumulative effect is a greater level of incarceration. The US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world because of similar get tough on crime legislation. The result is that since 1982 the cost of incarceration has risen 420%. The US spent $68,747,203,000 on corrections in 2006.

Violent crime has been decreasing for the last 30 years. This legislation is really just posturing, and it's very expensive posturing. I for one am tired of my taxes going to pay for policies that do nothing more than allow fat white conservative males to feel tough while pandering to other cowardly conservatives. Their base, the ones who think that gangs of black youths are about to home invade their country farm because their sense of reality is inextricably interwoven with the latest Law and Order Spin off.
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piceaglauca
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08:43 PM on 01/25/2012
Constantly using US as a comparison is totally nonsensual for many reasons, foremost is the ethnic question, followed by a southern border, and finally the general attitude towards incarceration in the first place. Not withstanding, Canada's ethnic differential does not compare as does its population. Canada is not faced with border problems, and Canada has had many social programs both government and private which have alleviated many of the problems leading to jail. My focus on mandatory sentencing is mainly to reduce the inconsistency of the courts to fairly adjudicate cases. There are too many descrepancies by judges today that need to be solved. If crime has declined then this change in policy is not going to increasing the number of people that are in jail unless you are telling me that many people are not in jail becuase of the previous policy and if you are then the decline is not reflectant of the crime rate. If you are tired of taxes going to WFM's then focus on why they are so fat by looking at these numbers:
10. Michael Chong - $3,124,903 (2015 = $2,684,816)
9. Peter Van Loan - $3,194,114 (2015 = $2,462,029)
8. Rona Ambrose - $3,330,876 (2015 = $2,429,149)
7. Rob Anders - $3,643,873 (2015 = $3,034,089)
6. Denis Coderre - $3,701,989 (2015 = $3,288,821)
5. Scott Brison - $3,723,666 (2015 = $3,113,881)
4. James Moore - $3,795,386 (2015 = $2,893,658)
3. Gerry Byrne - $3,996,498 (2015 = $3,450,711)
2. Jason Kenney - $4,318,507 (2015
07:57 PM on 01/23/2012
It is about time the Federal Government put some stiffer Penalties on the plate for criminals. Crime started to rise when the death penalty was taken off the table which was the right thing to do as as the system does make mistakes.
The Problem is that now there are no deterrents for criminals. Criminals are too used to getting a slap on the wrist, short jail sentences, or early Parole. "Even Murderers get Parolled".
Canada needs to set Penalties in place that will allow any potential law breaker to think twice before committing any Crimes.
Gone are the days of bringing your fists to a fight! People today bring guns and knives which can lead to lethal wounds that can be the death to innocent people. This has to stop!
If the Federal Government initiates stronger Penalties, the potental criminals might think twice before using deadly force.
The Federal Government should be contrbuting Funds towards any/all New Penitenturies, but the Provinces need to contribute to the Bill as well. Who Benefits from incarcerating criminals? The people of the Provinces.
At the same time, the Federal Government has to stop downloading more costs to the Provinces. Some Provinces have proven that they are not capable of handling these costs, which is contributing to the unemployment situation of this Country.
This is the same as Health Care. Some Provinces have kept the Health Care going well in their Province and other Provinces have made their Health Care Systems DEPLORABLE!

DB
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piceaglauca
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10:52 PM on 01/23/2012
Personally I don't care about the rehabilition system most of these people suffer from mental health problems and should be detained indefinitely. The statistics of repeat offenders wouldn't exist if they were kept where they were orginally. I'm tired of listening to the fact that crime is down. The fact that our system goes after these guys and deals with them is why we walk the streets. Watering the system down or threatening the agenda isn't the answer. As for the provinces if the provincial population has a greater number of criminals per captia let the province pay. It might be a better incentive to improve policing and crime prevention programs.
08:00 PM on 01/24/2012
People were far more humane 100 years ago than you are, that's for sure.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
05:43 PM on 01/23/2012
The real crime is how much this bill will end up costing taxpayers in the end.
08:51 PM on 01/23/2012
Perhaps. But I wonder if people who have loved ones or have themselves been victims of a crime will feel the same way.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
10:07 PM on 01/23/2012
And how is this bill going to reduce crime? Especially violent crime? Where's the evidence of that? The fact is the Cons want to implement an American style private prison system that puts the incentive to increase prison population without limit at a benefit to shareholders and an ever-increasing cost to taxpayers. There are far better (and cost-effective) ways to approach this problem.
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piceaglauca
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10:53 PM on 01/23/2012
They won't Ask the parents of Paul Bernardoe's escapades. He is one example on why we should never forget.
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04:28 PM on 01/23/2012
This is why lobbying needs to be made illegal, this bill is not about stopping crime but putting people in prison so private prison industries like Halliburton and friends can make huge profits.

They have bleed California and Texas dry and these cohorts are looking for another market to suck dry. They will lobby and contribute to any politician willing to push their agenda.

Enough is enough, people are waking up.....
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working onit
Stop Harper
05:00 PM on 01/23/2012
sadly...not waking up quick enough.

Unless Canada's Senators do the right thing and stand up to this flawed legislation we will be subject to the corporate prisons and big pharma bullies.
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piceaglauca
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10:55 PM on 01/23/2012
We don't use the Americans as examples for our own legal system. The Federal Government is over employed in the criminal justice system with many social agencies which are bleeding us dry of money in the name of "save the criminal". We don't need all of this.
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Stop Harper
12:14 PM on 01/26/2012
What I am arguing is that Canada is going the way of the US with this bill.

NO ONE is arguing to molly coddle violent offenders and let them loose on the streets.

You argue the social agencies are bleeding us dry...but they've managed to reduce crime with rehabilitation and harm reduction policies.

Why is Canada's crime rate down if rehabilitation doesn't work?

The crime rate will go up as these services are reduced. The crime rate will go up because this bill strengthens the failed war on drugs rather than introducing sensible drug policies.

This is what happened in the US: the majority of federal prisoners in the US and Canada are there for drug use. No rehab, no mental health programs, no work programs, no hope of becoming a valued member of society. What's left? Become a better criminal.

This makes sense to you. Not to me.
02:27 PM on 01/23/2012
All Harper needs to do to have everyone be happy and get the bill passed is to remove the cannibals users minimum sentences. It shouldn't be a crime to smoke marijuana anyway. It's a non-manufactured herb, it should be exempt from being a controlled substance. But big business has spoken, so now all the pot smokers are criminals for taking away from big pharma profit.
03:22 PM on 01/23/2012
I don't know, man. I would prefer to keep the cannibals (and their users) in jail. ;)
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Colin Speth
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04:37 PM on 01/23/2012
Agreed. We must keep a lid on the cannibals.
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piceaglauca
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10:56 PM on 01/23/2012
The laws won't change. Any party proposing it will be commiting political suicide.
01:29 PM on 01/24/2012
People have been saying that for years and it's simply not true. Support for legalization, or at least further decriminalization, is actually the mainstream view, according to most public opinion polls this decade.. The latest one I read in the Gazette last week had support at 66%. I was in my bank the other day and overheard a little old lady saying to the teller how pleased she was with the Liberals new stance on legalization, even though she usually votes conservative.
01:42 PM on 01/23/2012
Although it appears more and more that the Harper Government is 'anti-science' and 'anti-fact', could there just possibly be some cynical logic in what there are doing? Given that their stated reasons have proven bogus, maybe they are deliberately trying to overload the prisons and put a stress on some provincial budgets for devious ideological reasons. In a democracy, you might think it was proper etiquette to tell the electorate what their real agenda was, but I suppose that would go against their ideology.
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BCSLAVE
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03:01 PM on 01/23/2012
Kill medicare....Provinces won't be able to afford hospitals when they have shinny prisons forced on them filled with petty criminals serving long sentences.
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
03:50 PM on 01/23/2012
Holy broken record. Yes building prisons for criminals is the worst thing that ever happened to this country. The sky is falling ! The sky is falling !
03:24 PM on 01/23/2012
The first step in an American-style private for-profit system?
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gx5000
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01:32 PM on 01/23/2012
Once those US contractors win their tenders to construct and rebuild our Prison infrastructure we'll have plenty of room, that's the plan, it's right there in front of us...build it, for we have passed the crime bill, and they will come....
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BCSLAVE
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03:03 PM on 01/23/2012
And force provinces to close hospitals because they have no say in prisons - the decision has been made and there is only so much money.
01:12 PM on 01/23/2012
Stephen Harper wants to put Pot smokers in jail and there only crime is inhaling herbs, and I think if you look in the Bible Mr. Born again Harper under Genesis 1 : 29 God has given every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of the tree yielding seed; it shall be your meat.. So Mr Harper if you believe Armageddon is coming as you say maybe you should look at the word in the bible before making new laws and throwing innocent people in jail for inhaling! Harper Works for New World Order in plain to see.. Harpers the New World Order Canadian Puppet
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Steve Karmazenuk
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01:11 PM on 01/23/2012
And once the prisons are overflowing HarperCorp introduces a bill to privatize the prisons, making them for-profit enterprises. Come in companies that are already running some of the harshest prisons in the US...and Canada begins to manufacture prisoners in order to feed the prison industry.
03:27 PM on 01/23/2012
I'm thinking the exact same thing.
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john frodo
armchair expert
04:15 PM on 01/23/2012
and make things, do manufacturing even call centers for 10 cents an hour, no benefits no pension, and then they say prisoners must pay rent.
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Steve Karmazenuk
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04:38 PM on 01/23/2012
Having worked in Bell Canada's call centers for most of 6 years of my life, I think it safe to say that such work would qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
12:41 PM on 01/23/2012
Ontario had millions to waste on green projects that accomplished absolutely nothing yet it doesn't have the cash to jail criminals. Not a day goes by that some one from Ontario isn't whinning about the feds. The Liberal governement they repeatedly elected has brought the province to the brink of insolvency and now it's the feds who are supposed to fix it, of course. Provinces like BC are in favour of this bill because they know they have a problem with organized crime and drugs and would like to do something about it. Ontario would rather blame Harper and ignore the problem. What happened in Caledonia is a perfect illustration of how seriously McGuinty takes public safety vs. politics.
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thomdetroit
01:35 PM on 01/23/2012
Lets say for the sake of argument that you have some valid points, what do they have to do with this article? I would very much be interested on your take, concerning the events in Caledonia.
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BCSLAVE
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03:10 PM on 01/23/2012
Colin, you don't need new prisons to tackle organized crime in BC and besides there is already prisons built for them. They are nothing new and if they didn't fill the prisons before they won't in the future - too much money to be made even by the Feds.

No, the new prisons are for pot smokers, political opposition, parking ticket violators, and faux crime (stuff they make up as they go along).
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
03:56 PM on 01/23/2012
Oh thta's what they are for. OK. So overnight the independent judiciary is gong to start filling our prisons with non-violent offenders? Of course they are. Thats why 95% per cent of the people doing hard time right now are violent repeat offenders. It's actually incredibly hard to recive a lenghty prison sentence in Canada, you have to be a pretty bad dude. That's reality.
12:02 PM on 01/23/2012
They always say training is one of the keys to job creation.

In this case Harper has seen that Canada has too many small time amateur criminals committing minor offenses. With his new program of mandatory minimums, no rehabilitation and no programs to reintegrate convicts into society in a few years we'll have a whole new class of hardened professional criminals on the street to take their place.

Thank you Stephen Harper.
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Colin Speth
A Claymore for your thoughts
12:49 PM on 01/23/2012
Yeah who cares about small time criminals. Unless you or someone in your family is a victim. Do you think hardened criminals come from outer space? Or were they once "small time criminals" who didn't get punished and moved on to bigger things. Cracking down on small crimes is exactly how New York city accomplished wholesale drops in thier major crime rates over the past decade. Look it up. Not punishing crime, no matter how inconsequential your liberal mind finds it, is not the way to protect public safety. But I'm pretty sure you don't care either way you just wanted a chance to take a shot at Harper par usual.
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01:49 PM on 01/23/2012
if the conservatives are so great how come they dont reverse the damage done by the previous libs in power? right and left are there to make you think you have a viable choice. fact is there is little diference between them, except on issues that dont matter or the gov. has no business messing with anyway. believing that any officialy recognized party has your best interests in mind, is foolish, and indicates brainwashing.
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04:57 PM on 01/23/2012
Uh the entire US had significant drops in the Crime rate over the past decade. Not Just NYC.

And what is considered to be a MAJOR contributing factor to this lower crime rate?

LEGALIZED ABORTIONS.

look it up,( no matter how inconsequential your conservative mind will find it.)
01:00 PM on 01/23/2012
Sorry, but I disagree. I agree that rehabilitation and reintegration need more thought and attention, but mandatory sentencing for violent and repeat offenders doesn't bother me in the least. Especially given some of the "sentences" that there have been for violent and repeat offenders in the past.
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03:15 PM on 01/23/2012
This is exactly how the divide and conquer strategy succeeds.

ALL of us are for locking up violent offenders. We are all for punishing crimes against others.

But this government has wrapped bad laws inside the good laws we all support.

This is the 'secret agenda' come to life.

Many of us want rehabilitation & education to be a major factor in the prison system. Many of us believe the war on drugs is a government crime against citizens.

But if we say that we are vilified as being soft on crime.

We're for being smart on crime. Not medieval.
11:56 AM on 01/23/2012
how else is the conservative govt going to fill all the superprisons they are building? (in the US the for-profit prison system -- private corporations paid by the govt for every bed in the prison -- resulted in lobbying for more and harsher laws... by the corporations who built the prisons, in order to fill those beds.)
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03:14 PM on 01/23/2012
Don't forget the fraud committed by several of the corporations and the judges who got kick backs for sending teenage girls to prison for years for telling their mothers to go to hell.