NDP Leadership Debate: Nathan Cullen's Liberal Partnership Proposal Draws Criticism

Ndp Debates Nathan Cullen

First Posted: 01/29/2012 4:08 am Updated: 01/29/2012 6:23 pm

HALIFAX - NDP MP Nathan Cullen said he's "doubling down" on the idea of joining forces with the Liberals in the next election, moments after a debate during which he came under fire from his party leadership rivals over the contentious proposal.

In a rare show of sparks between the leadership candidates, the British Columbia politician found himself on the defensive Sunday after Thomas Mulcair, Peggy Nash and Martin Singh slammed the idea.

"Why don't you think it's enough to get progressives to rally around our banner?" Mulcair asked Cullen during the debate in Halifax.

"Why would you shoot for the bronze medal when you know that Canadians share our goals, share our vision?"

Nash said the proposal would strip Canadians of their democratic right to vote for the party of their choice.

"We had a historic breakthrough in the last election. Why not build on that?" the Toronto MP said, generating a round of applause from the audience at Citadel High School.

"Let's not look at a rear-view mirror."

In response, Cullen said his ultimate goal is to oust the federal Conservatives from power and bring in a proportional representation voting system if he were elected prime minister.

"Let's all recognize the thing that we know: that the current voting system we have in this country is broken and flawed," he said.

"No one can question my faith in this party. No one can question my work ethic over the last number of years in building up in places that we thought we had no hope."

Cullen has said he would allow local NDP riding associations to decide whether it's in their interest to hold joint nomination meetings with other parties in Tory-held ridings.

After the debate, Cullen said he would not back down.

"In fact, we're doubling down on it," he told reporters, though he added he is not "married to the details."

"The particulars of how this thing happens — it can happen in many different ways."

In another heated moment at the debate, Ottawa MP Paul Dewar asked Mulcair to clarify his position on the sale of bulk water. Mulcair said he is in favour of protecting water resources and opposed to exporting it.

"But you know ... that's my position," said Mulcair, a former minister of environment in Quebec.

Niki Ashton, Brian Topp and Romeo Saganash are also vying to replace the late Jack Layton.

Each of the contenders took turns attacking the federal Conservative record on health and pensions in what could be a prelude for what to expect when the House of Commons returns Monday.

Topp, a former NDP president, called Prime Minister Stephen Harper a hypocrite for saying he supported families while "kicking them in the shins" with proposed changes to Old Age Security.

The Tories have said they want to ensure OAS remains sustainable, but haven't confirmed speculation they will raise the eligibility age to 67 from 65.

Other debates every two weeks are planned in Quebec City, Winnipeg, Montreal and Vancouver. NDP members will choose their new leader on March 24 at a convention in Toronto.

Layton died of cancer last August just months after leading the NDP to 103 seats and official Opposition status for the first time in the party's history.

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This is a question I get from party members everywhere I go. New Democrats want to win in 2015. And they want to know that the candidates have a plan to win and then to govern well. I believe that the key to winning is to offer a clear and positive social democratic agenda for change. We don't have to become Liberals to win. We don't have to defeat ourselves even as we win by adopting the priorities and agendas of our opponents -- by becoming what we are fighting to change.

And we don't have to borrow from the Conservative playbook by practicing the cynical politics of division and anger. For every criticism we make of or opponents, we have to offer a positive solution in its place. In my campaign I have offered a series of detailed proposals to improve the fairness of our tax system and I will be releasing major policy initiatives aimed at building a more equal, greener and just Canada. In the end, New Democrats win by staying positive, by offering a clear and practical agenda for change, and by having the courage of our convictions.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
11:58 AM on 02/15/2012
I'd like to know what the Candidates are going to do on OUR behalf - right now and see the 'details of their proposals'. It is clear - I believe - to all that of course the Party wants to defeat the Conservatives and being told that - that is the only thing - or it feels like it- they have on the table for the next 4 years - shakes my confidence in them big time. We are NOT in 'election mode' - are we? I mean what's on the table - FOR US - The People - that elected you all to represent our wishes and concerns - like right now? What are the Party's doing about that?
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DidiM
Human 'being'
04:47 PM on 02/13/2012
Well mr. Cullen - just "Lost My Vote". We here in Quebeck - did not support the NDP to go into partnership with the "Liberals. We voted NDP to get RID of them! What does he NOT understand about that? Looks like Brian Topps - maybe or the candidate - any NDP Leadership candidate that - Makes it Clear - that ALL Canadians are Entitled to EQUAL RIGHTS in ALL Provinces - INCLUDING the right to Work and Live in ENGLISH or French where population warrants and it FOR SURE - WARRANTS - in Quebec - with 2.5 Million English speaking Quebeckers!! Notwithstanding: Every MP in this country - and EVER PARTY - Is BY LAW - Obligated to INSURE - this!! If they do not -- then they are IN FACT - Violating and abusing their LIMITED Powers and Violating Their Oaths Of Office! And it's HIGH TIME those doing so - become Publicly Accountable to the People Of Canada - who entrusted them - and PAY THEM - to do so!
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JackHoffman
Pundit
08:54 PM on 02/01/2012
Cullen is right. Merge or lose. Period.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
04:11 PM on 02/01/2012
Thank You Mr. Cullen!!! Stop all the hyperbole. This guy is not advocating the destruction of the NDP. Rather, he is being PROGRESSIVE and that takes guts!

All Progressives, (Libs & NDPs, even Greens) should hold a meeting long before the next election and take a serious look at the many seats that were handed to the Cons by splitting the progressive vote. They should debate over each of the ridings, where the Libs would leave certain ones to the NDP and vice-versa... I live in Winnipeg South Centre, and we had a great Liberal MP in Anita Neville (for 8yrs I believe), and she lost her seat by less than 2000 votes to the Conservative while the NDP recieved roughtly 6000 votes... If progressives have a coalition to prevent this kind of self-defeating politics, not only would both parties be better off, but Harper would be OUT!!

Read more here: http://liberallibra.wordpress.com/2011/08/03/liberals-the-ndp/
11:58 AM on 02/01/2012
Cullen has a trait sorely lacking in the other potential leaders,guts.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
06:01 PM on 02/13/2012
Cullen - I thought had the wherewithal to consult with party members and supporters - across the country - before asking us to support his candidacy - no? Otherwise - there seems to be no consideration given to what the people want. What's with that? This continues and I want my !10.00 bucks back!
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Planarama
Common sense will one day prevail.
09:26 AM on 01/30/2012
A merger of the parties on the centre and left is the ONLY way in which we will not have a 12 year reign of terror by Mr. Harper.

Suck it up buttercups and do what it right for Canada. Splitting the vote, splitting the will of Canadians is not what is right for Canada.

Is a pissing match worth losing our pension system, single-payer health care, our environment, and our reputation in the world? I don't think so.
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colpy
02:14 PM on 01/30/2012
Our reputation in the world is intact.....with everyone that matters. Personally, I don't give a damn what Islamic theocracies, or the United Nations....that corrupt tool of tyrants and psycho-states.

Our environment is doing quite well, thank you......and its protection continues.

We haven't had a single payer health system.....ever. The universality of basic health care is a foundational principal of the Conservative gov't, although it is a provincial responsibility..

The pension system beyond the CPP is unsustainable.........and as a 57 year old worker in a low paid profession, this probably matters to me more than to you. As well, nobody is talking about eliminating the system. You'll just have to learn to take care of yourself a little more.

PLEASE merge. That will remove any threat to Conservative rule for the foreseeable future, as ex-Liberals jump to the Conservatives, and the looney left of the NDP either jump to fringe parties or quit voting altogether.
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Planarama
Common sense will one day prevail.
08:02 PM on 01/30/2012
The people who matter today, may not matter tomorrow.

Our environment is not doing well. Have you ever Google Earthed the tar sands? That's a pit the size of Metro Toronto.

I don't ever remember reading that universal health care was a founding principle when the Reform Party the the PCs merged. The way the Finance Minister and the PM are talking, it sounds to me like they are buttering us up for privatized health care. "We cut corporate taxes to create jobs but the corporations just stashed away the money so we can't afford healthcare any more."

Why is the pension system beyond the CPP unsustainable? Oh wait, it's because the government cut corporate taxes to help out the rich. Personally, if the CPP rates were a little higher and I didn't have to pay out 3% a year in fund management fees to the private sector, I would be okay with that.

Had the NDP and Liberals merged prior to the last election, Mr. Harper would not be our PM verging on dictator that he is now.

...but I know that you will see it with your neoconservative rose coloured glasses anyway so I don't know why I am wasting my fingertips by typing a response to you.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
04:30 PM on 02/01/2012
As a 57 year old worker in a low paid profession, you are voting outside of your economic interests.
That retirement will be another 10yrs as opposed to 8. Also, your taxes will stay the same or increase while the upper-income oil barrons run away paying hardly any taxes after their subsidies from their commander-in-chief Harper.

If these guys merge, the result will be no different than when the looney right merged with the Progressive right. Domination! No More Harper!
10:13 PM on 01/31/2012
As a Liberal delegate at the recently convened convention, I have justifiable interest in your thoughts on cooperation at the riding level with respect to the concepts espoused by Mr Cullen. With an eye on the next election, there could come a point in time when it would be in the best interests of the majority of Canadians to unite to ensure this retrograde Harper Government be sent back to the drawing board. Your statements are accurate in both original commentary and your rebuttal to this con man colpy. Together, I believe we could adopt a timely review and implementation of a revised system of voting that would abandon the antiquated FPTP system ensuring a more democratic form of consensual government. The Liberals are gaining momentum with our infusion of grassroots participation evident in our renewal and growth in both party and supporter membership and funding - almost a third of the delegates at the convention were youth. Once we have both chosen our party Leaders, there will be time to review options - in the interim we must reach out and continue to express our displeasure at the ineptitude of the Harper government and show ourselves to be a viable option to the citizens of the country we call home - Canada.
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Planarama
Common sense will one day prevail.
09:06 AM on 02/01/2012
If I could superfavorite your comment, I would.

Bring on the merger or strategic coalition plan. Liberals get Ontario, the Maritimes, Manitoba, and Saskatchewan. The NDP gets Quebec, the North, and BC.

Let's get'er done!
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DidiM
Human 'being'
05:56 PM on 02/13/2012
As a new (Quebec Anglo/Allo resident) member of the NDP - I vigorously 'Object' to any kind of deal or merge with the Liberal/Fiberals. We voted NDP to RID ourselves of the Liberals (the Quebec Fed., Liberal who have deliberately DENIED us the RIGHT to Participate in the Political Process - as guaranteed by our Constitutional Laws - that ALL Quebec Federal & Provincial Party's have totally ignored - for DECADES).... and The BLOC. What do you not understand about our reason for voting the NDP into Official Opposition Position? A merge of any kind with any other party is a total slap in our face. Please know and get that !:):)
12:53 AM on 01/30/2012
Thank you Mr.Cullen for actually contributing something rather than Harper Hatred to this dog and pony show.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
12:19 AM on 01/30/2012
Mr. Topp, if you're going to be that boneheaded about compromise I've got news for you - you sound like Stephen Harper. The NDP and the Liberals have to work, and challenge Harper, together and then sort out their differences later. We ABSOLUTELY cannot have this Harper Government(tm) back for another 4 years. As for courage of convictions, I hear you, however you also have to have the courage to work together, for ALL the people of Canada, and ^NOT be like Stephen Harper who rarely consults, or compromises with others.
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colpy
05:02 AM on 01/30/2012
Now you know how I felt living through 40 years of Liberal and psuedo-Liberal rule (read Mulroney, a Liberal in a blue suit)

Get used to it.

The conservatives are the new Natural Governing Party.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
09:22 AM on 01/30/2012
There is NOTHING natural about the Cons. You see the root word of natural is nature.
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Planarama
Common sense will one day prevail.
09:29 AM on 01/30/2012
Not with 60% of the nation voting against them. A coalition or merged NDP / Liberal party would wallop the right in this nation.

Canada is, by its nature, a nation of compassionate social democrats. Accept it or keep lying to yourself.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
05:03 PM on 02/13/2012
Says you! And says 'Mr. Cullen!! I'm an NDP Member and how dare you attack Mr. Topp or ANYONE for vigorously disagreeing! We here in Quebec - gave you our vote - to GET RID OF THE LIBS (FIBS) AND THE BLOC! We DID Not - give Our "winner votes" to freaking bring them back!! And you Mr. Pirahna - are sounding like a 'dictator' by slurring Mr. Topp and NDP voters and Members and trying to FORCE us into submission! And if the freaking Party is unable to stand on its own Feet - then they are NOT QUALIFIED to Lead Our Country!!
09:27 PM on 01/29/2012
it was hardly "sparks" . why does the media always do this? It was more of a good discussion. And cullen said it's completely up to each individual riding association. But I guess that's too boring of a headline.
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
07:44 PM on 01/29/2012
The conservatives aren't traitors but the CRAPs are, as well as being thieves and liars.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
05:10 PM on 02/13/2012
Please stop sounding like a redneck Republican and Federal Liberal with these name calling attack posts. I thought and hoped NDP members were brighter than that & that's why I joined the Party. What matters (imho) is what The Party will do for the people of Canada, no? And this "Do anything to 'get rid of Harper" - campaign -- sure as heck is NOT Addressing any issue or questions - we have or may have. This kind of campaigning - as noted in the US - divides and destroys not only the political process - it divides and destroys the people. Please think about it :):)
Dinsdale Pirahna
"lookin' out the 'ole in the wall"
07:09 PM on 01/29/2012
The NDP and Liberals have an obligation and a duty to join up and wage war on the traitorous regime of Stephen Harper. After he is gone then you can sort out your differences. Otherwise neither party or the people of Canada are ever going to get rid of this dictator.
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colpy
07:37 PM on 01/29/2012
Let's see.....the NDP have taken the ILLEGAL (under the Clarity Act, and as ruled on by the SCOC) position that our country should be trashed on any fraudulent 50%+ 1 wote for Quebec's independence......

But the CONSERVATIVES are traitors.

Uh-huh.

The deluded convulsions of the leftist mind never cease to amaze me.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
12:12 PM on 02/15/2012
Bull, bull and more bull. What on earth do you mean by "obligation and duty to join up"? Where on earth did that come from anyway? It sure as hell wasn't in the NDP Platform and so what's created this Change - without consulting with us - the members and voters? Isn't this exact thing what you are accusing the Conservatives of? Please explain.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
07:06 PM on 01/29/2012
That would push even greater numbers of Canadians to the conservatives.
So ya, merge baby merge!!
12:55 AM on 01/30/2012
If Liberals and NDP dont have the numbers next year,think the merger is on,Warren.
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JackHoffman
Pundit
09:02 PM on 02/01/2012
How? Where's your math on this?
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CommonWealth-SinglePayer
Walk on the Right, VOTE on the LEFT
06:24 PM on 01/29/2012
NEVER join the spineless Liberals, one major reason why Canadians live in such a great country is that we have a real worker's party.
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colpy
07:34 PM on 01/29/2012
Thus proving my point, below......
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11:11 PM on 01/29/2012
Would that be the 'real workers' who create their own jobs or the 'workers' who 'need' that 'real worker' to create a job for him/her to work at? There's a real difference ya know.
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
06:21 PM on 01/29/2012
Talks of party mergers just makes me wish for proportional representation so that regardless of issue ultimately it requires a majority of MP votes to pass things through the House instead of party majorities or party short term alliances.

The minority government was pretty good at getting things most people agreed on through, but the constant threat of election wasn't exactly productive.

As far as the Liberal/NPD thing goes, odds are they'll lose without a merger; but on the other hand a merger would give them a shot at winning; despite the threats of people leaving the collation for the Conservatives, or whatever party is to the left of the NDP.
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colpy
05:06 AM on 01/30/2012
The preferential ballot is the answer.

Don't hold your breath.

Should have voted Reform, huh????
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Planarama
Common sense will one day prevail.
09:31 AM on 01/30/2012
I nominate you for Troll of the week.
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DidiM
Human 'being'
05:24 PM on 02/13/2012
Note** MP's MAY NOT vote on "Our Behalf" to Pass "Public Laws". Our Statutes Of Law Making Regulations - make that CRYSTAL CLEAR - to Protect Us from any sitting government, Party or MP etc.. from creating a "Dictatorship". Our MP's - somewhere along the line - declared themselves - as Our Voices and Illegally - without our knowledge or consent - overrode this Statute and thereby have grossly violated and abused their "Limited" Powers. Public Laws - may ONLY be introduced and/or amended and/or enacted - by the people of Canada - and with "Our Votes" and NOT the MP's. Denying us - our Public Law votes is in fact deemed a "criminal action" in the Statutes.
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colpy
05:51 PM on 01/29/2012
In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Conservative Party member.

Actually the idea of holding mutual nomination meetings in some ridings might work for the opposition. And it might not. But it is the very best (very thin) hope they have of beating Harper's Conservatives in 2015.

I do believe that such close co-operation between a party that most Canadians see as a little looney (the NDP) and one most Canadians see as arrogant has-beens (the Liberals) will drive a significant number of voters over the fence to the Conservatives. Certainly a full merging of the "left" would drive Liberal voters to the CPC in droves, and the left of the NDP to other fringe parties.

The planners need to remember that the support base of the Liberal Party is much closer philosophically to the Conservatives than they are to the NDP.

No matter what else, Mr. Cullen deserves a nod for actually attracting some attention to the NDP race and to the Party, as the media has been shamefully ignoring the official opposition in favour of the Liberals......
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Planarama
Common sense will one day prevail.
09:34 AM on 01/30/2012
If you are a Conservative Party member, why are you commenting on this story when it has nothing to do with your party except that it is about parties that opposed your party?

Despite what you may think with your trolling, you are not changing any minds. In fact, if anything, you are proof to most people that Right-wingers are narrow-minded ideologues who will bully and bend the rules just to get what what they think is right.

The problems is, what you see as right, is not what the majority of Canadians think is right. The majority of Canadians are scared of Right-wing policy.
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colpy
12:47 PM on 01/30/2012
Ahhh.....because I'm interested in Canadian politics.....of every party.

Not only politics, but policy, and political tactics.

I understand that you are one of those from the left that think everyone that does not agree with your twisted view is wicked......but I'm a little more tolerant.
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Mike vdB
Get involved, always question, don't just exist.
11:55 AM on 01/31/2012
I am a Liberal Party Member and I support colpy's right to comment. At least he was forthright in saying who he really was (unlike the crowd on ctv.ca). There is a bit of truth to his comments because being a Liberal, I am not as far left as the NDP. I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative and I have found a place in the Liberal Tent. If a merger was going to happen between the Libs and the NDP, I would have to reconsider who would be the best party to respresent me - either the new party or someone else. I can only hope that wouldn't be the Conservatives but what other option would I have? The Greens who are more left than the NDP?