Seniors Angered Over Talk Of Pension Cuts, NDP MP Says

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First Posted: 01/30/2012 12:43 pm Updated: 02/ 2/2012 9:35 am


The government isn't going to cut Old Age Security but will take a look at the "challenges" facing the retirement income system, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Monday.


Other ministers in the government, however, specified there wouldn't be cuts for anyone currently receiving OAS.


In the first question period since MPs left in December — and his first comments since suggesting last week there could be changes to Canada's retirement income system — Harper said there would be no cuts to the OAS.


"We will ensure our vital programs are sustainable in the long-term and for future generations," Harper said.


"The reality is that we aren’t cutting programs for seniors."


Last week in a speech in Davos, Switzerland, Prime Minister Stephen Harper hinted at possible changes to Old Age Security benefits. The ratio of workers to retired people will decline from four to one to two to one by 2030, leaving fewer people to fund OAS through their taxes.


In the speech, Harper said Canada's "demographics also constitute a threat to the social programs and services that Canadians cherish," but the Canada Pension Plan is fully funded and doesn't need to be changed.


"We have already taken steps to limit the growth of our health-care spending over that period," he said. "We must do the same for our retirement income system."


"For those elements of the system that are not funded, we will make the changes necessary to ensure sustainability for the next generation while not affecting current recipients."


Confusion over possibility of cuts


The brief mention about retirement income in Harper's speech left opposition parties speculating on what it could mean.


Opposition parties seized on the issue in question period Monday. They also took advantage of a scheduled debate on pooled registered retirement plans to rail against potential cuts.


Interim Liberal Leader Bob Rae said Harper has always promised not to cut transfers to the provinces or to people.


"It's a politics of abandonment because he's abandoning future generations of seniors, he's abandoning provinces with respect to their increased obligations, and let's not forget the fact that the majority of people on OAS, plus Guaranteed Income Supplement, are making less than $25,000 a year," Rae said.


"This is a direct statement saying that the future of this country is going to involve ... a bigger gap between rich and poor."


Earlier in the day, NDP caucus chair Peter Julian reminded Conservatives about the voting power of seniors.


Julian said the party is ready to fight the government on pensions and other issues over the next few months. He said the government didn't campaign on cutting or changing OAS in the last election, less than a year ago, and that it has to consider public opinion. Julian said seniors in his riding told him over the weekend they'd never vote Conservative again if they cut retirement income.


"For the Conservatives to say, 'we just don't care about public opinion for the next few years,' I think would be a primary mistake. I don't think they're that stupid," Julian said.


"Our job is to make sure that Canadians are aware that their points of view are being represented in the House of Commons," he said.


More seniors and middle-aged Canadians consistently turn out to vote in elections than younger Canadians.


"All seniors should rest assured those that are collecting OAS today will continue to collect it without any change. Our focus is on the medium- and the long-term and ensuring the sustainability of the system for 10 years, 20 years, 30 years from now," government House leader Peter Van Loan said Monday.


"For those who are retired today or approaching retirement, they can rest assured there will be no changes that will affect their benefits."


Greek problems cited


Van Loan said Canada needs to make changes now or risk an unstable economy.


"If you want to know what the consequences are, you only need to look to Greece," he said.


But Yanis Varoufakis, a professor of economics at the University of Athens, said that is "spectacularly wrong."


In an interview last week with the CBC's James Fitz-Morris, Varoufakis said if that was right, Germany should have serious sovereign debt problems and Ireland shouldn’t, but the reverse is true.


"The problem in Europe is not debt. Debt is a symptom," he said.


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03:50 AM on 01/31/2012
I`ve looked for where the news came from about the "pension cuts" that are supposed to be happening and the only people who seem to be talking about it is the NDP and Liberals, the government had said it looked at raising the age from 65 to 67 for OAP.- nowhere can I find a statement from the government about CPP.
Now, can someone point me in the right direction as to where I can find a statement made by a government member concerning cuts to CPP or OAP? and I mean a statement from someone in government!
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03:12 AM on 01/31/2012
Planes and prisons over people but don't worry if your indigent there will be a new law created to lock you up!
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Hal Wood
02:00 AM on 01/31/2012
This OAS will mainly affect people that do not live in Canada the ones who come here for the benefits and live in other countries. Most people who lived and worked in Canada will get their pensions as normal or wifes will get part of their husbands if they did not work.
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03:13 AM on 01/31/2012
Your so sure of that? Was that the talking point decided on at Reform HQ?
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Mike Keohane
12:54 AM on 01/31/2012
OAS isn't a pension, it's welfare and should axed entirely.

Speaking of welfare, check out the post below. We have Stephen Harper, the poster child for fiscal restraint, who has never worked a single day in his entire career at anything that was not paid for or funded by the government, at age 52 being fully qualified for a gold plated/diamond encrusted inflation indexed pension of mimimum $225,000 annually for the rest of his life. Pathetic.
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03:15 AM on 01/31/2012
James Moore I believe went straight from high school into the MP job...lol
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
11:29 PM on 01/30/2012
You really got to ask yourself why they are playing around with the small stuff and upsetting a bunch of seniors when they should be stopping this.
10. Michael Chong - $3,124,903 (2015 = $2,684,816)
9. Peter Van Loan - $3,194,114 (2015 = $2,462,029)
8. Rona Ambrose - $3,330,876 (2015 = $2,429,149)
7. Rob Anders - $3,643,873 (2015 = $3,034,089)
6. Denis Coderre - $3,701,989 (2015 = $3,288,821)
5. Scott Brison - $3,723,666 (2015 = $3,113,881)
4. James Moore - $3,795,386 (2015 = $2,893,658)
3. Gerry Byrne - $3,996,498 (2015 = $3,450,711)
2. Jason Kenney - $4,318,507 (2015 = $3,416,779)
1. Stephen Harper - $6,216,858 (2015 = $6,233,568)
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03:15 AM on 01/31/2012
Criminal
11:24 PM on 01/30/2012
Does anyone remember when Mulroony was elected and the very first thing that he tried to do was de-index the OAP. Seniors from all over Canada travelled to Ottawa and he had to back down.
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03:18 AM on 01/31/2012
V for Victory

Don't let the Redneck Reform steal your hard earned pension...Harper won't let you touch his dubiously gained gold plated pension.

http://petition.liberal.ca/oas-old-age-security-pension-retirement-benefits-cuts/
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Lou on Vancouver Island
Allin, Lou: Mystery Author
11:09 PM on 01/30/2012
Watch out, Canada. Harpo's been reading the GOP wish list. How I miss the Libs...and I'm with the NDP.
10:29 PM on 01/30/2012
This looks like just another example of Harper giving a hot issue to distract us. Can`t believe that we`re all falling for this one again. Keep your eye on the ball...
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sonoffestus
Got smart & got out!
11:50 PM on 01/30/2012
Too many balls to follow...... environmental degradation, military build up, private jails, corporate welfare, but yes, I hear you.
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03:19 AM on 01/31/2012
I hear the SD boots marching down the street to the next disabled persons house...off to jail for them..they cost money.
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temenos
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09:29 PM on 01/30/2012
Oh it's a cunning plan; reduce pensions forcing seniors to steal to survive thereby justifying the building of new prisons.
This is obviously a trial balloon to gauge public opposition. Don't trust Harper's denials. Be proactive and contact your MP and voice your objections to the possibility of cuts.
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Lou on Vancouver Island
Allin, Lou: Mystery Author
11:10 PM on 01/30/2012
Fanned from Vancouver Island for your bilingualism.
07:44 PM on 01/30/2012
"" I don't think they're that stupid," Julian said." Yes they are. Conservatives aren't called "the stupid party" for nothing. Dumb on crime, stupid on most everything else.
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sdgreen
07:09 PM on 01/30/2012
So what is the NDP plan? Oh I know, just raise taxation, The constant shrill from the Leftards is just throw more money at the issues as opposed to actually fixing the problem. Fact is that the OAS is unfunded and such deficit must be constantly re-funded. Fact, more people are working beyond age 65. Fact, the number of working taxpayers to fund government programs is getting smaller.

So the bottom line is that other needed programs will suffer unless some action is taken. Really, the Leftards have zero clue.
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07:17 PM on 01/30/2012
No its easy, cut spending. I am no NDPer, but doing what Australia is doing for starters = DO NOT BUY THE F-35. Stop spending hundreds of billions on junk driven by brainless ideology. Keep corporate taxes competitive at an advantageous level but don't give away the candy store.

Do this and your on your way to honoring your commitments.

Under Harper, he will live with 265,000 year in pension and his cats will eat better than most seniors!
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Lou on Vancouver Island
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11:11 PM on 01/30/2012
Under Harper, senior will be eating their cats. ;-((
08:40 PM on 01/30/2012
I'm guessing some of the other needed programs would be the F-15 fighters and the new prisons.
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Lou on Vancouver Island
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11:12 PM on 01/30/2012
Legalize pot and tax it....and maybe the churches. End of problem.
06:41 PM on 01/30/2012
How nice! Fifteen to 29 billion for new jet fighters so that we can participate in immoral adventures in places like Libya.But not enough money to maintain OAS for Canadian seniors.Yes ,Stephen Harper is now showing his true colours.But then, screwing seniors is nothing new for this crew.Remember income trusts?
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07:19 PM on 01/30/2012
Steven Harper learned that stealing from frail seniors is like stealing from babies only more lucrative!
06:37 PM on 01/30/2012
The government campaigned on well the economy was doing and now it's not? And it's gonna get fixed on the backs of seniors while corporations get another tax cut? I don't think so.

Getting seniors angry is a bad, bad idea for the Conservatives.
07:46 PM on 01/30/2012
But good for everyone else if it results in Harper getting tossed. I can hardly wait, worst PM in Canadian history.
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Lou on Vancouver Island
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11:13 PM on 01/30/2012
Double down on that from Vancouver Island! Libs, NDP, Greens, Bloq, please save us, anyone.
05:45 PM on 01/30/2012
Hey - do these MP cronies work for US or we for THEM?? What a pension system - they pay $1.00, we pay $23.00??!! MP pensions should be changed immediately, i.e. we contribute 1.00, they 23.00. OR, let's establish a pension amount for each elected 4/5 year term of, say, 10,000. Harper's pension is worth over 5 million if he takes it in 2015!! Yikes. These people are nothing but blood suckers and if Harper goes ahead with his old age increase from 65 to 67, say byebye byebye to another term. The trough is empty - get it!! Government employees must have a massive cut back, and many government programs must be slashed or cancelled, i.e. multiculturalism and creeping bilingualism (back to where numbers warrant), no extra pay to someone who is bilingual (read French-speaking) - just think of what we could save - pay down the debt, improve the transfer payments to the provinces for specific programs, i.e. medicare. Come on people, let's not be taken to the cleaners anymore. Let's write to our MPs and warn them that their days of yellow helicoptors, free lunches, first class trips and missions to Paris, etc. are OVER. ACCOUNTABILITY and full disclosure of expenditure of OUR money. Write to YOUR government and complain.
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04:42 PM on 01/30/2012
Either the Conservative Party of Canada failed to mention this OAS policy during the last election campaign as a deceitful betrayal of their supporters ...or they have just devised it & are managing our economic affairs on the back of an envelope.

Take your pick because either way we loose.
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sdgreen
07:11 PM on 01/30/2012
The OAS pension issue has been known for a very long time, but successive governments have done nothing to address the issue.