NDP Slide In Quebec Polls Continues Amid Leadership Race

Ndp Quebec Poll Leadership

The Huffington Post Canada   First Posted: 01/31/2012 6:17 am Updated: 01/31/2012 11:15 am

The NDP nosedive in Quebec shows no signs of slowing down.

With a steep drop in support among francophones, the New Democrats are now only one or two points ahead of their main rivals in the province, where more than half of the NDP’s 101 MPs were elected in May 2011.

Two recent surveys, one by Nanos Research for CTV and The Globe and Mail and the other by Léger Marketing for Le Devoir and the Montreal Gazette, indicate the New Democrats continue to bleed support in the battleground province.

The Nanos poll found the NDP to be sitting at 29 per cent support, compared to 27 per cent for the Liberals and 24 per cent for the Bloc Québécois. The larger Léger poll pegged NDP support at 28 per cent, with the Bloc at 27 per cent and the Liberals at 22 per cent.

Though the order of the top three may not be clear, all signs point to an emerging three-way race in Quebec.

If there is a silver lining to be found for the New Democrats, it is that they are still the leading party in both of these surveys. However, the margins are small enough that they are statistically insignificant and a one to two point lead is a far cry from the 20 point edge the NDP held over the Bloc on election night last year.

The NDP is still in the midst of a leadership race, while the the Bloc settled on Daniel Paillé in December and Bob Rae has ensconced himself as Liberal leader. This disadvantage, however, is not as clear cut as it may seem. Daniel Paillé has had difficulty getting himself into the media spotlight and Nycole Turmel is a francophone Quebecer, unlike her interim counterpart Bob Rae.

It is also not a sure bet that once the New Democrats choose their next leader that their voters will come back into the fold. An Abacus Data survey from last week found that more than one quarter of Quebecers had not heard of any of the NDP’s eight leadership contenders. With the exception of Thomas Mulcair, no leadership candidate had name recognition over one-third in the province.

Nevertheless, if the NDP can hold on to a lead of any size in Quebec it will give the party's next leader an opportunity to regain lost support. At the same time, a narrow margin could easily disappear if the person chosen to head the New Democrats makes even one misstep.

Compared to mid-December, when both Léger and Nanos were in the field, the New Democrats have slid between four and five points. Both the Liberals and the Bloc have taken advantage, with the BQ gaining between one and four points and the Liberals between four and five.

In the Léger poll, the New Democrats have slipped seven points among francophones to fall to 26 per cent, eight points behind the Bloc. This is the first lead the Bloc has registered among this important demographic since the election. The Liberals, meanwhile, seem to have recovered support in and around Montreal where they stand at 26 per cent, clumped together with the NDP (30 per cent) and the Bloc (28 per cent).

The Liberals and Bloc have not feasted on NDP support alone – the Conservatives are down between three and six points in the province since mid-December.

Quebec is still very much at play. Though the province’s voters have already shown they can swing violently from one party to another in a matter of days, that kind of volatility cannot be taken for granted. A voter lost today may be lost for good.

Éric Grenier taps The Pulse of federal and regional politics for Huffington Post Canada readers on most Tuesdays and Fridays. Grenier is the author of ThreeHundredEight.com, covering Canadian politics, polls, and electoral projections.

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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
11:08 PM on 02/02/2012
Lets see if |i have this right:
Most Quebecers are lefties.
The Bloc is socialist.
Quebec Liberals are shut out as being *to progressive* from the Federal Liberals.
Quebec has 50 seats out of our 305 or so.

How many times do you need to be slapped? Combien de temps avez-vous besoin pour être imposé? A bit of pride here, really.
10:39 AM on 02/02/2012
The only way the "Harper Government" will be run out is if The NDP and the Liberals join up just like the Reform Party and the PC did. The combination of the best MP's from the NDP and the Liberals with the bilingual Bob Ray as the leader could do very well in 2015.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
01:23 PM on 02/02/2012
Well that's never going to happen, but there is a second option:

Rather than a full merger, there can be a Progressive Coalition where the two parties agree to not run in certain seats where the other party is likely to take the seat from a Cons if the progressive vote is not split... It's really fairly simple to do, but would require full cooperation on the part of both parties.. I live in a riding where the Liberal MP of 8yrs was voted out by less than 1000 votes and the NDP got roughly 6000 votes; Case in Point. If the NDP had an agreement to not run, we'd have one less CON in the house. Similarily, there are seats where the NDP lost narrowly thanks to a few thousand Liberal votes.
Skeptics will say the average Liberal voter is more centrist than the average NDPer, but there's no doubt that in many cases the Cons would be voted out if there were only one progressive alternative.
03:18 PM on 02/02/2012
I think that after the last election (and based on your correct assumption that the Liberals and the NDP split many ridings only to have the PC nominee slip in) Center Left, Undecided, moderate Conservatives would form a nucleus that a Joint NDP, Liberal coalition would be welcomed. I firmly believe that Liberal and NDP followers have come closer to sharing a majority of ideas and achievable reforms and ideology to get together and get our Country back from the current malevolent "Harper Government" If the Reform party and the Conservatives got together I don't see why we can't do the same. The reality of a two party system a la U.S. for Canada seems like the only solution to get the majority choice elected and to keep fringe parties like the Bloc and the Green and the Rhinoceros etc parties from splitting the vote and ruining the true voice of the people.
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11:50 AM on 02/01/2012
Turmel has been a valuable MP, to the Liberals.
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Spanky McFarlane
ILLEGITIMUS NON CARBORUNDUM.
02:55 AM on 02/01/2012
Trumel = 'Angry Bird' ?

(lol)
12:04 AM on 02/01/2012
If they are anything like the NDP party in the Yukon they might as well close their door. Do they know how to spell LOSER?
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
09:52 PM on 01/31/2012
Unless they cross the floor they are still the mute opposition. You need six years in a MP position to collect a pension. Thank God.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
09:45 PM on 01/31/2012
The Bloc should just give up their pipe dream of independence and vote NDP on a Federal level.
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
05:09 PM on 01/31/2012
They have a few years to get things together, and there's a few years for the Conservatives to make some more mistakes along the way. If history is any indication though, the Conservatives will probably win the next election and possibly the next one after that; simply because repairing the damage done to a party takes a lot of time.

At the same time it's not that the Conservative party is entirely stable itself, since it's been moving towards the center for the past few years and the right wing extremities of the party have been expressing itself against Harper's own policies and message. There's a chance that the united right-wing simply fragments back into two or three parties again. Which is likely what will happen if the daggers come out for Harper, and likely would have happened if Harper had lost the last election.
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tnanimation
07:15 PM on 01/31/2012
' If history is any indication though, the Conservati­ves will probably win the next election and possibly the next one after that; simply because repairing the damage done to a party takes a lot of time.'
Couldn't disagree more. 3 years is an eternity in politics and the Tories have already run through the '11 Things' they promised to do in the election. At this point, it's pure cornfed reform party ideas and the rest of the country (outside of Alberta) will not stand for it. Conservative polling numbers are slowly dropping in Ontario and in the Maritimes (not likely they'll get many votes in Quebec since they do see to poke Quebec in the eye every chance they get).
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
09:54 PM on 01/31/2012
Yes I think I would have to agree. I wish they would change the OAS on the last year of their mandate.
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ProgressiveCDN
A Progressive Moderate
01:33 PM on 02/02/2012
Ingredients for Change:
1) Crazy right-wing ideologues running this country's economy into the ground (see B. Mulroney)
2) A charismatic, pragmatic and straight-talking federal Liberal leader
3) A horribly unpopular and far-left NDP leader

One of these three ingredients is pretty much a guarantee... the last 2 will decide whether Harper's Cons continue to mess up our country
09:03 AM on 02/01/2012
Now that the Tories have scrapped the long-gun registry and run through all of their election promises, they're basically out of political gas, which means they can either play it safe and coast for the next three years (which will lead to them being remembered as a pack of do-nothings), or try to regain momentum by pursuing an agenda that reveals their true colours.

This isn't a party that's moved anywhere near the centre. It's a party that has done and is doing its best to import Tea Party-style conservatism from the United States. They've got their coveted 39% "majority" and free license to do whatever they want for the next 3 years, so you can bet it's not a milder, more moderate Conservative Party we're going to see rear its head.

This also isn't a party that has much hope of winning another election in the next decade. Canadians voted them in last time under the mistaken belief they would be more capable of navigating stormy economic times than the Liberals (let's just say the Tories aren't going to be leaving their successors a surplus, like the surplus they inherited from the Liberals). But the more time they have to run their far-right ideological steamroller over the popular will of Canadians (such as by railroading through a plan to build jails we don't need despite massive national opposition), the more they're going to wear out their already very tenuous welcome.
04:57 PM on 01/31/2012
After sending a letter(email) to the government(federal Conservatives), copied to the Liberals and NDP . Turmel responded within 24 hrs (not with a form letter). Two weeks have passed and there has been no response whatsoever from the Liberals or Conservatives. This speaks volumes for me.
04:15 PM on 01/31/2012
ET, yes Nicole Turmel NDP, yes she looks like ET . She could not organize anything anywhere even if she was led by both hands. And that accent of hers !! So annoying !! The NDP's have been over fried ever since she's been there. Go Harper, go !!
08:41 PM on 01/31/2012
Quite a revealing comment. No substance; only namecalling and bigotry.
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Tyler Austin
Women = people. Corperations ≠ people.
09:42 PM on 01/31/2012
Keep it classy.
03:37 PM on 01/31/2012
NDP QC one-off- next election natural governing party back
not as many yahoos as harper thinks
dumbing down has a bottom
bob rae fine by me
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Henk Bos
04:04 PM on 01/31/2012
Bob Rae ? You mean Bob "bankrupt" Rae. The legacy of Mr Rae will always tarnish his reputation as a disastrous fiscal manager. Also Mr Rae has the dubious honour of been the prorogue king of Canada, and also failing to submit a provincial budget when required under Ontario law when he was premier.
The unfortunately the Tories have already lined him up.
One hope for the Liberals and that is they have Justin Trudeau.
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Warren Yuill
Jesus Built My Hot-Rod
02:16 PM on 01/31/2012
The Liberals and NDP just don't seem to get it.
They've both had long enough to get their act together and elect a party leader.
Neither of them is anywhere near doing that.
So.....
Here we are in a brand new session of parliment with no clear message and no personality to rally around.
The Harper government is preparing some sweeping legislation and the Liberal/NDP party faithfull see nobody standing up representing their viewpoint.
Both interm leaders are simply warming chairs.
The truly negative consequence is a large percentage of the population feels alienated from the process and are less likely to stay involved in the process.
The weakness displayed by both parties erodes voter confidence and manifests itself in some fairly unreasonable attacks and criticisms on the Conservatives.
Especially when they are doing pretty much what they said they were gonna do.
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opprobrious
More speech. Less Flagging.
02:12 PM on 01/31/2012
Terrible interim leader but any belief that things will improve under a permanent leader will depend upon that leader. Jack will be a hard act to follow.
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Henk Bos
04:06 PM on 01/31/2012
Unfortunately when Jack left the builing"bless his soul" the NDP is not to far behind!
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dread
01:50 PM on 01/31/2012
Like most Canadians I liked Jack Layton but his choice for interim leader was bad, bad, bad. They have to get her out and a real leader in asap.