Omnibus Crime Bill: Senate Begins Hearings On Legislation Tories Say Needs Amendments

Omnibus Crime Bill Canada

First Posted: 02/ 1/2012 2:06 pm Updated: 02/ 1/2012 7:08 pm

OTTAWA - The Conservative government's massive new crime bill is getting a sober second look from the Senate, and the controversial legislation is expected to see government-sponsored changes.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson and Public Safety Minister Vic Toews testified Wednesday to kick off 11 days of public hearings, which under normal circumstances would get a rubber stamp from the Tory-dominated Senate committee on legal and constitutional affairs.

"Canadians deserve to feel safe in their homes and that means violent criminals need to be off the streets," Nicholson told the committee.

But in the Harper majority's haste to push the crime bill through Parliament last fall, some specific flaws were overlooked by the House of Commons committee charged with examining the legislation in detail.

Liberal Irwin Cotler, a former justice minister, had repeatedly pointed out ways to broaden the bill so that terrorism victims and their families could sue state sponsors of terror.

Late last November, Toews ended up attempting to introduce similar changes after Conservative MPs on the committee doing a clause-by-clause review repeatedly voted down the Liberal proposals.

But the Speaker ruled that Toews' amendments should have been made at committee, leaving it to the Senate to mop up the mess.

Nicholson confirmed Wednesday that the Senate will be asked to make amendments on the terrorism aspect of the bill.

But it's not likely other more contentious parts of the legislation will change, despite some extremely pointed questions from Liberal senators Wednesday.

The government's omnibus Bill C-10 combines nine different pieces of legislation covering a wide range of issues.

In addition to new provisions for victims of terrorism, the bill creates new mandatory minimum sentences for drug crimes and child sex crimes, sharply reduces the use of house arrest, toughens the treatment of young offenders and those seeking criminal pardons, and gives the government new discretion on handling the cases of Canadians jailed outside the country.

Joan Fraser, the Liberal vice-chairman of the Senate committee, questioned why the new bill provides longer mandatory minimum sentences for trafficking in as few as six marijuana plants than for some child molestation crimes.

"It seems to me that any sex offence against a child is more serious than growing six pot plants," Fraser told Nicholson.

The minister failed to explain how the government came up with the differing mandatory minimums, but did suggest that drug traffickers are "in the business of destroying people's lives."

George Baker, another Liberal senator, said the bill as written could convict him of trafficking for offering Nicholson — who was clearly labouring with a bad cold — a prescription medicine with codeine.

"Where is the fail-safe here?" asked Baker.

"Are we expecting the police not to prosecute when the trafficking is of a relatively minor nature? Trafficking is trafficking."

Nicholson responded that each case has its own set of facts, suggesting "there must be a substantive amount" of drugs involved.

Nonetheless, he told Baker: "I would suggest to you if you've got pills with codeine, you be very careful with those."

The Conservatives promised in last spring's election to pass the massive crime bill within 100 sitting days of Parliament, a self-imposed deadline that gives them until mid-March to make good.

Debate was limited in the Commons last fall and the committee examining the bill raced through its work.

"They didn't listen to experts, they didn't listen to people who knew about the flaws and the problems with the bill," MP Jack Harris, the party's justice critic, said Wednesday.

"Now they're in the Senate trying to patch together the bill. They're still not listening to reason when it comes to their approach to criminal justice and we're still going to get a flawed bill when it's all over."

Critics of the bill cite falling crime rates and say the cost of increased incarceration will be enormous, while rehabilitation and reintegration of convicts falls through the cracks.

The government believes tougher laws will further protect Canadians and hold criminals accountable. Toews noted Wednesday that, under changes enacted to date, the number of people in jail has not climbed as quickly as critics had predicted.

"I think it's really a justification of the philosophy we're putting forward, which is that we're not creating new criminals," said Toews.

"We're simply keeping the guys who are always back out on the street, pressuring the system, the police, the courts ... these guys are staying in."

The issue of victims suing perpetrators of terror has been on the legislative radar for years.

Cotler, as justice minister, had a bill dealing with the issue on the order paper in 2006, shortly before the Liberal government fell.

"One of my first actions was to go to the then minister of public security Stockwell Day and say to him, 'Stockwell, here's a bill that I would have presented had we not lost the election. I'd like your government to now take it up,'" Cotler recounted last fall.

He has directly lobbied Toews to make the changes.

"For the first time in our history, victims of terror will have a civil remedy against their terrorist perpetrators," Cotler said in November.

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  • Key Measures In Tory Crime Bill

    The bill, known as the Safe Streets and Communities Act, includes the following measures: <em>With files from The Canadian Press</em> (CP/Alamy)

  • Child Sex Offences

    Heftier penalties for sexual offences against children. The bill also creates two new offences aimed at conduct that could facilitate or enable the commission of a sexual offence against a child. (MANAN VATSYAYANA/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Drugs

    Tougher sentences for the production and possession of illicit drugs for the purposes of trafficking. (NICOLAS ASFOURI/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Violent And Young Offenders

    Tougher penalties for violent and repeat young offenders. (JOHN MACDOUGALL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Conditional Sentences

    An end to the use of conditional sentences, or house arrest, for serious and violent crimes (GEOFF ROBINS/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Parole Hearings

    Allowing victims to participate in parole hearings. (THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld)

  • Pardons

    Extending ineligibility periods for applications for pardons to five years from three for summary-conviction offences and to 10 years from five for indictable offences. (Flickr: haven't the slightest)

  • Transferring Canadian Offenders

    Expanding the criteria that the public safety minister can consider when deciding whether to allow the transfer of a Canadian offender back to Canada to serve a sentence. (JOEL ROBINE/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Terror Victims

    Allowing terrorism victims to sue terrorists and their supporters, including listed foreign states, for losses or damages resulting from an act of terrorism committed anywhere in the world.(STRDEL/AFP/Getty Images)

  • Human Trafficking

    Measures to prevent human trafficking and exploitation. (LOUISA GOULIAMAKI/AFP/Getty Images)

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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
baizhongtang
Reality has an anti-neoliberal agenda
05:28 PM on 02/02/2012
It's the good 'ol british/anglo-saxon approach to justice:
Order above all,
People can be thrown away (especially the poor people),
All criminals are the same,
You shouldn't get a chance to change your ways if you commit a crime,
Rehabilitation wastes money that could be used to help the rich,
Pot=hippie=lazy=bad for the economy,
Young people are dangerous, must be disciplined, controlled and punished at the first sign of marginality and independent thought,
Father knows best,
Empathy and compassion are for the weak...between this, pollution and impoverishment, Canada is starting to look and feel like England in those Dickens novels...no need to worry though, Harper will probably make such books illegal soon, since they fosters socialist revolutionary ideas like social justice...YAY Canada!
04:07 PM on 02/02/2012
90 days for flashing a kid in a public place,6 months for growing 6 pot plants.we should all be ashamed that this government thinks some pot head is more dangeruos than someone flashing a kid.
03:12 PM on 02/02/2012
how many violent criminals are we talking about ---------with all this fanfare ------

put the number out there so rational people can make a rational assessment -----the way it looks right now, it is a good thing for olsen or the tories would have no where to point the finger
03:09 PM on 02/02/2012
"Canadians deserve to feel safe in their homes and that means violent criminals need to be off the streets," Nicholson told the committee.

in the 2009 tand 2010 period stats can says 16,000 violent crimes were committed ---8000 each year -------

what are the odds you in your home would be affected by any of those ------miniscule if any at all.
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cwebster
predominantly exasperated
01:52 AM on 02/03/2012
I already feel safe in my home.
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piceaglauca
The picture says it all....
08:50 PM on 02/01/2012
We need this so badly. It is so frustrating listening to people complaining about their own inabilty to control themselves then they get placed on a no fly list to the US. Who cares. Control yourself, obey the countries laws or get proactive become involved with the political process and speak out. No, that won't happen since that will reveal disclosure. Have some other idiot do it.
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Kristopher Leang
training to take down the elite
09:30 PM on 02/01/2012
ummm thats the problem people who "behave themselves" get places on no fly lists all the time (and then sent to their country to be tortured). or have you been ignoring facts again?

yaa they are an idiot because they decided to to make their life and career based around being on a no fly list. your posts get funnier and funnier and more insane everytime
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JackHoffman
Pundit
08:12 PM on 02/01/2012
When will Canadians realize that this is just the precursor to privatization of the correctional system. It's coming as is it is to the health system. Look south. Wake up. The Tea Party (Reform Party) is in charge in Canada.
07:17 PM on 02/01/2012
We do not need this at all. Waste of money! Worst Prime Minister ever!