Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu: Tory Senator Suggests Rope In Cell, Prisoners Can Hang Themselves

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First Posted: 02/ 1/2012 11:17 am Updated: 02/ 2/2012 8:49 am

OTTAWA - A Conservative senator backed off slightly on an unconventional proposal Wednesday for reducing prison costs: give serial murderers a rope and let them decide whether to hang themselves.

"Basically, every killer should (have) the right to his own rope in his cell. They can decide whether to live," Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu said, referring to people who "had no hope of rehabilitation."

A few hours later, after an outcry from the opposition and a flurry of media interest, Boisvenu issued a statement saying the comment was inappropriate and that he withdrew it.

Yet later in the day, he said it should apply to only "three or four guys."

The comment about hanging came on the same day an awareness campaign was launched on youth mental health, in memory of young Ottawa suicide victim Daron Richardson. There have also been a number of recent, high-profile prison suicides in Quebec.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper distanced himself from the remarks, but said he understood Boisvenu's feelings. Boisvenu became a prominent victims' rights advocate after his daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered in 2002. Harper appointed him to the Senate two years ago.

"We all understand that Sen. Boisvenu and his family have suffered horribly in the past and, obviously, I think we understand his emotions in that regard," Harper said during the House of Commons question period.

Boisvenu, who often speaks on behalf of the government on crime-and-punishment issues, did not withdraw other comments he made during the same conversation with reporters.

Boisvenu said that new immigrants to Canada who come from countries where honour killing or "non-Canadian" values are present should be more carefully screened before being allowed entry.

The senator was referring to the recent conviction of the Shafias — the three Montrealers convicted in the murders of four female members of the family.

"Not capital punishment, but I think sending them back to their country would be a worse sentence than keeping them in our prisons, where the comfort is much better than over there," Boisvenu said.

And late Wednesday he reiterated his belief that the worst offenders should be given "responsibility for his life."

"What I said was guys who will be 35 or 50 years in jail, he should have the responsibility of his life. That's what I said," Boisvenu told reporters outside a Senate hearing.

"For a guy like (Clifford) Olsen, who will be a long time in jail without any possibility of parole, he should have the responsibility about what he do (sic) with his life."

"I don't say that about the 5,000 people that are in jail and have committed a homicide," Boisvenu added. "I'm talking about three or four guys."

This was not the first time Boisvenu has strayed from the government's carefully scripted message on justice issues.

In an interview with The Canadian Press in 2010 about the long-gun registry, he said the number of hunters in Quebec was declining because of the increasing numbers of single mothers who weren't passing on the tradition.

He went further in his logic, saying that fewer hunters meant more car accidents.

Fewer hunters "has a direct impact on the number of accidents on the road because deer hit cars."

Boisvenu also made waves last fall when he called Quebec "soft on crime," in the wake of a debate between the province and Ottawa over the omnibus crime bill.

Around the same time, he incurred the wrath of the Quebec Bar Association when he told a Radio-Canada show that the organization was against the crime bill because most of its members were defence lawyers.

"Those people say they're against legislation that affects their clientele and that's completely normal," he said at the time.

Boisvenu is not alone. A number of other Conservative parliamentarians have slowly begun to take positions on issues different from those of the government.

Fellow Sen. Pierre Claude Nolin refused to vote for the government's omnibus crime bill because of penalties related to growing marijuana plants.

On Wednesday, Nolin did not get a chance to question Public Safety Minister Vic Toews and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson at a senate committee due to time constraints, prompting him to shout at the departing Toews: "You're afraid, minister!"

Last fall, five Tory MPs abstained rather than vote against a NDP motion that would have banned the export of asbestos. Some publicly revealed their misgivings about the trade in asbestos.

Ontario MP Stephen Woodworth has called for a public debate on abortion, and his colleague Brad Trost said earlier this week that more Conservatives should feel free to speak their minds.

"It's a good thing he's speaking out for something he stands for," Trost said of Boisvenu on Wednesday. "It actually proves the point that when MPs want to, we can actually take the freedom to do it."

Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae said Boisvenu can no longer continue to be an official spokesman for the Harper government on its tough-on-crime agenda.

"I don't see how anybody can be a spokesman for the Conservative party in the Senate on justice issues when you've made a statement like that. It's just completely out of line."

Both Rae and interim NDP leader Nycole Turmel said Boisvenu should withdraw from the Senate committee examining the government's omnibus crime bill.

Boisvenu said he'd like to see more debate on the death penalty in Canada, but he noted that the Harper government has made it clear it has no intention of reopening the discussion.

"Under certain circumstances, I think we could reopen the debate," he said, while playing down the possibility that such a thing might happen.

— With files from Bruce Cheadle

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AKQueenie
No such thing as coincidence, just synchronicity.
02:36 PM on 02/02/2012
I hate to say this, but he does have a point. No need to keep killers alive, esp if they admit to their crime.

But this just solidifies the fact that prisoners have a lot more `freedom` than the average citizen. Free food, cloths, tv, internet, telephone, work-out time and now the choice to live or not.

I only am jaded as I have to watch my mother die slowly from a disease that the government doesn`t want to fund, even though there is potentally a cure for her. See, if she gets better, the pharmaceuticals won`t make any money off her, and her enevitable death could happen in 10+ very long and very prosperus (only for Rx, of course) years.

So, Canadian government, go ahead and decide who should live and die. My mother of 3 childern, a wife, a friend. Or a waste of society. It will be (and always has been) up to you.
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Steve Karmazenuk
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11:41 AM on 02/02/2012
I just wish we could see the hamster wheel in his head churning out these ridiculously stupid statements that get vomited forth from his mouth.
10:08 AM on 02/02/2012
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A few hours later, after an outcry from the opposition and a flurry of media interest, Boisvenu issued a statement saying the comment was inappropriate and that he withdrew it.
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translation for those that don't speak 'conservative-ease'

"we ran quick telephone polling and it seems canadians aren't in favour of capital punishment just yet, so we told the senator to back off his statement - oh well, we'll try again in a few months, after all we have a majority"
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09:26 AM on 02/02/2012
He wanted prisoners to have more rights than citizens. We all have the right to end our own lives if so we wish. Nothing belongs to us more than our very selves.
09:18 AM on 02/02/2012
i wonder if this senators views were the result of the family issue or if he held them long before the issue arose
08:08 AM on 02/02/2012
This is another one of Harpers political pawns. The man has suffered through a horrible crime that he will never fully recover from. Boisvenu will continue to say inappropriate things and people will have to remember that he has been a victim of one of the worst crimes a parent will ever survive.
It is a win win for Harper he gets this man to throw out ridiculous comments about what we should be doing to criminals (yes that teenager that grew the 6 pot plants) to make their lives more miserable
07:54 AM on 02/02/2012
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits."
I am not a religious person but the above reference came to mind when I heard about the recommendation that this senator made regarding the provision of a rope for certain class of prisoners the purpose of which rope was to enable suicide.
This man is a Canadian senator. He has been appointed by the Harper government. There is truth in the old saying that you know about someone by the work they do and the 'fruit' that result therefrom. Harper has a lot to answer for ....
That this senator uses his office to vent hatred and vengeance that flow from a personal tragedy; that he uses his authority and position to propose supra-legal measures as a form of punishment, retribution, vendetta or cost saving is reprehensible; that he is contemptuous of the tragedy of others belies his capacity to act as a member of the senate wherein sober second reflection ought to be promoted.
Who is this Harper appointee? Tough on crime eh?
Does Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu's drumbeating for further contempt and disregard from criminals not suggest a moral crime in itself? I am ashamed of our government and wonder why more people are not speaking out. Clearly Sen. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu ought to be censured and made to resign his position for which he is not suited or fit.
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Progressives think 'We' while cons think "Me"
02:06 PM on 02/02/2012
Well said!

Democratic societies do not normally appoint the direct victim of a crime to form criminal policy.
This regime seems compelled to move in that direction.

F & F.
03:40 AM on 02/02/2012
Unsuitable comments but who can blame him for his bias
07:59 AM on 02/02/2012
we all have trajedy in the family or close by -----we try to rise above it ------

and not become sludge at the bottom of the pond
02:23 AM on 02/02/2012
So now a member of the "tough on time" Conservative Party is advocating assisted suicide, which, last time I checked, is still illegal in Canada. Why is it still illegal? Because the same "right-to-life" crowd that wants to ban abortion also opposes euthanasia, even when it's voluntarily requested by people suffering from terminal, painful, and debilitating diseases. So the new CPC line on euthanasia, I guess, is that it's not okay to facilitate a voluntary request from a dying cancer patient, but it's okay to forcibly provide a means of suicide to a healthy but incarcerated person whether they want it or not.

This is what happens when Tories are let off the very short leash the PMO tries to keep them on. An unmuzzled Tory is a ticking time bomb just waiting to explode with some type of grossly inflammatory remark. As they say, give someone enough rope...
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09:27 AM on 02/02/2012
There there, why give prisoners rights that citizens are not allowed???
The CPC has its priorities screwed up.
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01:34 AM on 02/02/2012
Funny how these tough on crime Conservatives don't even know squat about what actually is a crime. This Senator just committed one, guess he'll be joining Tom Flanagan in pinstripes soon. Oh yeah, crime only pays when you aren't in power...
10:19 PM on 02/01/2012
stats can 2009/2010

71,000 crimes required prison terms

16,000 violent crimes
23,000 property crimes
27,000 justice admin(traffic ,drugs and juvenile)
4,000other

of the 27,000 for justice admin 15,000 were traffic related ---impaired etc

16,000 violent crimes -----15,000 vehicular crimes required jail time

23,000 crimes against PROPERTY vs 16,000 crimes against the PERSON

for this the tories have their knickers in a knot
09:41 PM on 02/01/2012
Granted his English was breaking up on that sentence, but is he unaware that Clifford Olson died in September?
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Bec DeCorbeau
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08:37 PM on 02/01/2012
It is clear that the Conservatives cherish the death penalty but they know that this is something risky. So what better than to use one of their "loose cannons" and let the rabbit out of the hat to see the reactions. It works because if you look at the number of comments on this page it is impressive and even the discussion is initiated on the main subject: the death penalty. It has the merit of throwing the ball and start the discussion ...

The Conservatives are masters of these trial balloons. PM Harper just started another one in Davos about the OAS, to feel the pulse of the public. They will do things like that especially during the first and possibly the 2nd year of their majority and they will act on it immediately so that in the upcoming elections in over four years or less, it will be forgotten and they can expect a another majority.
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Bec DeCorbeau
Le langage de l'invisible est le silence
10:03 PM on 02/01/2012
...and maintaining a strong militant base in the process.
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Bec DeCorbeau
Le langage de l'invisible est le silence
10:06 PM on 02/01/2012
... I forgot, the abortion trial balloons. What else...
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07:54 PM on 02/01/2012
Wow, reading the comments is disappointing and discouraging in regards to the future of the human race...
Many of you have compassion for this thug because his family went through difficult times, but have none for the prisoners. Prisoners are also human beings, which apparently many of you decided should be just thrown away because they don't want to respect the arbitrary rules that the powerful put in place for us (and don't respect themselves).
So many would like the death penalty back (or deportation) because prisoners cost money...but are ok with companies getting enormous profit margins for their goods.
Most will say all life is precious or sacred...unless it's the life of a prisoner, a pedophile or a terrorist in Afghanistan...or an animal that stands in the way of oil production.
Many say "Don't come to my country and commit crimes", but borders are artificial creations, just like crime, nations...and human rights.
We like to stand up proud, here in the "true north" (lower case voluntary), but don't want to pay the high price of our high moral ground....being hypocrites is not free, lies cost money to maintain.
We believe that order and homogeneity is so important that it must be enforced by law and force, but we complain that prisons cost money...boohoo!
Shame on you!
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08:58 PM on 02/01/2012
I don't feel spending the money on Paul Bernardo is worth it. I think the money could be better spent on incarcerated individuals you would benefit from programs that would help them But, as you said he is a human being. I suppose also being incarcerated for the rest of his life as was the case for Clifford Olsen and Picton will be a challenge in itself. I still am in favour of the c-10 bill and have no concern for the drug users. When I think of friends of mine who got caught up in the drug trade and lost their lives to other's greed, the more we can do to lock them up the better.

This is just one more reason to deal with it:

An eighth death in southern Alberta has been linked to an ecstasy-like drug.

In all cases the victim thinks they are taking ecstasy — methylenedioxymethamphetamine, known as MDMA — but the drug actually contains high levels of paramethoxymethamphetamine (PMMA), a notoriously toxic amphetamine that is often called “Death.”

On the street, MDMA is often called ecstasy, usually referring to branded pills and sometimes thought to be a "dirtier" version of MDMA, containing other unknown substances.

RCMP released details Tuesday of a 38-year-old Red Deer man who died Dec. 10. The "dominant" drug in the man's system was PMMA.
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01:24 AM on 02/02/2012
"I don't feel spending the money on Paul Bernardo is worth it." - that's fine, but for every Bernardo there is a David Milgaard...

"I still am in favour of the c-10 bill and have no concern for the drug users."
- not sure here, but I think you mean drug dealers.

FYI, most people who do MDMA are recreational drug users who probably found out about the drug when they went to pick up some weed and just happened to have to do that at drug dealer's place because the archaic world our politicians bury their heads in. Not that you'd understand many of the complexities of society but just an FYI.
08:01 AM on 02/02/2012
well if that is your logic alcohol consumption should now be enforced as a criminal offense. More people die every year from the use of alcohol than any other drug. All because it is legal does not make it safe. Not even talking about the drunk driving that occurs just about the break down of the body and the damage it inflicts on families.
07:22 PM on 02/01/2012
Common sense Man. He is more credible when you know what he has lived through. I agree with his comments. Not so radical. He never said the perps of the crime that victimized his family and life should be executed. If they want to end it, who are we to stop them? No one slags Kevorkian around here.
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01:31 AM on 02/02/2012
"Not so radical."

LOL, not so radical. Here is a breakdown of Conservative notion of radical and normal.

Normal - advocating for assassinating independent international journalists. see Tom Flanagan, Harper's old master.
Radical - advocating for proper environmental and public consultation on massive and complex oil pipelines.
Normal - allowing Sinopec, a state-run Chinese oil company buy up Alberta oil sand property and lobby for major pipelines and tanker traffic to help the product flow.
Radical - American environmentalists who help support proper environmental and public consultation process on massive and complex oil pipelines.
Normal - A fear-mongering Stephen Harper rambling on about how "Iran frightens him."
Radical - Trading with Iran. Unless you are Sinopec, who makes most trade embargoes pointless...

Now, common sense. The Harper Government is tough on common sense.