HIV Positive Canadians: Supreme Court To Decide If Sex Partners Must Be Told Of Condition

Hiv Supreme Court Disclosure

First Posted: 02/ 5/2012 6:00 am Updated: 02/ 5/2012 3:53 pm

WINNIPEG - Canada's highest court is set to hear arguments over whether it's a crime for people with HIV to keep their condition from their sexual partners if the risk of transmission is low.

Supreme Court justices are to hear two cases Wednesday — appeals from the provinces of Manitoba and Quebec — that hinge on the obligations of those with the virus that causes AIDS.

Prosecutors argue people carrying HIV must always inform their partners regardless of the risks of transmission. That way partners can decide if they want to run the risk of contracting the virus.

Advocates supporting people with HIV argue that such thinking criminalizes carriers of the virus and doesn't acknowledge the science that can determine the likelihood of transmission.

All are looking to the Supreme Court to clarify the law and update a high court ruling from 1998 which has been interpreted differently by judges across the country ever since.

"There is a high level of uncertainty among people living with HIV regarding when they are required under the criminal law to disclose their HIV-positive status," said Cecile Kazatchkine, policy analyst with the Canadian HIV/AIDS Legal Network.

"The uncertainty in the law is creating great fear in the community. People need to know what could put them at risk of prosecutions."

One of the cases involves Clato Mabior, a Winnipeg immigrant who was originally convicted of six counts of aggravated sexual assault and sentenced to 14 years in prison for failing to disclose his illness to numerous partners. Four of those convictions were overturned by the Manitoba Court of Appeal, which found not everyone who had sex with Mabior was exposed to "significant risk."

Mabior was undergoing antiretroviral therapy and used condoms in a few of his encounters. None of his partners tested positive for HIV, the court noted.

Manitoba, in its appeal to the Supreme Court, is arguing that Mabior exposed each of his partners to the chance of infection.

"Certain acts are dangerous in and of themselves because they create the chance that someone could be hurt or killed," the province says in its submission. "It does not matter that the chance of this occurring is small — the law aims to stop people from taking that chance."

Provincial Crown attorneys acknowledge progress has been made in the fight against HIV, but say it is still an "incurable, life-altering potentially fatal disease" — and even if the odds of transmitting it are low, full disclosure is required.

"At best, it is still a life sentence. At worst, it is a death sentence," the submission says. "The choice whether to assume this risk must, it is respectfully submitted, lie with the person assuming the risk, not the person imposing it."

In the Quebec case, a woman carrying HIV met her partner in 2000 and did not disclose her illness the first time they had sex. After she told him, the two stayed together for four years and separated when she accused him of domestic violence. He then went to police and accused her of failing to disclose her illness.

She was found guilty of aggravated assault and sexual assault, but the convictions were overturned by Quebec's Court of Appeal. The court found the odds of transmission at the time were low. Crown prosecutors appealed to the Supreme Court.

"There is no real consent if the sexual partner is not informed of the HIV-positive status of the other," they say in their submission. "Having HIV is a sad diagnosis which brings constraints to the person who has it. The infected person must confront this illness with courage. It is utopian to think the infected person can have a sex life similar to that of someone who is not infected."

The Crown compared it to a parent's decision to vaccinate a child.

"The choice belongs to the person who assumes the risk."

But lawyers for Mabior and the Quebec woman, who cannot be named, both argue such a sweeping responsibility for disclosure unfairly strips those carrying HIV of their right to privacy. This could have a chilling effect which could "discourage people from being tested and treated for HIV and further endanger both themselves and the public," Mabior's lawyers argue in their submission.

Condom users or those who have a low enough viral load to make transmitting the disease unlikely should not be punished, they argue. Criminalizing everyone who has sex without disclosing their HIV would "open the floodgates" to ridiculous prosecutions.

"It will serve only to turn law abiding citizens into criminals regardless of their efforts to protect their partners by complying with public health advice on HIV prevention. Such a result would shock the community and serve only to further stigmatize the virus and anyone living with it."

Defence lawyers for the Quebec woman echo those arguments. They say Canada lags far behind other countries when it comes to HIV infections. The law is crying out for modernization and clarification of what constitutes "significant risk," they say.

"We submit that only the actual intentional transmission of the virus should be criminalized, as in most of the Commonwealth countries."

Organizations in Ontario and Quebec are planning events next week to raise awareness of the issue and to expose what they say are injustices in the current law.

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wolf 123
Cheering daily for the asteroid
10:01 AM on 02/06/2012
Telling someone about your health status is the right thing to do. It's decent, honest and moral. The same way that you should warn someone that you're carrying a cold before going on a simple date. It's really a no brainer.

That said, enshrining HIV disclosure in law perpetuates a stupid sense of false security which is at the base of continuing HIV infections.

The fact is, most people who are aware that they are hiv positive are also on anti-retrovirals and have virtually no detectable virus circulating in their bodily fluids. According to WHO studies, the odds of someone on anti-retroviral therapy passing along HIV is extremely low. People who DO NOT know their HIV status however, may have a viral load in the hundreds of thousands of copies per milliliter of blood just weeks after infection. The real danger of becoming infected with HIV is choosing to engage in unsafe sex based on the misguided notion that your partner is "ok".

The onus in preventing HIV transmission is educating people to this basic fact. As long as we allow the idea that someone's 3 month old test result means anything to your safety, we will continue to see people choose to take risks and get infected. Take responsibility for your own choices and learn to pay the piper who's tune you choose to follow. Period.
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Imma Okay
12:43 AM on 02/08/2012
Regardless of the risk, not telling someone that you have HIV is just wrong.
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wolf 123
Cheering daily for the asteroid
10:29 AM on 02/08/2012
I think you missed my point. I agreed disclosure was the way to go in my first paragraph. I'm just saying that disclosure doesn't really mean much in the big picture. The only disclosure which you can depend on is when a person discloses they are HIV positive, anything else is still a crap shoot.
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Add In Canadia
Egotism is a weakness
06:39 PM on 02/05/2012
If you know you have it, YES you should be telling other people; because other people could DIE from it.

It's not much different from any sort of hazards around in the world that people are responsible for if they do not give warning to the danger. It would be like leaving a manhole cover open and not putting cones around it. Sure the person working in the street knows about it, but not the people using the street normally.

Might be a common sense thing, but we have to ensure that people take responsibility for their actions (or inaction) or suffer the consequences.
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CarlyQ
Without followers, evil cannot spread.
05:01 PM on 02/05/2012
How can this even be up for debate?

People who are exposed unknowingly to HIV will not seek treatment for it until they begin to manifest symptoms of AIDS. By then, years will have been shaved off their lives, even with treatment. HIV treatment is much more effective the earlier the infection is caught - which means they need to be able to make informed decisions in the first place to take such risks.
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Harry Bradford
05:27 PM on 02/05/2012
You're right, CQ, it's a no-brainer.
04:51 PM on 02/05/2012
i'm HIV positive, and i believe that disclosure should be compulsory under law to each new sexual partner, as it is in Sweden. but i also believe that undetectable viral load at the moment of unprotected, undisclosed sex should mean immediate exoneration of any penal consequences. so many HIV-positive people have suffered unfairly the rigorous, stigmatizing trials of prosecution from spiteful, panicked sexual partners, who can only claim that they were exposed to HIV, much less infected. UNDETECTABLE = NO HIV RISK
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see-ellen2001
03:25 PM on 02/05/2012
Of course they must disclose! Even if protection is used, things break. The other partner needs to make an 'informed decision'. Telling people with HIV that they DON'T have to disclose is what will create the stigma.
03:16 PM on 02/05/2012
If you're_du.mb_enough to allow someone you hardly know inject their bodily fluids into you, no law can save you.
02:48 PM on 02/05/2012
I have a gun with six chambers for bullets。。。but I only put one bullet in。

Should I let people handle the gun without telling them that it is loaded?After all,only one of the chambers has a bullet。。。
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12:00 PM on 02/05/2012
"Certain acts are dangerous in and of themselves because they create the chance that someone could be hurt or killed," the province says in its submission. "It does not matter that the chance of this occurring is small — the law aims to stop people from taking that chance."

Driving, flying, biking, boating, swimming, rock climbing, skating, skiing, working, drinking, smoking... on and on and on and on... people die. Shouldn't stop them from living.

That being said... of course you should have to tell your sexual partner you have aids. I just thought that was a profoundly stupid quote.
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CanuckistanCommie
I ain't no Commie but Pat Buchanan thinks so!
02:40 PM on 02/05/2012
Driving, flying, biking et al carry risks that those partaking in it are aware. It is a decision that the person themselves has acknowledged is being a risk to their own person.
It is when someone puts someone else at risk is where the law needs to intervene.
We all drive and are at risk of getting killed or injured in an accident, but when there is intent to injure, or reckless driving that imperils someone else the law does step in.
This is no different.
Any person partaking in risky behavior must be given the information that they are at risk and be allowed to decide if they want to look past the potential consequences.
10:07 PM on 02/07/2012
25% of people living with HIV do not know their status. This law will encourage these people to continue "not knowing their status" and therefore infecting more people for as long as 10 years (amount of time you could go with no HIV symptoms). These people are the most infectious because they are not on medication to reduce their viral load to undetectable, yet they are exempt from this law. This law WILL NOT reduce HIV infections since it does not address the 25% of people living with HIV who do not know their status yet are the most infectious of them all.
11:50 AM on 02/05/2012
It should be mandatory to tell someone you are about to have sex with of all STDs you carry, not just HIV. If you are of low transmission risk, you can certainly disclose that as well. Yes it may kill the mood and slow things down, but perhaps many of us could stand to slow down and think through the potential consequences of our actions. If the risk is low the person exposing themselves to the risks deserves the chance to discuss this with their own doctor and make an informed choice. What benefit is there to hiding this? Beyond getting laid I cannot see the benefit. If people are trying to build a relationship, honesty will help and deceit will harm.
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11:30 AM on 02/05/2012
Unbelievable that this is even up for debate.
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Sofia Champion
The future is now.
11:24 AM on 02/05/2012
Yes, everyone should know whether or not they are risking contracting a potentially lethal virus from their sex partner. It might be embarrassing for the HIV-positive, but it is a necessary safety measure. Everyone with an STD should be honest with their partner.
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IRGrannyGoo
When it's hard to pray, pray hard.
08:51 AM on 02/05/2012
Okay, I'll be the first to post about this! I remember the day that it was mandatory if you were diagnosed with an STD, all your partners had to be informed that they had been exposed to the disease. If people are going to be so irresponsible as to go around exposing others to a very fatal illness, effectively killing them slowly, then yes, I think they should be punished. Just think about it...if it were YOU or YOUR child who was unwittingly being exposed to this disease, what would be more important...YOUR right to be informed or the carriers right to privacy? I can tell you from personal experience as a mother who's son is dying from AIDS...I really don't give a rats behind about the privacy of the person who has killed my son! I'm sorry, but I think we need to go back to the good of the nation, rather than the good of the individual. I bet the person who is now concerned with lack of privacy wishes that the person who infected them had disclosed their HIV status!
02:52 PM on 02/05/2012
David Horowitz of Frontpagemag has written about how during the early days of AIDS the gay community of San Franscisco was adamant that privacy prevail and they did everything they could to keep bathhouses open without any requirement for disclosure。Horowitz believes that the leaders of this gay community were,as a result,responsible for thousands of unnecessary deaths。
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IRGrannyGoo
When it's hard to pray, pray hard.
04:03 PM on 02/05/2012
Yes, I've read that history too. In the beginning AIDS an HIV was considered a "gay man's disease" and therefore some thought it was discriminatory to disclose AIDS. When I first bagan my nursing career, there was an AIDS unit in a facility here in the midwest. There was one patient that was determined to spread AIDS to as many people as he could before he died. We were helpless to do anything about it. I think if there were disclosure laws, maybe more unsuspecting people would be saved. Although HIV isn't the death sentence that it was years ago (due to new drugs), it is still killing so many, many people. This is no longer a "gay man's disease". It's passed to women who can pass it to their unborn children. It's passed to health care workers...it knows now social or economic boundaries.
09:45 PM on 02/07/2012
Yes, I wish the person who infected me had disclosed, but what if that person did not know their status? Most HIV transmissions today are from people who DO NOT KNOW their status (and consequently are not on drugs to reduce their viral load to undetectable). This law will simply encourage people to NOT get tested, allowing them to infect many people in the intrim because, hey, they didn't know. Once again, it's the people who do not know their status who pose the biggest risk, yet this law will have no effect on them. This law WILL NOT stop HIV transmission, in fact, it may increase it because fewer people will get tested.
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IRGrannyGoo
When it's hard to pray, pray hard.
12:56 AM on 02/08/2012
I'm so sorry that you also are infected. I hope that your health is good? What do you think the answer would be? Because something has got to stop the spread of this horrible disease.